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Are Kilkenny now 4th In Leinster?

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A bad Kilkenny team without Cody would still be top 4 or 5 in Ireland with the conveyor belt of talent that always comes through the schools' system alone.

With Cody at the helm, they will always be a contender for the All-Ireland.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/05/2019 19:13:36    2182359

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Replying To rhudson:  "Is it not time for kerry hurlers to be in munster
then you have 6 teams
that means 3 games a week
in leinster add another team offaly/ westmaeth or laois
also have 6 teams 3 games a week"
I'd expect tumbleweed response to that question

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 07/05/2019 22:49:17    2182387

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Replying To rhudson:  "Is it not time for kerry hurlers to be in munster
then you have 6 teams
that means 3 games a week
in leinster add another team offaly/ westmaeth or laois
also have 6 teams 3 games a week"
Ide be happy to let Kerry in if they want to especially if it facilitates an extra team in Leinster where im sure there are quite a few who would jump at the chance.

But i feel Kerry first need to win a few Joe McDonaghs first to get the debate going in the wider public

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 07/05/2019 23:21:08    2182395

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "A bad Kilkenny team without Cody would still be top 4 or 5 in Ireland with the conveyor belt of talent that always comes through the schools' system alone.

With Cody at the helm, they will always be a contender for the All-Ireland."
They're no more of a contender than Tipp are currently. Let's face it, neither counties are in the top 5 at the min and are certainly not all ireland contenders. Not a chance.

KK will be back and quite soon too but not contenders in 2019.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/05/2019 00:44:43    2182399

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I would be equally as dismissive of Offaly. The leinster Championship should have a max of 2 coming out of it,the finalists. That would still leave a good team in Munster missing out."
Would that have been your opinion when limerick were rubbish , or did you only get a sense of self importance last September

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/05/2019 09:08:59    2182415

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Would that have been your opinion when limerick were rubbish , or did you only get a sense of self importance last September"
Yes Im pretty sure it would have still been my opinion. When Limerick were 'rubbish' is about the same level that would still see them still qualify in the top 3 in Leinster right now. And it's got nothing in particular to do with Limerick or whatever county. I'm comparing the collective strengths of the two provinces.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/05/2019 10:27:13    2182426

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Replying To tiobraid:  "They're no more of a contender than Tipp are currently. Let's face it, neither counties are in the top 5 at the min and are certainly not all ireland contenders. Not a chance.

KK will be back and quite soon too but not contenders in 2019."
KK as well as Tipp are capable of beating any team on their day. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're certainly not contenders. There's very little between most of the top 8, which is a great state of affairs.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 08/05/2019 10:32:31    2182427

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With all the injuries KK have they are 4th in Leinster,the players coming on the team dont have the experience of playing at the top level,they will still give it their best and will give a good account of themselves.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 534 - 08/05/2019 10:36:15    2182428

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yes Im pretty sure it would have still been my opinion. When Limerick were 'rubbish' is about the same level that would still see them still qualify in the top 3 in Leinster right now. And it's got nothing in particular to do with Limerick or whatever county. I'm comparing the collective strengths of the two provinces."
This current format was completely wanted by the Munster counties.
Don't forget that.
If you want to talk championship restructure, I'm sure the whole of Leinster will be all ears.
But if you think there should be 4 matches for each team to eliminate 1 team you are living in cuckoo land. If you really think this, hang on and I'll bring you some cake so you can both have it and eat it.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 08/05/2019 11:10:32    2182436

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "This current format was completely wanted by the Munster counties.
Don't forget that.
If you want to talk championship restructure, I'm sure the whole of Leinster will be all ears.
But if you think there should be 4 matches for each team to eliminate 1 team you are living in cuckoo land. If you really think this, hang on and I'll bring you some cake so you can both have it and eat it."
StoreysTash
The fellow from Limerick should just be ignored.
Like ourselves they have won one all Ireland in 40+ years. Waterford have won none.
The bare statistics don't lie.
Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp are the powerhouses of championship hurling. The lesser counties usually only get all Ireland's when the big three are not at their strongest or when for a brief period they have an exceptional group of players.
Historically there has been very little in standard between the Munster and Leinster teams.
Our friend highlighted the number of all Ireland finals Limerick got to since 1973. He failed to mention who beat them.....no doubt he will be busy on Google now

