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Replying To cavanman47:  "That's the bit that no Dublin poster can close the circle on!

They claim they've been successful in a competitive era where standards are higher than ever, and yet they've scraped past a Mayo team who failed to win Connaught and drew with Derry and Cork in the same championship.

Mayo stumbled to the all ireland finals of 16 and 17 and were still a match for Dublin.
Kerry were definitely in transition in 2015 and came within a score of Dublin without showing up for that final.
If any team other than Dublin had won the 2018 all ireland, they'd probably be labelled the worst team to ever win it.
2019 Kerry are showing signs of a very promising young team, but even drawing the 1st final was a huge shock as they've a long way to go to become the finished article.


The Celtic comparison is relevant here again. The current Celtic team will win 10 in a row in all likelihood. They are by far and away a pale pale shadow of previous Celtic teams who couldn't manage the same feat.

Good achievements on paper aren't always what they seem."
Yet Dublin are 37 games unbeaten in the championship. That's not just a good achievement, it's likely to never be surpassed. That's something that some people just don't get, for some reason.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/12/2019 14:43:12    2255159

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yet Dublin are 37 games unbeaten in the championship. That's not just a good achievement, it's likely to never be surpassed. That's something that some people just don't get, for some reason."
The flip side is of course. Say Dublin regress this year under new management, very possible and probably likely.

Say Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry or Mayo win next year are they only really winners because Dublin changed their management team?

Did they really win because they were the best team or did they win because Dublin abdicated and changed their set up and hit reboot.

That ? will always linger for the next winner, its a tough position to be in.

*Wouldnt say Mayo would give a flyer mind.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/12/2019 15:01:42    2255160

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Replying To Joxer:  "You can only beat what's in front of ye and the fact that this Mayo team made the latter stages several years in the decade speaks volumes about them does it not?"
Which would you prefer, if you were from Mayo, to get to one final in a decade and to win it, or to get to 3 or 4 finals and to lose them all? It's all about winning and bragging about it afterwards, unfortunately, as is clearly shown on this forum by you know who!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 16/12/2019 17:42:49    2255183

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Teams that are hugely successful are always envied and vilified. It is Dublin now and was Kilkenny. If Limerick had won again this year it was coming also. Signs of it were to see. In fairness to Dublin I believe they handle themselves with diploma. Disappointedly Kilkenny let themselves down this year after the game and then continuing on to appeal a blatant red card.
The best teams win because they have the best players and play the best. Dublin and Kilkenny are the best history has given us. I do agree that resources help. Like money and this should be addressed. Either the same funding is available for all teams or else blow the lid off it and go pro where the the richest are strongest. Talking up amateurism while allowing money influence success is typical of the talk (and action) we get from both sides of the mouth from Gaa brass.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/12/2019 17:48:35    2255185

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Replying To baire:  "Which would you prefer, if you were from Mayo, to get to one final in a decade and to win it, or to get to 3 or 4 finals and to lose them all? It's all about winning and bragging about it afterwards, unfortunately, as is clearly shown on this forum by you know who!"
Of course this debate is not about winning, we're discussing quality of opposition here. I rest my case.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/12/2019 18:41:48    2255198

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Replying To Joxer:  "Of course this debate is not about winning, we're discussing quality of opposition here. I rest my case."
Not discussing about winning? Really! So this 5 in a row had nothing to do with winning! Nothing to do with bragging and getting the better of Kerry! Not at all, how naive of me to think such thoughts! All about quality, another hand pass there, please!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 16/12/2019 20:10:24    2255213

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Replying To TheUsername:  "The flip side is of course. Say Dublin regress this year under new management, very possible and probably likely.

Say Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry or Mayo win next year are they only really winners because Dublin changed their management team?

Did they really win because they were the best team or did they win because Dublin abdicated and changed their set up and hit reboot.

That ? will always linger for the next winner, its a tough position to be in.

*Wouldnt say Mayo would give a flyer mind."
And if dublin win? Will it be the greatest championship ever?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/12/2019 20:10:52    2255214

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yet Dublin are 37 games unbeaten in the championship. That's not just a good achievement, it's likely to never be surpassed. That's something that some people just don't get, for some reason."
Why is it likely to never be surpassed??

Because this lull, from Kerry in transition, tyrone far past their best, mayo mentally weak, etc. is unlikely to be repeated?

