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If letting a fella away with deliberately elbowing another player in the chin just so you can "restore order to the game" then we have a serious problem with the game, Nobody should be allowed basically assault just so order can be restored to the game.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 20/08/2019 10:02:00 2227788 Link 0 |
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"Strike or attempt to strike with arm, ELBOW, hand or knee" is a red card offence. It's there in the rulebook crystal clear for all to see before you start quoting agendas etc.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 20/08/2019 10:17:26 2227795 Link 0 |
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The rule is there in black and white about strike/attempted strike with the elbow......take your bearing for a change and show some grace.....ye got away with it enough down through the years when ye were allowed bend the rules of the game to suit your own style of play All this sh@te about no tactics etc as well ffs TJ Reid was back closing the space in the Tipp half forward line throughout the first half, if Waterford, cork, Limerick did that you would have Tyrell etc bemoaning 'tactics' ruining hurling KK had a golden era , fair play to them......that era has now ended and things are more even .....that's good for the game as us teams like Tipp, Limerick etc winning all Irelands playing open, expansive hurling and mixing it with a tactical nous.... PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 20/08/2019 10:30:03 2227802 Link 4 |
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It's not letting a player away with anything, it is the ref getting control back on the game. He let both teams away with blatant yellows in the first 30 minutes and then all of a sudden decides to apply the rules to the full letter of the law. There was far worse challenges throughout the year not punished with a red. Buckley elbow against Limerick, shoulder to Hogan's head against Cork. Both incidents were far worse. In my opinion, had the ref been applying the rules from the off then nobody would have said a word about the red because the marker would of been laid down early. The above is exactly why two referee's won't work in hurling. Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 20/08/2019 10:38:03 2227807 Link 2 |
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Just yesterday you were whining about 2007 yet again and on the eve of the All Ireland final you had current Limerick players whinging about a missed deflection from a line ball that Limerick should never have been awarded in the first place and he you are, completely lacking self awareness, in agreement that Kilkenny should get over it and just move on Maybe try your own medicine? And it's "hear hear" by the way Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 20/08/2019 10:57:55 2227814 Link 0 |
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You're missing my point. PaudSull claimed Bill Cooper's shoulder charge into Richie Hogan's head in the QF was NOT a red card offence because Cooper "didn't raise his elbow". I said the rulebook doesn't specify "RAISED elbow" as the deciding factor for a red card. Like you said, it's "arm, elbow, hand or knee". Using that logic, Cooper should have got a red card in that game too (same ref ironically enough).
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/08/2019 11:02:11 2227816 Link 1 |
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As another poster said if the red card was so harsh then why isn't Hogan or Kilkenny looking to get it rescinded. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/08/2019 11:10:10 2227819 Link 1 |
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As per my response to saffron don, you're missing my point. You claimed Bill Cooper's shoulder charge into Richie Hogan's head in the QF was NOT a red card offence because Cooper "didn't raise his elbow". I said the rulebook doesn't specify "RAISED elbow" as the deciding factor for a red card. It's "arm, elbow, hand or knee". Using that logic, Cooper should have got a red card in that game too (same ref ironically enough). Forget the match Sunday or what Jackie Tyrell did or didn't say or what blade of grass TJ Reid was on, just answer this question: do you think a shoulder charge to the head is a red card offence? ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/08/2019 11:10:48 2227820 Link 1 |
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It's long past time to congratulate Tipp,, show some good grace, stop the whinge and move on. Mayfair (Galway) - Posts: 65 - 20/08/2019 11:15:08 2227822 Link 3 |
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Ballydalane your posts and contributions are usually worth reading but you need to let this Richie Hogan red card go. Big decisions by players and refs have major impact on matches. Richie made his decision in a split second and paid the price. The ref made his in a cool manner, consulted his linesman and made the correct call. 14 men had an impact on the game but in my opinion after Kilkenny had a vice like grip on the game for the 1st quarter ( as they did against Limerick ) Tipp had opened the game up in the 2nd quarter and looked good for the win without the sending off.
Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 20/08/2019 11:34:56 2227828 Link 3 |
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https://youtu.be/y2CICV0tr5s old yellar (None) - Posts: 2625 - 20/08/2019 11:55:47 2227835 Link 0 |
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I've said it umpteen times on this thread that Richie Hogan's tackle was a red card offence and he was stupid to do it. I think any KK fans, players, management or pundits who are saying it wasn't a red are completely wrong. My issue is with the inconsistent application of punishments for head high tackles. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/08/2019 11:57:35 2227836 Link 0 |
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I posted my congratulations to Tipp on this very thread as soon as I got home on Sunday evening. One of the best teams of all time and one of the best managers of all time.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/08/2019 12:01:13 2227837 Link 1 |
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My issue is with the inconsistent application of punishments for head high tackles. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/08/2019 12:13:05 2227842 Link 0 |
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Doesnt look like you meant it because you have spent the last 48 hours crying about the red card and referee
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 20/08/2019 12:13:07 2227843 Link 2 |
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It was the second time in a row that Hogan went hard in on Barrett only the first time he missed Barrett's sidestep. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/08/2019 12:15:46 2227846 Link 0 |
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Please stop it -it was a sideline ball. Please do not be so myopic. I have it on good authority from a stout Kilkenny hurling man that Paul Murphy put the ball out. He was close to the incident and saw it. Your also constantly suggesting than Limerick players are constantly trying to get other players put off. Another absurdity. When was any opposition player put off against Limerick. I suppose you will tell us next that no KK player ever bought a free.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 20/08/2019 12:51:16 2227853 Link 0 |
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You're at nothing. They don't read what you type. They take what they want from your posts, not what you have stated.
Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 20/08/2019 12:54:05 2227854 Link 1 |
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I think you are spot on. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 20/08/2019 12:57:13 2227857 Link 2 |
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I'm on record numerous times on this thread as saying the red card was the correct decision and the fault lays squarely with Richie Hogan.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/08/2019 13:06:14 2227862 Link 0 |