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Replying To Fairplayalways: "Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.." It is ridiculous that cards carry over from one competition (league) to another (championship), crazy stupid loophole
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Replying To arock: "It is ridiculous that cards carry over from one competition (league) to another (championship), crazy stupid loophole" Why ?
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Delighted he plays
Beat them at their best, only way to do it
Disgrace if he missed it after 3 stupid black cards anyways
Dumb rule
Bring it on
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 16/08/2019 16:13:51
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "In reply to all above, thanks for your input, some are saying "no rules are being broken"...to that end that doesnt mean its fair or correct, former prominetnt political party embroiled in tribunals used to trot out that line "no law/rules were broken" but that still doesnt mean you go and do it.. infairness I remember the black card he got V meath and it was very harsh I thought, but this ould mullarkey of not being able to appeal until 3 are accumulated!!...every black card should be appealed within one week if the player judged it to be unfair...one poster may have shown up the unfairnes by pointing out that by hauling down the Tyrone player O'Brien was taking his chances with appealing the Meath one..I dont know, a simple fix would be only appeal the most recent black card (if you want) that would make players seriously consider then, and if the appeal fails, even for the first offence, an automatic one match ban for the next game applies...it would need propper sorting but some thing like that..appealing a card given 2 games ago only because it gets him out of jeopardy now is very very wrong..." Will you stop embarrassing yourself with this rubbish. The card was appealed in accordance with the rules set up by the gaa i.e. black cards can only be appealed after a suspension has incurred. The black card against Meath was correctly revoked.
For the people saying why wasn't there uproar like Sean Cavanagh tackle. No 1 there was no black card at that time, the black card was introduced as a direct result of that cynical tackle. O'Brien' s tackle was cynical and if it happened a few years back like Cavanagh's there would of being uproar. The difference is he was punished for it with a black card. The black card in the Meath game was never a black card and rightly rescinded so i dont see the problem. As for the Tyrone poster (M.McC) saying it denied Tyrone a goal scoring chance come off it, it was out a long the sideline.
Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 16/08/2019 16:14:07
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Right or wrong, it was still a black card by the rules as set out i.e. a deliberate body collide. I hadn't seen the incident in the Meath game til there now but had first read O'Briens own assertion:
"I think the black card in the Meath game was very harsh," O'Brien said. "I was running off the ball and it was an accidental head clash, so we'll be certainly looking to appeal that one".
He did get the bit right that he was running off the ball but it wasn't accidental and therefore not a harsh decision as it was deliberate. You can see O'Brien actually speed up and drop the shoulder before he makes contact with the Meath player.
But look, it's par for the course now that the GAA will always overturn these types of decisions to enable players to play in Finals or the likes. Well, always depending on where your County sits in the greater scheme of the GAA pyramid." That's true. One law for smaller counties, different standard for bigger teams,.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 16/08/2019 16:20:20
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "Will you stop embarrassing yourself with this rubbish. The card was appealed in accordance with the rules set up by the gaa i.e. black cards can only be appealed after a suspension has incurred. The black card against Meath was correctly revoked.
For the people saying why wasn't there uproar like Sean Cavanagh tackle. No 1 there was no black card at that time, the black card was introduced as a direct result of that cynical tackle. O'Brien' s tackle was cynical and if it happened a few years back like Cavanagh's there would of being uproar. The difference is he was punished for it with a black card. The black card in the Meath game was never a black card and rightly rescinded so i dont see the problem. As for the Tyrone poster (M.McC) saying it denied Tyrone a goal scoring chance come off it, it was out a long the sideline." Again with this false accusation about Sean Cavanaghs tackle leading to the implementation of the black card.
I am no fan of Sean Cavanagh but that claim is just not true!!
The black card had been ratified before Sean Cavanagh made that tackle.
Also O'Brians pull down was not on the sideline. Just think before making up lies. We can all clearly watch it again to prove you wrong.
It was a cynical foul to prevent a goal scoring chance. Kerry are as bad and worse than most counties for this type of behaviour.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 16/08/2019 16:58:24
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "Will you stop embarrassing yourself with this rubbish. The card was appealed in accordance with the rules set up by the gaa i.e. black cards can only be appealed after a suspension has incurred. The black card against Meath was correctly revoked.
For the people saying why wasn't there uproar like Sean Cavanagh tackle. No 1 there was no black card at that time, the black card was introduced as a direct result of that cynical tackle. O'Brien' s tackle was cynical and if it happened a few years back like Cavanagh's there would of being uproar. The difference is he was punished for it with a black card. The black card in the Meath game was never a black card and rightly rescinded so i dont see the problem. As for the Tyrone poster (M.McC) saying it denied Tyrone a goal scoring chance come off it, it was out a long the sideline." not embarrassing myself at all, and its rubbish, its called open debate, we know the rules are the rules, doesn t mean they are always correct, and debate and discussion in general can propel propper examination by the powers that be, just because you dont agree with the debate theres no need to try and ridicule me or other contributors to silence the dissent...I could go on but I wont..not worth it...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/08/2019 17:12:55
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Replying To Wally: "Again with this false accusation about Sean Cavanaghs tackle leading to the implementation of the black card.
