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Laois Football's Big Handicap

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As I type Portlaoise are 12 points up on St. Joseph's in the Laois Senior Football Semi after 25min. They have won 10 of the last Senior football championships.

No other town with a population of 30,000 has one senior football or hurling club. In Kilkenny City you have O'Loughlin Gaels, James Stephens and Dicksboro. In Carlow town you have Palatine, Eire Og, O'Hanrahans. In Newbridge Moorefield and Sarsfields.

The amount of young talent being lost as they can't get to play football in Portlaoise is scandalous as 'The Town' will not countenance any rival club setting up like the aborted effort to set up Kilminchy 10 years ago.

Meanwhile the parish of Arles, a rural parish, has 3 senior teams, Ballylinan, Arles Killeen and Arles Kilcruise.

Just another example of the squeeze being put on rural Ireland.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 30/09/2018 14:42:46    2144424

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "As I type Portlaoise are 12 points up on St. Joseph's in the Laois Senior Football Semi after 25min. They have won 10 of the last Senior football championships.

No other town with a population of 30,000 has one senior football or hurling club. In Kilkenny City you have O'Loughlin Gaels, James Stephens and Dicksboro. In Carlow town you have Palatine, Eire Og, O'Hanrahans. In Newbridge Moorefield and Sarsfields.

The amount of young talent being lost as they can't get to play football in Portlaoise is scandalous as 'The Town' will not countenance any rival club setting up like the aborted effort to set up Kilminchy 10 years ago.

Meanwhile the parish of Arles, a rural parish, has 3 senior teams, Ballylinan, Arles Killeen and Arles Kilcruise.

Just another example of the squeeze being put on rural Ireland."
I was discussing this during the week with someone, what I find most extraordinary is that over the years nobody had left and set up a rival club, I mean there had to be some disagreements that would have meant poeple left over the years. That's how Eire og started in carlow. Infact Carlow has also asca playing in junior and setanta playing juvenile hurling Carlow town hurling club also.

Anyway the monopoly portlaois has can't be good for laois football . There should be at least two clubs possibly even 3 in a town that size

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1625 - 30/09/2018 15:28:38    2144431

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I was discussing this during the week with someone, what I find most extraordinary is that over the years nobody had left and set up a rival club, I mean there had to be some disagreements that would have meant poeple left over the years. That's how Eire og started in carlow. Infact Carlow has also asca playing in junior and setanta playing juvenile hurling Carlow town hurling club also.

Anyway the monopoly portlaois has can't be good for laois football . There should be at least two clubs possibly even 3 in a town that size"
100% agree.

No. They love presenting themselves as 'the Town'. It's different to county where i can totally understand the likes of Dublin feeling they are one entity is very natural.

County Board should be stronger on it.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 30/09/2018 15:44:39    2144432

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "As I type Portlaoise are 12 points up on St. Joseph's in the Laois Senior Football Semi after 25min. They have won 10 of the last Senior football championships.

No other town with a population of 30,000 has one senior football or hurling club. In Kilkenny City you have O'Loughlin Gaels, James Stephens and Dicksboro. In Carlow town you have Palatine, Eire Og, O'Hanrahans. In Newbridge Moorefield and Sarsfields.

The amount of young talent being lost as they can't get to play football in Portlaoise is scandalous as 'The Town' will not countenance any rival club setting up like the aborted effort to set up Kilminchy 10 years ago.

Meanwhile the parish of Arles, a rural parish, has 3 senior teams, Ballylinan, Arles Killeen and Arles Kilcruise.

Just another example of the squeeze being put on rural Ireland."
If you're going to list the clubs from Carlow town how could someone from Leix omit to include Graigecullen - holders of 13 Carlow SFC titles.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 30/09/2018 22:20:14    2144504

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "If you're going to list the clubs from Carlow town how could someone from Leix omit to include Graigecullen - holders of 13 Carlow SFC titles."
We're talking about 2018 Scallion Eater.. move with the times.

While we're on it 'Laois' senior 3, Carlow Seniors Nil...2018. Like most years since 1988.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2018 11:40:28    2144556

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "We're talking about 2018 Scallion Eater.. move with the times.

While we're on it 'Laois' senior 3, Carlow Seniors Nil...2018. Like most years since 1988."
What's the year got to the do with any of this for heavens sake?

Your point related to the number of clubs in Portlaoise and you referenced the number in Carlow town for comparison. Astonishingly you omitted to include one of the biggest clubs in Carlow town. That's as is now and always was. 2018, 1969, 1926 or whatever significant year in the history of Graigecullen.