Dublin have taken advantage of a poor era and fair play to them for it. But you simply can't dismiss the fact that they've peaked while all major rivals have troughed.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 16/12/2019 21:10:14    2255223

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I dont think anyo other county has a period of dominance against so many high profile high quality counties then Dublin in this era, if you compared to prob the next kerry from 78-82 runs, there just isnt a comparison in term sof opposition and quality, the Kerry 4 in a row, hasn't aged well in terms of achievement, 19 games unbeaten for 4 in a row and to get to a final to try for the 5th, Dublin currently on a 37 game unbeaten run to do a modern day 5..


Dublin 2011:

Loais
Kildare
Wexford
Tyrone
Donegal
Kerry

2013
Westmeath
Kildare
Meath
Cork
Kerry
Mayo

2015
Longford
Kildare
Westmeath
Fermanagh
Mayo
Mayo R
Kerry

2016
Loais
Meath
Wesmeath
Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Mayo R

2017
Carlow
Westmeath
Kildare
Monaghan
Tyrone
Mayo

2018

Wicklow
Longford
Laois
Donegal
Tyrone
Roscommon
Galway
Tyrone

2019
Louth
Kildare
Meath
Cork
Roscommon
Tyrone
Mayo
Kerry
Kerry R

Dont think any county can get near a sniff of that country wide dominance with such a mix of counties in it over such a long period of time, nor a record breaking 37 game unbeaten run in the championship with the first senior 5 in a row and history made."
Kerry beat (hammered in fact) one of the all time great Dublin teams.

Dublin didn't play against an all time great team this decade.

Were kerry as good as they were in the 00s?
Were Tyrone?
Have Mayo convinced anyone that they are capable of getting past that mental block in an all ireland final?
A donegal team who hadn't won an ulster championship game in 4 years won an all ireland, taking Dublin's crown, after 18months under a good manager. Beat them again 2 years later and lost to an average Kerry.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 16/12/2019 21:17:32    2255224

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Replying To baire:  "Not discussing about winning? Really! So this 5 in a row had nothing to do with winning! Nothing to do with bragging and getting the better of Kerry! Not at all, how naive of me to think such thoughts! All about quality, another hand pass there, please!"
Have to say for a supposed Galway man you have an awful grá for the Kingdom. Anyway, yes if you bothered to read my posts they concerned the debate over the quality of Dublin's opposition since 2011. The claim was that Dublin only bet Kerry teams that were "in transition", a Tyrone team that was a spent force, a poor Mayo team. No mention of Donegal of course as that doesn't suit the WUM narrative. So yes the debate was about quality of opposition not winning. Do keep up!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/12/2019 21:22:21    2255225

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "And if dublin win? Will it be the greatest championship ever?"
Only if we beat you again.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/12/2019 21:23:21    2255227

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Replying To Joxer:  "Only if we beat you again."
Are we playing ye in crokepark again so?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/12/2019 22:04:10    2255237

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Why is it likely to never be surpassed??

Because this lull, from Kerry in transition, tyrone far past their best, mayo mentally weak, etc. is unlikely to be repeated?

Dublin have taken advantage of a poor era and fair play to them for it. But you simply can't dismiss the fact that they've peaked while all major rivals have troughed."
Mayo mentally weak? Don't think that can be leveled at this team since 2011. Are you saying Mayo should have beaten Dublin cause the whole country has been saying we weren't good enough....no forwards etc...

The 2 own goals game was surreal but nothing to do with mentality.

Dublin didnt win any all Ireland easy that's for sure. Hi

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 16/12/2019 22:05:02    2255238

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Replying To baire:  "Not discussing about winning? Really! So this 5 in a row had nothing to do with winning! Nothing to do with bragging and getting the better of Kerry! Not at all, how naive of me to think such thoughts! All about quality, another hand pass there, please!"
Sure we beat Mayo and Donegal and Tyrone in this supposed great period of Gaelic football and that was a poor Kerry team compared to our team of the 00s.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/12/2019 22:09:51    2255241

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Kerry beat (hammered in fact) one of the all time great Dublin teams.

Dublin didn't play against an all time great team this decade.

Were kerry as good as they were in the 00s?
Were Tyrone?
Have Mayo convinced anyone that they are capable of getting past that mental block in an all ireland final?
A donegal team who hadn't won an ulster championship game in 4 years won an all ireland, taking Dublin's crown, after 18months under a good manager. Beat them again 2 years later and lost to an average Kerry."
Dublin hammered the Kerry 4 in row team the year before in 77.

