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Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1138 - 26/02/2024 10:26:20    2528236

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Replying To Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 26/02/2024 18:58:15    2528457

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Replying To Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
If that same site was in Dublin, it would be built the size of Croker if need be. The only restrictions on the Casement site have been political ones ie unionist politicians who will stop at nothing to see anything belonging to the GAA being trampled down and kept quiet. They did the same with the Maze site too. They even had the audacity to question public spending on the stadium while they've been sat on their a*se letting the north rot like Casement for years! If they had only kept their word years ago the cost would've been a fraction of what's it's going to be, they are the reason for all this turmoil. The location was, and is, perfectly capable.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2445 - 27/02/2024 05:07:23    2528526

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I'm in favour of it - and I'm an hour from Belfast.
Belfast and Ulster needs a stadium .
Belfast is the second city in Ireland with no real gas infrastructure.

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1684 - 27/02/2024 09:42:30    2528546

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Direct bus/glider route into city centre on Casements door step. Train station not too far a walk also.

Just of the M1 so direct access to a motorway.

Where does everyone park when going to Ravenhill, Windsor, Croke Park?

Casement is literally in an ideal location for a provincial stadium

upandwin (Down) - Posts: 112 - 27/02/2024 10:38:38    2528561

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Replying To upandwin:  "Direct bus/glider route into city centre on Casements door step. Train station not too far a walk also.

Just of the M1 so direct access to a motorway.

Where does everyone park when going to Ravenhill, Windsor, Croke Park?

Casement is literally in an ideal location for a provincial stadium"
Yeah i literally don't get it. the area will absorb it and the links are there and can also be upgraded easily. And like some are proposing Clones instead. like jeez, for multiple reasons it won't work, but it's location and links are absolutely terrible

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 27/02/2024 11:24:01    2528573

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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "
Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "[quote=GaryMc82:  "This current Casement project the biggest White Elephant in the history of the GAA (Projected to run over £240stg / €280 million), more than double the price of Pairc Ui Chaoimh (€96m) with 10,000 less capacity (Pairc Ui Chaoimh - 45000 capacity, New Casement = 34578, Clones = 36000).

Project Justification
- Nationalists in West Belfast get a GAA Stadium to rival Unionist Sport Stadiums in East Belfast.
- Sinn Fein and SDLP get to claim they made it happen, when in reality the original 2023 Rugby World Cup triggered the British Government to explore it as an investment opportunity.
- Belfast has shopping, airports and hotels - things fans from Donegal, Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan, Cavan, Armagh, Fermanagh etc all really need on Ulster Championship match days.
- Can hold concerts in Belfast for various Pop, Hip Hop, Country, Rock etc events.
- British Government are paying money towards it.
- Antrim and Ulster GAA gets a top class stadium to rival other Provinces.

NOTE: Interestingly of all the justifications put forward over the last 10 years or more, needs of GAA fans who will most regularly be using it have been ignored, not even part of the considerations.

Issues
- They build in a cramped site in West Belfast with insufficient parking to cater for crowds in excess of 30,000.
- Stadium capacity is limited to a lower capacity than Clones, as there is no room for a bigger Stadium on this site.
- Many Fans will have to use Park & Ride facilities from 10+ miles outside Belfast for big games.
- It doesn't solve the 1.5 - 2 hour journey faced by many fans to Clones, many fans in Donegal, Fermanagh and Cavan will still face this or 1.5 hour minimum.

If this Stadium is likely to cost >£200 million and raising that money is a problem, did anybody consider revisiting the design and see what kind of stadium could be built for £110 million? How much did the main stand in Armagh's Athletic ground cost? Imagine multiplying that style of stand around the 4 sides of Casement?

I suspect a top class Antrim GAA stadium could be built on the Casement Park site for £100 million, which is miles better than anything we currently have in Ulster at present, simply cut out all of the nonsense."
Isn't Clones limited to 28k these days?"
It has been significantly reduced in the last 7 or 8 years, ever since Casement was mooted. It is as a result of a deliberate decision by the Ulster Council to downgrade the facilities in Clones. If the capacity was as it should be, close to its previous capacity of 36,500, people would question the need for Casement to be built in the first place. A very small spend would bring the capacity back up. Half a million would build an awful lot of toilets, and there is ample space surrounding the grounds for extension of facilities.

Most Ulster Gaels don't mind having to go to Clones for a big match, but the same numbers wouldn't go there for a concert. Therein lies the problem."]Have you been to Clones recently as either a player , mentor or spectator. Clones has a great atmosphere but it's well past its sell by date -
Clones as a town and surrounding area - struggles with attendances of over 15,000 - it's a nightmare getting in and a nightmare getting out of the town . It's easier going to Croke Park , park and walk to the ground , than clones .
Belfast has the bus , train , glider network to facilitate supporters .
We need a modern new facility in Belfast . Will it be a white elephant- no because attendances in Ulster ( 9 counties ) is very good .
We should all support the rebuilding of Casement - only 100 mins from Dublin - with good road network.

