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Are Kilkenny now 4th In Leinster?

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Replying To Breezy:  "I was the clown he was referring to. For suggeting that its solely the munster fans and their "sacred cow" that keep the championship from being an open draw.

And I have spent 25 years of watching Limerick mostly lose so no im not intitled. Surely its more intitled to feel that we all have to pretend Wexford are a major power in hurling ATM because of past glory"
I never once myself mentioned open draws or scared crows. For what it's worth I think the Munster championship is brilliant honestly can't think of a more competitive sporting competition let alone gaa.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/05/2019 16:32:38    2182153

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Replying To bloodyban:  "If Wexford were in Munster you wouldn't have 96s All Ireland either. Clare or Tipp would have beaten ye. But you won it and fair play. No one can take that away from ye.

Limerick had 6 or 7 all Ireland final appearances since 73 .But Wexford are in Leinster and I hope they do very well this year. That's my genuine hope. I like Wexford but I think what irks Munster people is that Wexford people think the current Wexford team could compete successfully in the Munster Championship . They wouldn't.
If Galway were allowed into the leinster under 21 championship then Wexford, Offaly and Dublin would never even get to Leinster finals.so I think they should keep the status quo."
So Wexford wouldn't have beaten Tipp or Clare in 96 despite the fact that neither of them came out of Munster and Wexford beat the team that did.

Spurious logic at best.

There should be an open draw in hurling which would eliminate the unfairness for the Munster teams. It would potentially benefit the likes of Limerick, Clare and Waterford imo. The suggestion of turning Munster into a farce competition where 4/5 teams come through is ridiculous.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 06/05/2019 16:34:36    2182155

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Replying To wexico15:  "Jeez you keep digging this hole deeper and deeper. 1. What has 96 got to do with this? 2. How do you know clare and tipp would have beat wexford? Wexford beat the Munster champions in the all ireland final in 96 and would have hammered ye only for Joe quaid playing half the game with 14 men.

You need to check your facts aswel galway are in leinster u21 now u20, beat wexford by a point after extra time in 1 of the best games of 2018 underage or senior in last years leinster final."
Wexico. It was odd that it took so long for Galway to get into Leinster in any of the lower grades- they were in Munster in everything from day one in '59. Incidentally I think that that 11 year sojourn in Munster played a big part in the re emergence of Galway as a major force in hurling again in the seventies. I also feel if they had stayed in the Southern Province they might have even achieved more success in the intervening decades. As regards 96 I also feel every team that ever won an All Ireland deserved it, whether they won by a point or twenty.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4333 - 06/05/2019 19:05:18    2182176

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Wexico. It was odd that it took so long for Galway to get into Leinster in any of the lower grades- they were in Munster in everything from day one in '59. Incidentally I think that that 11 year sojourn in Munster played a big part in the re emergence of Galway as a major force in hurling again in the seventies. I also feel if they had stayed in the Southern Province they might have even achieved more success in the intervening decades. As regards 96 I also feel every team that ever won an All Ireland deserved it, whether they won by a point or twenty."
For what it's worth I've always felt galway should be in leinster warts and all. Senior, underage and club championship

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/05/2019 19:26:16    2182180

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Replying To Breezy:  "I was the clown he was referring to. For suggeting that its solely the munster fans and their "sacred cow" that keep the championship from being an open draw.

And I have spent 25 years of watching Limerick mostly lose so no im not intitled. Surely its more intitled to feel that we all have to pretend Wexford are a major power in hurling ATM because of past glory"
Let the season play out, then come back. You're just a clueless clown

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 06/05/2019 21:35:38    2182191

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Replying To wexico15:  "I never once myself mentioned open draws or scared crows. For what it's worth I think the Munster championship is brilliant honestly can't think of a more competitive sporting competition let alone gaa."
I'm not accusing You of using the term sacred cow but someone else did in a post which I replied to and You called me a clown for. Been called that twice now without either of ye giving any critical reason as to why.

As I said earlier I think Munster and Leinster should be treated equally and should be retained as championships in the AI as it gives teams a valid second target which without alot of fans would lose interest in counties outside the AI favorites.

Or as some suggest all debate should stop till after the championship plays out and then we will see : )

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 06/05/2019 23:13:15    2182200

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Why do these posts always have to turn into Munster vs Leinster spats? There is very little between any of them, bar Carlow. Limerick were way down the pecking order in January 2018, so things can change very quickly.