I think without Dublin this era, both Tyrone and Kerry were returning the same no of All Ireland's as they did in the 00s. The bar was raised pure and simple. I don't really think the Kerry team of the 00s was a great team, they had some wonderful players, the Gooch, O Sullivan, a few quality players and some gap fillers. They never got over the line against Tyrone and won All Ireland's they should have really dodging opposition and beating teams they should have really

Tyrone had some really good players, a new system and way of playing, they deserved to win a couple of All Ireland's but we're inconsistent and I think looking back the were probably the team of the decade and should have won more.

Dublin bet the vast majority of both teams both in 10/11. Before a decade of just utterly dominating everyone from every province and accounting for every county of note, except Down really.

The argument you are trying to make is everyone has been terrible at football for a decade, which is a bit silly really, when you frame it like that.

It's a simple game, when you beat everyone, nobody else looks good.

Anyhow, it's our time rest, it will be a long time and likely many a lifetime for anyone gets close to Matching the Decade of the Dubs.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/12/2019 22:11:26    2255242

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Dublin hammered the Kerry 4 in row team the year before in 77.

I think without Dublin this era, both Tyrone and Kerry were returning the same no of All Ireland's as they did in the 00s. The bar was raised pure and simple. I don't really think the Kerry team of the 00s was a great team, they had some wonderful players, the Gooch, O Sullivan, a few quality players and some gap fillers. They never got over the line against Tyrone and won All Ireland's they should have really dodging opposition and beating teams they should have really

Tyrone had some really good players, a new system and way of playing, they deserved to win a couple of All Ireland's but we're inconsistent and I think looking back the were probably the team of the decade and should have won more.

Dublin bet the vast majority of both teams both in 10/11. Before a decade of just utterly dominating everyone from every province and accounting for every county of note, except Down really.

The argument you are trying to make is everyone has been terrible at football for a decade, which is a bit silly really, when you frame it like that.

It's a simple game, when you beat everyone, nobody else looks good.

Anyhow, it's our time rest, it will be a long time and likely many a lifetime for anyone gets close to Matching the Decade of the Dubs."
So Tyrone and Kerry are at the same level as the previous decade but Dublin have simply raised the bar? If that is what you are claiming it is so delusional that I don't really know what to say to you.

Who are the fillers on that Kerry team of the 00's? The O'Se's, Moynihan, Donaghy, Galvin, Murphy? Can you name even one?

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 16/12/2019 22:39:10    2255244

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Replying To Joxer:  "Have to say for a supposed Galway man you have an awful grá for the Kingdom. Anyway, yes if you bothered to read my posts they concerned the debate over the quality of Dublin's opposition since 2011. The claim was that Dublin only bet Kerry teams that were "in transition", a Tyrone team that was a spent force, a poor Mayo team. No mention of Donegal of course as that doesn't suit the WUM narrative. So yes the debate was about quality of opposition not winning. Do keep up!"
The title of the thread is as above, I think you'll find all sorts of rants raised on this particular thread including your own 'quality' issue. You might want to keep up! I'm not a 'supposed' Galway man nor a wum but I'll say this much about Kerry when they were winning 4 and 3 in a rows, they went about their business quietly and did their talking on the field. Granted the Dublin players and their ex-manager are similar in nature but the same can't be said about a few of their supporters here and I'm not referring to you.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 16/12/2019 22:51:51    2255246

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Kerry and Tyrone were the big winners in the noughties but I don't think Kerry could be marked out as a truly great side as they never could beat their arch rivals that decade.
Tyrone had their number in every final and but for their inconsistency would surely have won more.
The fact that there's a debate as to who was the team of the noughties is enough.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 17/12/2019 07:32:34    2255268

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Kerry and Tyrone were the big winners in the noughties but I don't think Kerry could be marked out as a truly great side as they never could beat their arch rivals that decade.
Tyrone had their number in every final and but for their inconsistency would surely have won more.
The fact that there's a debate as to who was the team of the noughties is enough."
That's true we didn't beat Tyrone in the 00s and I have no problem with them being the team of that decade , we had great battles and were very evenly matched as were cork in the latter stages and Galway and Armagh in the early stages of the decade , there was lots of teams that could beat eachother including Derry and Monaghan had a few good years.

Monaghan could have beat us twice.

The 00s were a great decade and the 90s better again.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/12/2019 09:52:27    2255291

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Kerry and Tyrone were the big winners in the noughties but I don't think Kerry could be marked out as a truly great side as they never could beat their arch rivals that decade.
Tyrone had their number in every final and but for their inconsistency would surely have won more.
The fact that there's a debate as to who was the team of the noughties is enough."
Yeah that's probably fair. I don't think there was much between them but Kerry just couldn't adapt and game plan around Tyrones counter attacking system at the time.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 17/12/2019 10:16:37    2255294

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