In relation to your petty jibe about 3 and 0, tell me, did Leix footballers EVER win anything without having at the very least one and often up to a half dozen Carlow men on board? (Answer of course is no, a team of Leixmen never ever won anything.)

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 14:09:11    2144583

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Its an unfortunate position for Loais football!

Setting up a new club now would be extremely expensive and time consuming, so I doubt if its likely to happen anytime soon

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1451 - 01/10/2018 15:05:55    2144597

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Split it in two

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12147 - 01/10/2018 15:37:45    2144607

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does it really matter though?armagh won an all ireland when crossmaglen were dominant.

you talk about a squeeze being put on rural ireland,this was inevitable as planners favour towns over villages for the provision of services,coupled with the decline in large families there was no doubt this was going to happen.

how the gaa will react to this will be interesting.your club is your club.

these things are cyclical though,st aidans of enniscorthy had a great team in the 60s and hardly won anything after that.oulart dominated wexford hurling for a decade or more,and just about survived relegation this year.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/10/2018 16:18:32    2144620

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Replying To perfect10:  "does it really matter though?armagh won an all ireland when crossmaglen were dominant.

you talk about a squeeze being put on rural ireland,this was inevitable as planners favour towns over villages for the provision of services,coupled with the decline in large families there was no doubt this was going to happen.

how the gaa will react to this will be interesting.your club is your club.

these things are cyclical though,st aidans of enniscorthy had a great team in the 60s and hardly won anything after that.oulart dominated wexford hurling for a decade or more,and just about survived relegation this year."
You can't compare Crossmaglen with Portlaoise's population. Cross were maximising every child they had. The point being Portlaoise are not. Kids can't get games. It's effecting the number of children who could potentially play countybut drop out as they aren't as good as others at under 8 and play soccer or rugby.

Armagh weren't losing out on players not being given game time because there was one club in a 30,000 population town. There's no example of a county town in Ireland with the same population as Portlaoise and one club.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2018 16:41:02    2144628

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "What's the year got to the do with any of this for heavens sake?

Your point related to the number of clubs in Portlaoise and you referenced the number in Carlow town for comparison. Astonishingly you omitted to include one of the biggest clubs in Carlow town. That's as is now and always was. 2018, 1969, 1926 or whatever significant year in the history of Graigecullen.

In relation to your petty jibe about 3 and 0, tell me, did Leix footballers EVER win anything without having at the very least one and often up to a half dozen Carlow men on board? (Answer of course is no, a team of Leixmen never ever won anything.)"
Grauiguecullen is in Laois end of. All counties have players with parents from bordering counties.

Look the fact of the matter is we dominate the local rivalry (that is hardly a rivalry, in fairness). Laois v Carlow. You made your quip trying to claim Graigue, good for you. Maybe work with what ye have.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2018 16:44:43    2144629

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Grauiguecullen is in Laois end of. All counties have players with parents from bordering counties.

Look the fact of the matter is we dominate the local rivalry (that is hardly a rivalry, in fairness). Laois v Carlow. You made your quip trying to claim Graigue, good for you. Maybe work with what ye have."
As a matter of fact graiguecullen is not in Leix but no point in arguing that one with you given that from the start of this you've had the blinkers on. But, whether it's in county Carlow or county Leix it's very much in Carlow town and it's not as if Graigecullen only poach their players from their side of town either. You're right all counties have players with parents from bordering counties but in the case of Leix the attitude is if he's any good and one parent is from Leix then at all costs he must play for Leix. Worse than the FAI chasing English born youngsters.

Anyway, where'd you get this notion Portlaoise has a population of 30,000?

And you say the only town with a big population with just one club? Just staying in Leinster alone, I can think of Navan and Bray who are far bigger but have one club, while Naas, Balbriggan, Greystones and Celbridge would be the same size as Portlaoise and also have just one club. Never thought of them did you?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 17:54:40    2144640

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "As a matter of fact graiguecullen is not in Leix but no point in arguing that one with you given that from the start of this you've had the blinkers on. But, whether it's in county Carlow or county Leix it's very much in Carlow town and it's not as if Graigecullen only poach their players from their side of town either. You're right all counties have players with parents from bordering counties but in the case of Leix the attitude is if he's any good and one parent is from Leix then at all costs he must play for Leix. Worse than the FAI chasing English born youngsters.

Anyway, where'd you get this notion Portlaoise has a population of 30,000?