I am no fan of Sean Cavanagh but that claim is just not true!!
The black card had been ratified before Sean Cavanagh made that tackle.
Also O'Brians pull down was not on the sideline. Just think before making up lies. We can all clearly watch it again to prove you wrong.
It was a cynical foul to prevent a goal scoring chance. Kerry are as bad and worse than most counties for this type of behaviour." Well the foul wasn't near the goals and it wasn't a goal scoring chance. Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled McManus and this had a big influence on the introduction of the black card. Cant believe you as a Tyrone man are saying you're not a fan of Cavanagh. He's one of the all time greats and one of my favourites. He was consistently brilliant for 10-15 years
Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 16/08/2019 17:37:06
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Replying To Wally: "Stephen O'Brien is a great footballer but you can forget about him being a man.
Joe Brolly should have completely lost the plot on the Sunday game. McAliskey was through on goal and got pulled down in the most cynical and disgraceful way.
The black card was brought in to punish these sorts of actions from these sorts of players." What game were you watching he was 25 meters out from goal on the wing
RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 16/08/2019 17:40:00
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Your issue here should be with the gaa and their rules not Kerry. This thread could have been started anytime over the last few years about black card suspensions and the rules
reithi (Kerry) - Posts: 52 - 16/08/2019 18:07:42
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Replying To lionofludesch: "Why ?" Because League is effectively a pre season tournament. It's played at a slower pace than Championship. Players are still trying to get up to top fitness and the weather is generally a lot worse and pitches heavier.
I would actually say two black cards in championship should be enough to miss the next game, if they are legitimate.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 16/08/2019 18:53:01
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "Well the foul wasn't near the goals and it wasn't a goal scoring chance. Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled McManus and this had a big influence on the introduction of the black card. Cant believe you as a Tyrone man are saying you're not a fan of Cavanagh. He's one of the all time greats and one of my favourites. He was consistently brilliant for 10-15 years" You're absolutely right. He was on the 21 towards the sideline and would have had to do something frankly we have never seen the lad do or look like doing before to score a goal. I think Wally is suffering from a case of sour grapes.
And actually Wally, the black card rule was a direct result of the Cavanagh rugby tackle and the uproar that followed. If it was discussed before, the talk was definitely accelerated and ratified after.
The current Tyrone team are missing a Seam Cavanagh. It simply doesn't have any star players that can do something special. Kerry have a few, which ultimately was the difference. The black card incident had no baring on the result.
If Wally feels O'Brien is a poor show of a man for the incident, he must hate 90% of his own county team because let's fave it, they are probably the most cynical team in Ireland. That being said I don't blame them for that. They want to win matches, but don't play the hard done by. It's hypocritical in the extreme.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 16/08/2019 19:04:22
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "Well the foul wasn't near the goals and it wasn't a goal scoring chance. Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled McManus and this had a big influence on the introduction of the black card. Cant believe you as a Tyrone man are saying you're not a fan of Cavanagh. He's one of the all time greats and one of my favourites. He was consistently brilliant for 10-15 years" So if this happened out along the sideline and wasn't a goal scoring chance as you say, then can you suggest a reason why SOB might have committed the foul?
Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 16/08/2019 19:08:17
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "Well the foul wasn't near the goals and it wasn't a goal scoring chance. Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled McManus and this had a big influence on the introduction of the black card. Cant believe you as a Tyrone man are saying you're not a fan of Cavanagh. He's one of the all time greats and one of my favourites. He was consistently brilliant for 10-15 years" The lad had turned his man and was running through on goal. It wasn't clear cut but it was definitely a chance and was clearly cynical in the extreme. It was a typical Kerry foul.
No. The black card had been introduced before Sean Cavanaghs tackle on McManus. Just because you repeat yourself does not make it anymore true.
Yes I am not a fan of Sean Cavanagh. Not everyone bases their opinion of someone on how they perform on a inter county football field.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 16/08/2019 19:58:08
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Right or wrong, it was still a black card by the rules as set out i.e. a deliberate body collide. I hadn't seen the incident in the Meath game til there now but had first read O'Briens own assertion:
"I think the black card in the Meath game was very harsh," O'Brien said. "I was running off the ball and it was an accidental head clash, so we'll be certainly looking to appeal that one".
He did get the bit right that he was running off the ball but it wasn't accidental and therefore not a harsh decision as it was deliberate. You can see O'Brien actually speed up and drop the shoulder before he makes contact with the Meath player.