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 08/05/2019 12:48:56    2182460

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Replying To Ej:  "StoreysTash
The fellow from Limerick should just be ignored.
Like ourselves they have won one all Ireland in 40+ years. Waterford have won none.
The bare statistics don't lie.
Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp are the powerhouses of championship hurling. The lesser counties usually only get all Ireland's when the big three are not at their strongest or when for a brief period they have an exceptional group of players.
Historically there has been very little in standard between the Munster and Leinster teams.
Our friend highlighted the number of all Ireland finals Limerick got to since 1973. He failed to mention who beat them.....no doubt he will be busy on Google now"
You have just belittled the achievements of the fine Wexford teams of 1910,'55,56','60, '68 and '96. How very sad.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4338 - 08/05/2019 13:42:27    2182477

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Replying To Ej:  "StoreysTash
The fellow from Limerick should just be ignored.
Like ourselves they have won one all Ireland in 40+ years. Waterford have won none.
The bare statistics don't lie.
Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp are the powerhouses of championship hurling. The lesser counties usually only get all Ireland's when the big three are not at their strongest or when for a brief period they have an exceptional group of players.
Historically there has been very little in standard between the Munster and Leinster teams.
Our friend highlighted the number of all Ireland finals Limerick got to since 1973. He failed to mention who beat them.....no doubt he will be busy on Google now"
I suppose the next thing you will be telling is that the four in a row Wexford team victories from 1912 to 1918 were all only an 'auld' flash in the pan

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4338 - 08/05/2019 13:45:19    2182478

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Replying To Ej:  "StoreysTash
The fellow from Limerick should just be ignored.
Like ourselves they have won one all Ireland in 40+ years. Waterford have won none.
The bare statistics don't lie.
Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp are the powerhouses of championship hurling. The lesser counties usually only get all Ireland's when the big three are not at their strongest or when for a brief period they have an exceptional group of players.
Historically there has been very little in standard between the Munster and Leinster teams.
Our friend highlighted the number of all Ireland finals Limerick got to since 1973. He failed to mention who beat them.....no doubt he will be busy on Google now"
Ignore the Wexford poster guys. Hes a wum or just plain rude. We shouldn't get personal EJ. I respect your opinion. You think Leinster hurling is and always has been the equal of Munster. That's fine . Kilkenny could certainly be shown as an example of that. I would use the same Kilkenny to be the anomaly that proves the rule. Cork , Tipperary and Kilkenny certainly have been the best since the 1940s. What I would argue is that Limericks 18 Munster championship wins would be about 30 in Leinster and instead of 8 senior All Irelands they'd have about 15 to 20 in Leinster . Again if Wexford were in Munster you could knock off half their Leinsters and therefore half their All Irelands.
Google the All Ireland under 21 winners for the last 20 years . Those cold statistics tell a tale. Wexford extremely 'strong' under 21s in Leinster were spanked outside of the province.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/05/2019 14:07:40    2182486

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a discussion about kilkenny and where they are in leinster has discussed
- championship structures
- limericks record
- wexfords record
- wexfords u21 record
- wexfords undeserved victory in 96
- Galways involvement in munster
- wexfords 4 in a row 1915-1918.

the admin on boards would have ended this tit for tat ages ago, ended the irrelevant posting, and said "get back on topic"

anyone from Limerick/wexford care to offer anything relevant to the original post?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 08/05/2019 15:34:25    2182513

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Kilkenny will win this years Leinster Championship. No doubt.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 08/05/2019 15:38:16    2182517