And you say the only town with a big population with just one club? Just staying in Leinster alone, I can think of Navan and Bray who are far bigger but have one club, while Naas, Balbriggan, Greystones and Celbridge would be the same size as Portlaoise and also have just one club. Never thought of them did you?"
'Leix' is a term which hasn't been used for Laois since the 1920s. Graiguecullen have been playing in Laois for almost 100 years. The club is affiliated to Laois GAA. In Portarlington we have a similar setup with Offaly. Portalington play with Laois, and Gracefield with Offaly. We get on fine, we're manly.

I work with the CSO so i know the Portlaoise population was 22,500 in 2016 and projected to be 30,000 in 2020, a mere 15 months away from today.

Portlaoise is a big GAA town no comparison with Balbriggan, Greystones and Bray. The later 2 practically Dublin suburbs ..on the Dart line! Real gaa heartlands. Celbridge is practically a total commuting suburb of Dublin. Navan should have more than one gaa club, you're right there.

Laois won her 3 minors since 1996 and senior in 2003 with Laois players. Barry Brennan came on as a sub and scored a great point in the 2003 Leinster Senior football final. He's a Graiguecullen and Laois man, like his father before him.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2018 19:55:48    2144659

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "As a matter of fact graiguecullen is not in Leix but no point in arguing that one with you given that from the start of this you've had the blinkers on. But, whether it's in county Carlow or county Leix it's very much in Carlow town and it's not as if Graigecullen only poach their players from their side of town either. You're right all counties have players with parents from bordering counties but in the case of Leix the attitude is if he's any good and one parent is from Leix then at all costs he must play for Leix. Worse than the FAI chasing English born youngsters.

Anyway, where'd you get this notion Portlaoise has a population of 30,000?

And you say the only town with a big population with just one club? Just staying in Leinster alone, I can think of Navan and Bray who are far bigger but have one club, while Naas, Balbriggan, Greystones and Celbridge would be the same size as Portlaoise and also have just one club. Never thought of them did you?"
Not sure about your facts-Navan has teams which have won the last four senior championships (Navan O'Mahonys and Simonstown Gaels). Another team Bective which is intermediate is in the Navan parish so that is 3 teams in Navan.
Johnstown which is termed Navan has a population of 6 to 7 thousand but in the Walterstown parish. Navan without Johnstown would have a population of 23 thousand close to the population of Portlaoise at 22 thousand odd. Crossmaglen would have a population of approx. 1500 - 1/15 the population of Portlaoise.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 01/10/2018 20:38:07    2144667

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "'Leix' is a term which hasn't been used for Laois since the 1920s. Graiguecullen have been playing in Laois for almost 100 years. The club is affiliated to Laois GAA. In Portarlington we have a similar setup with Offaly. Portalington play with Laois, and Gracefield with Offaly. We get on fine, we're manly.

I work with the CSO so i know the Portlaoise population was 22,500 in 2016 and projected to be 30,000 in 2020, a mere 15 months away from today.

Portlaoise is a big GAA town no comparison with Balbriggan, Greystones and Bray. The later 2 practically Dublin suburbs ..on the Dart line! Real gaa heartlands. Celbridge is practically a total commuting suburb of Dublin. Navan should have more than one gaa club, you're right there.

Laois won her 3 minors since 1996 and senior in 2003 with Laois players. Barry Brennan came on as a sub and scored a great point in the 2003 Leinster Senior football final. He's a Graiguecullen and Laois man, like his father before him."
Ah here, now you're really starting to lose perspective. I work in CSO so I know ...seriously ... LOL.

I sincerely hope you're just a temp or an intern there and they're not paying actual taxpayers money for you to come out with that nonsense ... there isn't a cat in hells chance the population of Portlaoise will be 30,000 in 15 months time but whatever you say Mr. Know all CSO.

As for Leix, you need to get out and listen. Not used since the 1920's you say LOL. Never heard then of Leix Dairy then ...?

You reserve your most pathetic comments for Bray, Greystones, Celbridge and Balbriggan. Same size as Portlaoise but dismissed by you, in a tone almost bordering on racist, because of their proximity to Dublin. What has that got to do with anything? You think they couldn't be GAA heartlands then could they .... like Dublin are only all Ireland champions. You speak of Dublin as if it's almost a dirty word when it comes to GAA as if anyone living close to it couldn't be a proper GAA person. Stop digging now, good lad, and go back to your fantasy population projections.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 20:42:32    2144668

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "As a matter of fact graiguecullen is not in Leix but no point in arguing that one with you given that from the start of this you've had the blinkers on. But, whether it's in county Carlow or county Leix it's very much in Carlow town and it's not as if Graigecullen only poach their players from their side of town either. You're right all counties have players with parents from bordering counties but in the case of Leix the attitude is if he's any good and one parent is from Leix then at all costs he must play for Leix. Worse than the FAI chasing English born youngsters.