But look, it's par for the course now that the GAA will always overturn these types of decisions to enable players to play in Finals or the likes. Well, always depending on where your County sits in the greater scheme of the GAA pyramid." Agreed
O brien claiming it was an accidental head clash is BS.
He ran a blocking line (from American football - where Donnie Buckley gets a lot of his tactical innovations).
GAA always let a fella off for an All Ireland.
He should be let off because of the stupid rule that cards from the league carry into championship. That's just wrong
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 16/08/2019 20:58:29
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Replying To Wally: "The lad had turned his man and was running through on goal. It wasn't clear cut but it was definitely a chance and was clearly cynical in the extreme. It was a typical Kerry foul.
No. The black card had been introduced before Sean Cavanaghs tackle on McManus. Just because you repeat yourself does not make it anymore true.
Yes I am not a fan of Sean Cavanagh. Not everyone bases their opinion of someone on how they perform on a inter county football field." Sean Cavanagh's tackle happened in 2013 and black card was introduced in 2014 so you're wrong. There might have been whispers of it but after that rugby tackle, it sealed the deal. You can keep repeating this "goal chance" but you're the only one that thinks this and maybe a few more about Tyrone . He had a fair way to go before he was through on goal and plenty in front to stop him, hardly denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. Maybe you know more about Sean Cavanagh then I do
Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 16/08/2019 21:41:56
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Delighted he plays
Beat them at their best, only way to do it
Disgrace if he missed it after 3 stupid black cards anyways
Dumb rule
Bring it on" We won't disappoint you Liam don't worry....
traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 16/08/2019 22:38:04
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "In reply to all above, thanks for your input, some are saying "no rules are being broken"...to that end that doesnt mean its fair or correct, former prominetnt political party embroiled in tribunals used to trot out that line "no law/rules were broken" but that still doesnt mean you go and do it.. infairness I remember the black card he got V meath and it was very harsh I thought, but this ould mullarkey of not being able to appeal until 3 are accumulated!!...every black card should be appealed within one week if the player judged it to be unfair...one poster may have shown up the unfairnes by pointing out that by hauling down the Tyrone player O'Brien was taking his chances with appealing the Meath one..I dont know, a simple fix would be only appeal the most recent black card (if you want) that would make players seriously consider then, and if the appeal fails, even for the first offence, an automatic one match ban for the next game applies...it would need propper sorting but some thing like that..appealing a card given 2 games ago only because it gets him out of jeopardy now is very very wrong..." The rules are the rules,you can't appeal until after the third black card, plain and simple,it's to stop countless appeal's after each black card, Stephen O'Brien's black card shouldn't of been given against Meath,that's why he won his appeal,it's very simple.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 16/08/2019 23:29:51
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Replying To Wally: "The lad had turned his man and was running through on goal. It wasn't clear cut but it was definitely a chance and was clearly cynical in the extreme. It was a typical Kerry foul.
No. The black card had been introduced before Sean Cavanaghs tackle on McManus. Just because you repeat yourself does not make it anymore true.
Yes I am not a fan of Sean Cavanagh. Not everyone bases their opinion of someone on how they perform on a inter county football field." If that was true then why didn't he get a black card? You're just plain wrong. Cavanagh pulled down McManus and then they made the black card a rule. Keep saying otherwise does not make you right either bud.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 17/08/2019 00:09:48
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: " Replying To Wally: "The lad had turned his man and was running through on goal. It wasn't clear cut but it was definitely a chance and was clearly cynical in the extreme. It was a typical Kerry foul.
No. The black card had been introduced before Sean Cavanaghs tackle on McManus. Just because you repeat yourself does not make it anymore true.
Yes I am not a fan of Sean Cavanagh. Not everyone bases their opinion of someone on how they perform on a inter county football field." Sean Cavanagh's tackle happened in 2013 and black card was introduced in 2014 so you're wrong. There might have been whispers of it but after that rugby tackle, it sealed the deal. You can keep repeating this "goal chance" but you're the only one that thinks this and maybe a few more about Tyrone . He had a fair way to go before he was through on goal and plenty in front to stop him, hardly denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. Maybe you know more about Sean Cavanagh then I do"
GAA Congress approved the black card proposal in March 2013 with a scheduled introduction of January 2014. Sean Cavanaghs tackle on McManus happened in August 2013 which was after it had been ratified by Congress the previous March.
So you are wrong. And constantly repeating yourself will not change that.
Now if you have read any of my previous posts you will know that I have always deplored cynical behaviour either by Tyrone or the opposition. And this does not stop at Kerry who I have learned over the years are much worse than most at the dark arts.
Also McAliskey did have the opportunity for goal but he did still have a lot of work to do. But that opportunity was robbed from him by the disgraceful actions of O'Brian.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 17/08/2019 07:53:20
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