Anyways in relation to the topic, Kilkenny are probably ranked 3rd at the moment third behind Galway & Wexford, but could obviously be Leinster champions in 2 months time. It's all about getting a run and confidence. As I said above, the difference between the top 8 teams in Ireland is not that much.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 06/05/2019 23:20:21    2182203

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Replying To Breezy:  "I'm not accusing You of using the term sacred cow but someone else did in a post which I replied to and You called me a clown for. Been called that twice now without either of ye giving any critical reason as to why.

As I said earlier I think Munster and Leinster should be treated equally and should be retained as championships in the AI as it gives teams a valid second target which without alot of fans would lose interest in counties outside the AI favorites.

Or as some suggest all debate should stop till after the championship plays out and then we will see : )"
The reason I called you that was you said intercounty hurling would die in Dublin and wexford if there was an open draw.

Ridiculous clueless remark, I can assure you hurling isn't dying a death in wexford and is alive and well.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/05/2019 23:33:00    2182209

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Replying To county man:  "Why do these posts always have to turn into Munster vs Leinster spats? There is very little between any of them, bar Carlow. Limerick were way down the pecking order in January 2018, so things can change very quickly.

Anyways in relation to the topic, Kilkenny are probably ranked 3rd at the moment third behind Galway & Wexford, but could obviously be Leinster champions in 2 months time. It's all about getting a run and confidence. As I said above, the difference between the top 8 teams in Ireland is not that much."
Probably most common sense post on here today.

A more accurate summary of the situation is a thread titled are kilkenny now 4th in leinster was descended by some limerick posters to let's bash the leinster championship and it's counties. Obviously we weren't going to tolerate this carry on fought our corner.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/05/2019 23:35:53    2182210

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Replying To skillet:  "What a miserable post...
it's just sad when insults are your best attempt at argument."
Get over it.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 07/05/2019 10:13:36    2182237

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Spoken like a true Offaly man...now that you have no hurling team of your own you pull on the black and amber geansai..Slightly sad to say the least.
Of course I always follow the oval ball aswell,most Limerick people do. Rugby and hurling ,you cant go wrong. Power and skill.
The only people with an inflated sense of themselves are the Leinster people on here...Have you guys looked at the All Ireland Under 21 statistics for the last 20 years or so .?? Ye haven't kept the ball pucked out to the Munster ir Galway teams. It's a terrible situation that you have let develop. The days are gone when Offaly could turn up with a fag in the corner of their mouth and a belly poking out of the Jersey and use their great skill to beat anyone. Its moved on and the least Leinster can do is get fit and get decent sized squads. I'm not criticising Dublin or Kilkenny here...just everyone else."
I am proud to be an Offaly man, with an equally proud Limerick father, now sadly deceased.
Just for information we do have a hurling team here in Offaly, check it out. Kilkenny have always been a team to set standards, why can't we admire them.
Those Offaly players you disparage, could beat Limerick teams between drags on a fag, as in 1994. There have been a few since then as well. At least you admit we had skilful players, some of the best to play the game.

You lot come on here sneering at Leinster teams, when you were stuck in Munster for years, now 1 Alll Ireland in 45. years, and you are world beaters.
As for rugby, well the hurlers did damn all, so you had to go somewhere.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 07/05/2019 10:25:13    2182240

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The fact there can be a genuine argument made that Kilkenny are the 4th best team in Leinster would indicate that the competitiveness in the competition has never been stronger. As for the Leinster bashers i think the competitiveness of the Munster Competition has masked the actual standard for a long time. At times when Wexford were being hammered in Leinster by KK they were still able to beat Tipp, Cork, Waterford and Clare in Championship.

Moving on, I genuinely don't think there is any team in the competition to be feared at all. Every team playing each other, bar carlow, will have a realistic chance of winning every game they are playing.
There is no result i can think of that would truly shock me. Waterford beating Cork in PUC or Wexford beating Galway in Pearse Stadium being the most unrealistic result in either province IMO.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 07/05/2019 10:30:39    2182242

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Replying To bloodyban:  "If Wexford were in Munster you wouldn't have 96s All Ireland either. Clare or Tipp would have beaten ye. But you won it and fair play. No one can take that away from ye.