Anyway, where'd you get this notion Portlaoise has a population of 30,000?

And you say the only town with a big population with just one club? Just staying in Leinster alone, I can think of Navan and Bray who are far bigger but have one club, while Naas, Balbriggan, Greystones and Celbridge would be the same size as Portlaoise and also have just one club. Never thought of them did you?"
Pedantic but Bray have two clubs, Bray Emmets and Fergal Og. Greystones and Kilcoole grounds are only about 2 miles apart. Both thriving clubs.

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 179 - 01/10/2018 20:45:22    2144669

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Ah here, now you're really starting to lose perspective. I work in CSO so I know ...seriously ... LOL.

I sincerely hope you're just a temp or an intern there and they're not paying actual taxpayers money for you to come out with that nonsense ... there isn't a cat in hells chance the population of Portlaoise will be 30,000 in 15 months time but whatever you say Mr. Know all CSO.

As for Leix, you need to get out and listen. Not used since the 1920's you say LOL. Never heard then of Leix Dairy then ...?

You reserve your most pathetic comments for Bray, Greystones, Celbridge and Balbriggan. Same size as Portlaoise but dismissed by you, in a tone almost bordering on racist, because of their proximity to Dublin. What has that got to do with anything? You think they couldn't be GAA heartlands then could they .... like Dublin are only all Ireland champions. You speak of Dublin as if it's almost a dirty word when it comes to GAA as if anyone living close to it couldn't be a proper GAA person. Stop digging now, good lad, and go back to your fantasy population projections."
As others have pointed out Bray and Navan have more than one club. Don't accuse me of fantasising!

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2018 20:58:43    2144675

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Replying To liam500:  "Pedantic but Bray have two clubs, Bray Emmets and Fergal Og. Greystones and Kilcoole grounds are only about 2 miles apart. Both thriving clubs."
Never heard of Fergal Og. Do they have adult teams? Proximity of GAA grounds aside, Kilcoole and Greystones are separate towns.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 21:03:14    2144676

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Replying To browncows:  "Not sure about your facts-Navan has teams which have won the last four senior championships (Navan O'Mahonys and Simonstown Gaels). Another team Bective which is intermediate is in the Navan parish so that is 3 teams in Navan.
Johnstown which is termed Navan has a population of 6 to 7 thousand but in the Walterstown parish. Navan without Johnstown would have a population of 23 thousand close to the population of Portlaoise at 22 thousand odd. Crossmaglen would have a population of approx. 1500 - 1/15 the population of Portlaoise."
Ah here if Simonstown is be be counted as a Navan based team thenClonad is a Portlaoise team. As for Bective, I don't know what a parish is or what it should have to do with anything.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 21:08:32    2144678

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "'Leix' is a term which hasn't been used for Laois since the 1920s. Graiguecullen have been playing in Laois for almost 100 years. The club is affiliated to Laois GAA. In Portarlington we have a similar setup with Offaly. Portalington play with Laois, and Gracefield with Offaly. We get on fine, we're manly.

I work with the CSO so i know the Portlaoise population was 22,500 in 2016 and projected to be 30,000 in 2020, a mere 15 months away from today.

Portlaoise is a big GAA town no comparison with Balbriggan, Greystones and Bray. The later 2 practically Dublin suburbs ..on the Dart line! Real gaa heartlands. Celbridge is practically a total commuting suburb of Dublin. Navan should have more than one gaa club, you're right there.

Laois won her 3 minors since 1996 and senior in 2003 with Laois players. Barry Brennan came on as a sub and scored a great point in the 2003 Leinster Senior football final. He's a Graiguecullen and Laois man, like his father before him."
By the way I'm glad you mentioned one of Grange's finest Barry Brennan. Born and bred in the middle of county Carlow whom he played underage county football for. Then Leix discovered he was a good footballer and Willie's father and there you go. As you intimated yourself, you wouldn't have won Leinster only for him.

Of course his father Willie was part of a Leix team that won the league in 1986 with no fewer than FIVE Carlow men on board. Will ye ever be able to win anything on yer own I wonder?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 01/10/2018 21:15:43    2144681

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