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Ignore the Wexford poster guys. Hes a wum or just plain rude. We shouldn't get personal EJ. I respect your opinion. You think Leinster hurling is and always has been the equal of Munster. That's fine . Kilkenny could certainly be shown as an example of that. I would use the same Kilkenny to be the anomaly that proves the rule. Cork , Tipperary and Kilkenny certainly have been the best since the 1940s. What I would argue is that Limericks 18 Munster championship wins would be about 30 in Leinster and instead of 8 senior All Irelands they'd have about 15 to 20 in Leinster . Again if Wexford were in Munster you could knock off half their Leinsters and therefore half their All Irelands.
Google the All Ireland under 21 winners for the last 20 years . Those cold statistics tell a tale. Wexford extremely 'strong' under 21s in Leinster were spanked outside of the province."
That's the second time you've brought up the U21 argument? I don't get it at all. Nobody from Wexford has said anything about U21? Whats your point??? That U21 success automatically results in Senior success?? Bit rich considering Limericks record........

Can the post be kept to reasonable arguments about the upcoming Championship instead of bringing up ridiculous arguments from the past.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 08/05/2019 15:43:16    2182519

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Replying To perfect10:  "a discussion about kilkenny and where they are in leinster has discussed
- championship structures
- limericks record
- wexfords record
- wexfords u21 record
- wexfords undeserved victory in 96
- Galways involvement in munster
- wexfords 4 in a row 1915-1918.

the admin on boards would have ended this tit for tat ages ago, ended the irrelevant posting, and said "get back on topic"

anyone from Limerick/wexford care to offer anything relevant to the original post?"
Probably the most sensible post on here in a while. The way these forums disintegrate into nonsense is unreal.

I think Kilkenny will struggle a lot more than they've done in a long time but they still have serious quality..

I'll be very surprised if they don't make it out of Leinster...
Cannings injury and the cats walking wounded will make Leinster very competitive.
Looking forward to it as a neutral.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 08/05/2019 15:59:25    2182524

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Replying To tiobraid:  "They're no more of a contender than Tipp are currently. Let's face it, neither counties are in the top 5 at the min and are certainly not all ireland contenders. Not a chance.

KK will be back and quite soon too but not contenders in 2019."
All will be revealed very soon Thiobraid. I didn't realise how many players they have out injured until I saw the news about Holden.

The trick is to survive Leinster and regroup after that with players back from injury. The games against Dublin this week and Wexford in Wexford are crucial.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 08/05/2019 16:03:52    2182527

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Ignore the Wexford poster guys. Hes a wum or just plain rude. We shouldn't get personal EJ. I respect your opinion. You think Leinster hurling is and always has been the equal of Munster. That's fine . Kilkenny could certainly be shown as an example of that. I would use the same Kilkenny to be the anomaly that proves the rule. Cork , Tipperary and Kilkenny certainly have been the best since the 1940s. What I would argue is that Limericks 18 Munster championship wins would be about 30 in Leinster and instead of 8 senior All Irelands they'd have about 15 to 20 in Leinster . Again if Wexford were in Munster you could knock off half their Leinsters and therefore half their All Irelands.
Google the All Ireland under 21 winners for the last 20 years . Those cold statistics tell a tale. Wexford extremely 'strong' under 21s in Leinster were spanked outside of the province."
No I'm not being rude. I just highlighted the weakness in your belief that Munster hurling is and has always been far superior to Leinster hurling.
Did you Google who beat Limerick in all those finals?

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 08/05/2019 16:12:58    2182536

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Replying To perfect10:  "a discussion about kilkenny and where they are in leinster has discussed
- championship structures
- limericks record
- wexfords record
- wexfords u21 record
- wexfords undeserved victory in 96
- Galways involvement in munster
- wexfords 4 in a row 1915-1918.

the admin on boards would have ended this tit for tat ages ago, ended the irrelevant posting, and said "get back on topic"

anyone from Limerick/wexford care to offer anything relevant to the original post?"
What was the original post? It is all so long ago and the debate has now absolutely nothing with whatever the original question was. Anyway dealing with that first issue would be quite boring and I think it of some significance that hardly anybody from 'Catland' contributed to this 'perfectly rational debate'.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4338 - 08/05/2019 16:49:10    2182547

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