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Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/08/2019 10:03:50 2226273 Link
Think he was right to try. But they should drop refereeing complaints as the system clearly isn't against them. A great player and needed if Kerry stand a chance, but frequently walks the line in games. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 16/08/2019 10:19:52 2226282 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.." I think you can only appeal after the third card. steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 16/08/2019 10:24:07 2226286 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.." You are correct on one thing, you have it wrong. To clarify, you may only appeal a black card once you accumulate 3 black cards and are deemed suspended. It is to reduce the number of appeals as it does not affect anyone on one or two cards. That's why Peter Harte appealed once he accumulated 3 black cards even though it was obvious that his black cards, in my opinion, were harsh. Otherwise we would have a shocking amount of appeals after each game. CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 63 - 16/08/2019 10:24:49 2226287 Link
Has any rule been broken, no, Kerry just exercising their rights within the rule, dont see an issue really, would have zero problem with it myself. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/08/2019 10:34:47 2226296 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.." You can't appeal the cards as you get them. The appeal can only be lodged once you get a third card and are facing suspension. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 16/08/2019 10:35:42 2226297 Link
Farcial set up should be a limit of a week to appeal black cards. He would not have appealed only he got the one v tyrine so in effect he was confident dragging the lad down he had a get out of jail card. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 16/08/2019 10:42:17 2226301 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "Is it me, have Kerry "ONLY" appealed Stephen O'Brien (is that his name) black card "ONLY" because its a card picked up against Meath (2 games ago if you dont mind) and because he picked up another last Sunday against Tyrone which made him automatically suspended for the All Ireland, so Kerry come out now and appeal a card which happened in a game 2 matches ago to make him available for the All Ireland..surely thats not on, if the card received in the Meath game 2 games ago was deemed unfair, it should have been appealed straight after that game (especially when they won and had more games to come)...appealing it now to free him for the AI is not on in my book and shouldnt be allowed...its ala carte acceptance of refereeing decisions...maybe I have it wrong but I just dont think its on appealing it now because it suits Kerry to have the player.." Maybe you should look up the rules before setting up a thread, just a suggestion. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7900 - 16/08/2019 11:02:12 2226307 Link
Kerry perfectly within the rules and thankfully so as the card he picked up against Meath was ludicrous jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 16/08/2019 11:20:54 2226316 Link
Stephen O'Brien is a great footballer but you can forget about him being a man. Joe Brolly should have completely lost the plot on the Sunday game. McAliskey was through on goal and got pulled down in the most cynical and disgraceful way. The black card was brought in to punish these sorts of actions from these sorts of players. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 16/08/2019 11:32:01 2226329 Link
Right or wrong, it was still a black card by the rules as set out i.e. a deliberate body collide. I hadn't seen the incident in the Meath game til there now but had first read O'Briens own assertion: "I think the black card in the Meath game was very harsh," O'Brien said. "I was running off the ball and it was an accidental head clash, so we'll be certainly looking to appeal that one". He did get the bit right that he was running off the ball but it wasn't accidental and therefore not a harsh decision as it was deliberate. You can see O'Brien actually speed up and drop the shoulder before he makes contact with the Meath player. But look, it's par for the course now that the GAA will always overturn these types of decisions to enable players to play in Finals or the likes. Well, always depending on where your County sits in the greater scheme of the GAA pyramid. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/08/2019 11:44:25 2226337 Link
Replying To Wally: "Stephen O'Brien is a great footballer but you can forget about him being a man. Joe Brolly should have completely lost the plot on the Sunday game. McAliskey was through on goal and got pulled down in the most cynical and disgraceful way. The black card was brought in to punish these sorts of actions from these sorts of players." Spot on but then Joe picks his targets carefully seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 16/08/2019 11:52:21 2226340 Link
The reason in my opinion that Kerry ( or any County ) did not appeal the 2nd black card v Meath at the time is it would be far more likely to be upheld by the GAA when no suspension would arise at the time... It is easier to put pressure on them when a player is about to miss a big match and therefore they are likely to cave in...which is what usually happens with the GAA.. Having said that I am glad O Brien is free to play in the Final...those black cards are a joke and do nothing for the game only cause controversy all the time...!! Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 16/08/2019 12:10:22 2226351 Link