Limerick had 6 or 7 all Ireland final appearances since 73 .But Wexford are in Leinster and I hope they do very well this year. That's my genuine hope. I like Wexford but I think what irks Munster people is that Wexford people think the current Wexford team could compete successfully in the Munster Championship . They wouldn't.
If Galway were allowed into the leinster under 21 championship then Wexford, Offaly and Dublin would never even get to Leinster finals.so I think they should keep the status quo."
Galway are in the U-21 championship in Leinster, last year was their first year in the Leinster U-21 championship, which they won at their first attempt.. They are still excluded at Minor level, as Galway's record at Minor level is highly impressive, with all of their 12 titles having come since 1983 which was their first. They have actually been quite poor at
U-21 level in the last few years, although they did have the ridiculous situation where they were going straight into an All Ireland semi final against battled hardened Munster or Leinster teams, so it was only proper order that they were finally allowed into Leinster.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 07/05/2019 10:31:39    2182243

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Galway Kilkenny and Dublin to come out of Leinster!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 07/05/2019 11:01:02    2182252

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Even without the injuries I felt Kilkenny would struggle this year. They were very lucky o get out of PP last year with a win. The spine of the team is in question. Numbers 3,6,14 are all complete unknowns right now. The one known however is they will give everything they have until the final whistle. Hopefully some of the young players from last year will be stronger this year and they can make the top 3. If Dublin and Wexford get in it wouldn't be he worst thing for hurling.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 07/05/2019 11:08:41    2182253

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i agree.and i am not just playing down my own county.
starting away to dublin and then galway is a tough draw for us,especially starting in week 2 when dublin will have a game under their belts.
if the draw had been kinder and we had game 1/2 at home i think we would have had some chance.
dee okeefe being injured,as well as rory o connor suspension,are huge losses.
if we beat dublin on Sunday week we will come down nd/3rd as i think we can take kilkenny.if we dont beat dublin,and i fear we wont,it will be curtains.
amid all the hype around munster,i think leinster is just as tight.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 07/05/2019 11:43:15    2182263

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posted and then read the thread!! not a great idea....
1. wexford beat kilkenny,Dublin,offaly (then as good as anyone in munster),galway and limerick (the best team in Munster presumably) in 1996.who we didnt play we couldnt beat,end of story.you could argue till the cows come home.sure without the straight knock out maybe limerick would have lost to clare on another day?
2. the hurling championship is what it is.muster counties wanted this too.ive been saying for years i prefer the league to the championship.open draw?bring.it.on.
3. the argument was taken off topic by a Limerick poster moaning about 2 teams should come out of leinster.
4. go start a thread about championship structures if you want.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 07/05/2019 12:13:38    2182267

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No, they are not. Kilkenny are what Kilkenny always were, i.e. tough opponents, never get anything easy, they will come out of Leinster and so will Galway.
The last spot is Wexford/Dublin.

The argument about "oh they didn't beat A, B or C so aren't All-Ireland champions " is a ridiculous argument.

Many of us here are long enough in the tooth to remember a Munster championship where Tipp and Cork were the only 2 realistic competitors, bar the odd rousing performance from Limerick/Clare. Waterford were whipping boys for a long time too.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 07/05/2019 16:47:53    2182334

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "No, they are not. Kilkenny are what Kilkenny always were, i.e. tough opponents, never get anything easy, they will come out of Leinster and so will Galway.
The last spot is Wexford/Dublin.

The argument about "oh they didn't beat A, B or C so aren't All-Ireland champions " is a ridiculous argument.

Many of us here are long enough in the tooth to remember a Munster championship where Tipp and Cork were the only 2 realistic competitors, bar the odd rousing performance from Limerick/Clare. Waterford were whipping boys for a long time too."
Every All Ireland is hard won and deserved.

As for Kilkenny I do believe they will qualify but hopefully in 3rd. Would be great to see someone else get a crack at a Leinster title this year.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 07/05/2019 17:19:13    2182341

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Is it not time for kerry hurlers to be in munster
then you have 6 teams
that means 3 games a week
in leinster add another team offaly/ westmaeth or laois
also have 6 teams 3 games a week

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 07/05/2019 18:31:34    2182350

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