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1684 - 27/02/2024 13:09:58    2528606

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "
Replying To Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1138 - 27/02/2024 13:20:05    2528611

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Talking to some people who very live close to Casement and they think that building this Stadium to host Ulster finals, concerts etc is madness, they say the location can't accommodate the traffic and there is no parking capacity there either.
This Stadium should have been built out in Lisburn at the old Maze site, ample parking and a straight forward site to get to.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2896 - 27/02/2024 13:43:30    2528623

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Replying To Commodore:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way."]I can't see why we'd need another if Casement is done. Ulster does not need a 40k+ stadium, as much as we might like to tell ourselves. Clones is filled to 29k maybe twice a year. A 34k casement is more than enough for what we need right now. Don't see why we would maybe get that, then decide to look for a 40k stadium elsewhere. casement works, has sufficient links, and once done I cannot see the GAA sanctioning any otehr stadium considering how PUC went when they have Semple stadium in Munster already

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 27/02/2024 13:57:26    2528627

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "
Replying To Commodore:  "[quote=Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way."]I can't see why we'd need another if Casement is done. Ulster does not need a 40k+ stadium, as much as we might like to tell ourselves. Clones is filled to 29k maybe twice a year. A 34k casement is more than enough for what we need right now. Don't see why we would maybe get that, then decide to look for a 40k stadium elsewhere. casement works, has sufficient links, and once done I cannot see the GAA sanctioning any otehr stadium considering how PUC went when they have Semple stadium in Munster already"]The whole Casemant thing is a waste of money. Imagine what could be done, by both the Government and the GAA with the millions being wasted. There is sufficient capacity in Clones and it is much more central.
Who really cares about a few Soccer matches between obscure teams in one international tournament. It will come and go. look the mess left as a result f an unnecessary Pairc Ui caoimh.

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 317 - 27/02/2024 14:33:50    2528641

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Ireland needs to have municipal stadiums like they have in Scandinavia. Building these stadiums and rarely filling them is silly.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2780 - 27/02/2024 14:33:56    2528642

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Talking to some people who very live close to Casement and they think that building this Stadium to host Ulster finals, concerts etc is madness, they say the location can't accommodate the traffic and there is no parking capacity there either.
This Stadium should have been built out in Lisburn at the old Maze site, ample parking and a straight forward site to get to."
I know a lot of people that live around Casement. Never heard that from any of them. The only ones that might say it are the handful of non GAA ones who are looking compensated for buying a house next to a stadium. Enough said on them.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2445 - 27/02/2024 14:35:56    2528643

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "
Replying To Commodore:  "[quote=Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way."]I can't see why we'd need another if Casement is done. Ulster does not need a 40k+ stadium, as much as we might like to tell ourselves. Clones is filled to 29k maybe twice a year. A 34k casement is more than enough for what we need right now. Don't see why we would maybe get that, then decide to look for a 40k stadium elsewhere. casement works, has sufficient links, and once done I cannot see the GAA sanctioning any otehr stadium considering how PUC went when they have Semple stadium in Munster already"]Does Munster need four 40000K plus stadia viz Cork,Limerick,Thurles and Kilarney.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1095 - 27/02/2024 15:04:13    2528652

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I know a lot of people that live around Casement. Never heard that from any of them. The only ones that might say it are the handful of non GAA ones who are looking compensated for buying a house next to a stadium. Enough said on them."
The people I was speaking to are GAA supporters and they aren't looking for any compensation either, they are just talking about it as they see it and they see it as a bad idea.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2896 - 27/02/2024 15:44:50    2528666

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Replying To gunman:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "[quote=Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way."]I can't see why we'd need another if Casement is done. Ulster does not need a 40k+ stadium, as much as we might like to tell ourselves. Clones is filled to 29k maybe twice a year. A 34k casement is more than enough for what we need right now. Don't see why we would maybe get that, then decide to look for a 40k stadium elsewhere. casement works, has sufficient links, and once done I cannot see the GAA sanctioning any otehr stadium considering how PUC went when they have Semple stadium in Munster already"]Does Munster need four 40000K plus stadia viz Cork,Limerick,Thurles and Kilarney."]Don't believe so. So learn from that and don't need more in Ulster. rather make the one flagship one work

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 27/02/2024 15:53:03    2528669

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Replying To Commodore:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Commodore:  "Well said Gary. I am in favour of a modern stadium for Ulster GAA, and if that is in Belfast, then so be it. But I am opposed to Casement, because it's not the answer. Its a terrible location, too cramped, in a residential area, where there will be a defecit in atmosphere.

I'm reading every day about the possible development of Old Trafford. Whatever they decide, new stadium or refurb, they have so much space around it, and the plans are in conjunction with Manchester Council to develop the whole area, with hotels, bars, restaurants, public travel and all the ancillary services.

I feel this is a chance missed, and a we are building the right stadium in the wrong location.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 521 - 23/02/2024 14:14:06 252


I would be in favour of Casement getting refurbed into a decent Inter-county ground for Antrim GAA, similar to Armagh's Athletics grounds or bigger, but I agree Casement Site is not suitable as Provincial ground due to the site limitations/restrictions."
Where is suitable then?"
I support redeveloping Casement Park into a top GAA stadium, Antrim GAA deserve a fine stadium and its a shame that Casement was left to rot for so many years, the longer it drags on the prices will keep going up, so I think they need to build something soon,

Ulster needs a big Stadium that can hold >40k people like the other Provinces all have, the only existing GAA ground with sufficient space surrounding it to build large stands and that is roughly central in Ulster would be Healy Park in Omagh. Outside of that it would be a green field site somewhere to accommodate that size of crowd, as other grounds like Armagh's Athletics Ground, which is already a fine stadium, don't seem to have the space for expansion around them and Breffni Park in Cavan is too out of the way."]I have often thought that Magherafelt was a good place for a stadium. O'Donovan Rossa Magherafelt's ground was the county ground for Derry until the 1970s. It is the centre of Northern Ireland. It is a pity Derry's centre of excellence wasn't built there but they make South Derry players travel up to Owenbeg.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 232 - 27/02/2024 17:34:08    2528695

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"It is the Centre of Northern Ireland" - you do realise this is a GAA forum. You were spouting in a previous post about southerners having partitionist views.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 301 - 27/02/2024 18:02:37    2528703

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