In reply to all above, thanks for your input, some are saying "no rules are being broken"...to that end that doesnt mean its fair or correct, former prominetnt political party embroiled in tribunals used to trot out that line "no law/rules were broken" but that still doesnt mean you go and do it.. infairness I remember the black card he got V meath and it was very harsh I thought, but this ould mullarkey of not being able to appeal until 3 are accumulated!!...every black card should be appealed within one week if the player judged it to be unfair...one poster may have shown up the unfairnes by pointing out that by hauling down the Tyrone player O'Brien was taking his chances with appealing the Meath one..I dont know, a simple fix would be only appeal the most recent black card (if you want) that would make players seriously consider then, and if the appeal fails, even for the first offence, an automatic one match ban for the next game applies...it would need propper sorting but some thing like that..appealing a card given 2 games ago only because it gets him out of jeopardy now is very very wrong... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/08/2019 13:10:33 2226388 Link
Replying To Sean.66: "The reason in my opinion that Kerry ( or any County ) did not appeal the 2nd black card v Meath at the time is it would be far more likely to be upheld by the GAA when no suspension would arise at the time... It is easier to put pressure on them when a player is about to miss a big match and therefore they are likely to cave in...which is what usually happens with the GAA.. Having said that I am glad O Brien is free to play in the Final...those black cards are a joke and do nothing for the game only cause controversy all the time...!!" Wrong, by rule you can't appeal until 3 black cards have been issued..Kerry could not appeal 2nd yellow after the Meath game. jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 16/08/2019 14:03:02 2226409 Link
Replying To Wally: "Stephen O'Brien is a great footballer but you can forget about him being a man. Joe Brolly should have completely lost the plot on the Sunday game. McAliskey was through on goal and got pulled down in the most cynical and disgraceful way. The black card was brought in to punish these sorts of actions from these sorts of players." Wally Steven did get punished and he got a black card and he left the field what more could be done ? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/08/2019 14:15:49 2226411 Link
Replying To jacktheDub: "Wrong, by rule you can't appeal until 3 black cards have been issued..Kerry could not appeal 2nd yellow after the Meath game." Thanks for that.... I did not know this was a rule...seems strange but then again it's the GAA we are dealing with here..! Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 16/08/2019 14:16:31 2226412 Link
Replying To Wally: "Stephen O'Brien is a great footballer but you can forget about him being a man. Joe Brolly should have completely lost the plot on the Sunday game. McAliskey was through on goal and got pulled down in the most cynical and disgraceful way. The black card was brought in to punish these sorts of actions from these sorts of players." I think you're stretching it a bit to say he was through on goal. I actually thought at the time O'Brien was silly to do it as he still had a long way to go to threaten a goal. I also think you are being very blinkered by blaming O'Brien for the foul. I doubt there is a single Tyrone player that wouldn't have done the same thing in a reversed position. Tyrone are definitely not whiter than white when it comes to the more cynical side of the game. It's ironic that they came a cropper to it really and probably karma. Anyway, I don't blame the players, Cavanagh against Monaghan included. It's the rules or punishment for the offence that needs looking at. I think 2 black cards in the same competition should be enough for a suspension. I don't think they should carry league matches into championship though. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 16/08/2019 14:27:34 2226417 Link
Is this three-black-cards-before-you-can-appeal rule too complicated to understand or what ? Seems very straightforward to me. O'Brien didn't appeal the Meath black card at thed time because he couldn't. Them's the rules. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 16/08/2019 15:20:51 2226443 Link
Replying To lionofludesch: "Is this three-black-cards-before-you-can-appeal rule too complicated to understand or what ? Seems very straightforward to me. O'Brien didn't appeal the Meath black card at thed time because he couldn't. Them's the rules." its very straight forward but not fair...if it was deemed unfair at the time, the rule should be to appeal then, not 2 games on "when the cap fits so to speak"...why isnt he appealing the 1st black card he got??..is there a lesser chance of that being over turned?..probably is, so they choose the one they think will be overturned, at a time that happens to suit them..not right dont care how its put....hope Kerry win by the way:) Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/08/2019 15:49:30 2226456 Link