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Replying To greysoil: "I think that the main point of the issue is being missed here. This isn't 'Nah Nah Nah Nah, my team is better than your team' play ground stuff. This really is about our game & the future of it and the passing on of the rich tradition to future generations. It is about massive collective pride that supporters feel as they head to Gaelic Grounds around the island to watch their team. It It is about that sense of place & a tradition so uniquely Irish. An amateurism and a raw authenticity that is rarely seen in other sports today. The issue is about equity, plain and simple. A strategic review is needed now as to how resources are allocated. If Dublin didn't win a game in the past 10 years. how resources are allocated is still wrong. I hope that Horan does get the numbers analysed, and does so with an independent reviewer - unfortunately I am not confident that this will happen & as we have seen many times, numbers can support any chosen narrative. We need a different approach or we will lose something incredibly special." Excellent post, well said. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/07/2019 18:20:50 2207202 Link
Replying To greysoil: "You definitely in PR - repeating the same message & hoping it sticks. As I said in my post, numbers can support any argument & frankly I am weary of your purposely misleading per head numbers Seamus." I just understand what I'm talking about, not read click bait articles and make assumptions. There from audited accounts and the census, they are the sources. They aren't misleading you can check them yourself. James Horan, spoke of the per capris distribution this week. You open your heart up there two posts ago and played the victim card, it's unfortunate, out of all counties you happen to be from Monaghan. In a different set of numbers, you can take Ewen figures of 18 mill since 2007 and accumulate the population over the same period, 16 odd million by the way, the ratio is 1. 11 cent, per head. Still less then Monaghan. The only demographic that has Dublin doped is the registered player demographic, that is flawed because the money is to attract players to games not fund existing, but also highlights Dublin has a registered playing population of 39k, from a population 1.39mill, the greatest evidence of Ned for GDF, to be honest our is to low. I also hope the GDF is analyzed by an independent authority, I think we can feel prettty comfortable to be honest, I'd be shifting in my seat if I was from Monaghan though. I'd like a report published also. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/07/2019 18:21:51 2207204 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "You better hope not, it could be argued that Monaghan are totally financially doped. If you are making an argument about finance = success, then the relative success of Monaghan under Malachi O Rourke and recent minor success can be attributed to one of the highest GDF to population ratio out there. Just to be clear I'm not saying it is, simply pointing that by the premise of your argument, we can discount any real authenticity from Monaghans relative achievements, those unique atmospheres you describe experienced by a financial leg up. If Monaghan was to have equity with Dublin there GDF would be halved and likely back in Div 3 were they started. Breakdown of GDF, per head of population: Monaghan GDF 124.000, Population of Monaghan 60.483 = 2.05 per head. Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head. Kerry GDF 197.600 euro, population of Kerry 147.000, ratio = 1.34 euro per head. Mayo GDF 134.29 euro, population of Mayo, 130.5k, ratio = 1.02 euro per head. Tyrone GDF 119.000 euro, population 177.9k = 66 cent per head Galway GDF 184.4k euro, population 258.0k = 71cent per head. Donegal GDF 130.2k euro, population 159.1k = 81 cent per head. Kildare GDF 341.3k euro, population 222.5k = 1.53 euro per head Roscommon GDF, 146k euro, population 66.5k = 2.2 euro per head. Cork GDF, 249k euro, population 542k = 45 cent per head. Meath GDF, 367.4k, population 195.0 = 1.88 euro per head."" Did you not go to portlaois today? Great supporters ye are. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/07/2019 18:23:44 2207208 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "I just understand what I'm talking about, not read click bait articles and make assumptions. There from audited accounts and the census, they are the sources. They aren't misleading you can check them yourself. James Horan, spoke of the per capris distribution this week. You open your heart up there two posts ago and played the victim card, it's unfortunate, out of all counties you happen to be from Monaghan. In a different set of numbers, you can take Ewen figures of 18 mill since 2007 and accumulate the population over the same period, 16 odd million by the way, the ratio is 1. 11 cent, per head. Still less then Monaghan. The only demographic that has Dublin doped is the registered player demographic, that is flawed because the money is to attract players to games not fund existing, but also highlights Dublin has a registered playing population of 39k, from a population 1.39mill, the greatest evidence of Ned for GDF, to be honest our is to low. I also hope the GDF is analyzed by an independent authority, I think we can feel prettty comfortable to be honest, I'd be shifting in my seat if I was from Monaghan though. I'd like a report published also." Not sure how you perceived victimhood in my post? But again, deflect the conversation if you wish. I did not mention Monaghan. I care about the game & the future of it. I assume if I was from Galway, Donegal, Wicklow or Wexford you have a similar prepared bespoke response? Dublin GAA are fortunate to have 'VOLUNTEERS ' like yourself to roll out the narrative. greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 07/07/2019 18:44:51 2207235 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Excellent post, well said." Was it really though ? superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 07/07/2019 18:53:47 2207246 Link
Replying To greysoil: "Not sure how you perceived victimhood in my post? But again, deflect the conversation if you wish. I did not mention Monaghan. I care about the game & the future of it. I assume if I was from Galway, Donegal, Wicklow or Wexford you have a similar prepared bespoke response? Dublin GAA are fortunate to have 'VOLUNTEERS ' like yourself to roll out the narrative." You projected a bipartisan narrative of fairness, unfairness and equity in your post. Dublin in one side and everyone else on the other, you then want into reference the very life blood of the game and objectivity in the game in question. You posted in narrative with zero evidence. I just don't agree with what you posted, I also find the premise of your opinion hypocritical given your county of origin and the funding model they enjoy. Your not a victim, in fact a major benificory. For me that undermines the validly of your projection. You also poorly use the word deflection, here, I've explained my reasoning coming from many models including Dublin's most ire-some critic, I'm very open minded to the debate, but lads just venting because they are regressing at football is boring. Yes, definitely I can pull figures from most counties to be honest with you, I've looked into it, in detail. On volunteerism, thanks, we take great pride in having a voluntary core to our Gaelic games the envy of the country. I'm very proud of it. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/07/2019 19:13:41 2207270 Link
25 likes for the original poster. That must be a hoganstand record? 25 likes and 4 dislikes. Sounds like the scoreline from the Leinster final :D Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 07/07/2019 20:19:04 2207340 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "25 likes for the original poster. That must be a hoganstand record? 25 likes and 4 dislikes. Sounds like the scoreline from the Leinster final :D" Nah, there was a guy from Laois here recently who got 30 and 40 likes everytime he posted. But much like the OP he had lots and lots of different logins & was rumbled and left. No doubt he is still hanging around in some form or other. lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 07/07/2019 20:38:33 2207369 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "Nah, there was a guy from Laois here recently who got 30 and 40 likes everytime he posted. But much like the OP he had lots and lots of different logins & was rumbled and left. No doubt he is still hanging around in some form or other." Hi, there is no need to be disrespectful. I have only one login thank you very much. I live an active and healthy lifestyle thank God. I happen to respect the rural challenge. The Ulster and Connaught championships were fantastic. Kerry were given two tough away games. Clare though they were defeated by Meath and Cork who have made the Super 8s have shown that they are no mugs. Two teams from each provincial championship have made the Super 8s. The elephant in the room is the gap between the rural chasers and the professional setup behind the capital. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 07/07/2019 21:29:12 2207416 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Hi, there is no need to be disrespectful. I have only one login thank you very much. I live an active and healthy lifestyle thank God. I happen to respect the rural challenge. The Ulster and Connaught championships were fantastic. Kerry were given two tough away games. Clare though they were defeated by Meath and Cork who have made the Super 8s have shown that they are no mugs. Two teams from each provincial championship have made the Super 8s. The elephant in the room is the gap between the rural chasers and the professional setup behind the capital." I thought the Leinster Hurling championship was terrific, oh wait you are from Kerry, so you are half a GAA man. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 07/07/2019 21:35:30 2207426 Link
Replying To arock: "I thought the Leinster Hurling championship was terrific, oh wait you are from Kerry, so you are half a GAA man." The McDonagh Cup was terrific as well. Kerry maintained their McDonagh status. The McDonagh champions have qualified for the All-Ireland quarter-finals! ;) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 07/07/2019 22:30:45 2207479 Link
Roscommon v Tyrone in Dr. Hyde Park, Donegal v Meath in Ballybofey and Kerry v Mayo in Killarney showed that the State Aid Free Championship is in good health. The three games had great atmosphere. State Aid's dominance is the elephant in the room. It is similar to professional English women dominating an amateur Six Nations. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 16/07/2019 21:53:09 2212105 Link
Awww Someone's looking for attention bless your ickle socks jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 16/07/2019 22:04:32 2212109 Link
You really do have a thing for the English rugby girls....3 mentions on this thread alone. CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 16/07/2019 22:05:13 2212110 Link
Replying To CornAghais91: "You really do have a thing for the English rugby girls....3 mentions on this thread alone." Should you really be counting? neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/07/2019 22:37:50 2212121 Link
Bumping your own thread. The baby wants his bottle. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/07/2019 22:40:58 2212122 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Roscommon v Tyrone in Dr. Hyde Park, Donegal v Meath in Ballybofey and Kerry v Mayo in Killarney showed that the State Aid Free Championship is in good health. The three games had great atmosphere. State Aid's dominance is the elephant in the room. It is similar to professional English women dominating an amateur Six Nations." I see you've stoped banging on about conlon and the Russian. Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 17/07/2019 06:15:17 2212177 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Awww Someone's looking for attention bless your ickle socks" Ah hello! The three matches played in provincial grounds are very relevant to this thread. Gaelic Football is in a healthy state in the counties who have not received state aid. Everyone is understandably being judged in how they compare to State Aid and whether they can trouble them or not. Should we be heavily critical of Ireland's amateur women's rugby team for losing to the professionals from England? Before Ireland played England this year, the Ireland manager said the English had two arms and two legs like the rest of us! Professional advantages seem difficult for some people to understand. Money does buy success. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 17/07/2019 09:34:04 2212210 Link
Replying To CornAghais91: "You really do have a thing for the English rugby girls....3 mentions on this thread alone." It's the best example that I am aware of. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 17/07/2019 09:35:16 2212211 Link
Replying To Monkeycatcher: "I see you've stoped banging on about conlon and the Russian." Professional English women dominating an amateur Six Nations is a better example. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 17/07/2019 09:39:27 2212215 Link