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Replying To cacsmckilly: "Donegal is a great place for fishing during this warm spell of weather :)" hahaha fair play to ya
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 28/06/2018 12:03:57
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Replying To rorysboys: "Sure didn't Bonner not win last years ulster u21s beating a certain Tyrone team along the way. Bonner has win every title from u16s to senior as manager of donegal. So he must be doing something right. Going by a good friend of mine Bonner is not popular in tyrone. And we all know what that was about. Truth hurts" Declan also lost to a winning All-Ireland Tyrone team in the Ulster Final in the U21s something he didn't seem to take too well amongst other things while managing that team. As you say the truth hurts
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 28/06/2018 12:38:40
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Funnily enough I haven't heard one single Donegal supporter say Donegal can win the All-Ireland this year. I spoke to many supporters after the game and all were saying that we haven't been tested yet and its a massive step up to Dublin. However everyone was really excited by the potential in the team and especially the way we are playing more attacking football. We were terrible last year and it is a pleasant surprise that we are Ulster champions this year. We may not be at Dublin's standard but we still have a decent chance of making the All-Ireland semi-finals if we can beat the 2 qualifiers.
The loss of Patrick McBrearty will be huge but I still think we can look forward to a good Super 8s.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1907 - 28/06/2018 22:11:18
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We can look at some simple indicators on this game.
Donegal are playing well but haven't met a decent side.
Dublin are playing well but haven't met a decent side.
Dublin are playing with home advantage and a seasoned team.
Donegal are playing away from home with some players playing their first championship game in Croke Park.
Dublin have a very experienced and strong bench.
Donegal have some experience on the bench.
Dublin will have Cluxton back to lift them.
Donegal will be without Paddy Mc Brearty.
All the indicators are favouring Dublin. The bookies have them favourites and are rarely wrong.
It has already been a good championship for Donegal. To win Ulster and now give 3 competitive games to a young and upcoming team will be great and pay dividends in the future years. Depending on the draw we may go through the super 8's without a win but these young lads will end the season with great experience for next year and a medal in the pocket.
I am looking forward to the Dublin game in particular. Playing them in Croke Park, with the hill buzzing and the stands packed will be a great occasion. I hope we give them a good game and run them close. Some people bemoan Dublins dominance but sometimes you just need to open your eyes wider and realise you could be watching one of the best teams of all time doing their thing. It if wasn't for Donegal they would be going for 6 in a row (They would have beat Kerry in 2014)
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 28/06/2018 23:45:21
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "Declan also lost to a winning All-Ireland Tyrone team in the Ulster Final in the U21s something he didn't seem to take too well amongst other things while managing that team. As you say the truth hurts" I was at that U21 game in Celtic Park, I remember we were robbed, sending off's were a joke.
Now everybody, especially the Donegal fans know we haven't beat a top tier side on our way to winning Ulster, nobody is spouting otherwise. That win gave us entry to the Super 8's and an opening tie against Dublin, so now that we have achieved our initial objectives, no harm speculating as to how much further we can go.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1353 - 30/06/2018 01:16:09
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Replying To Commodore: "I was at that U21 game in Celtic Park, I remember we were robbed, sending off's were a joke.
Now everybody, especially the Donegal fans know we haven't beat a top tier side on our way to winning Ulster, nobody is spouting otherwise. That win gave us entry to the Super 8's and an opening tie against Dublin, so now that we have achieved our initial objectives, no harm speculating as to how much further we can go." So was i, certainly weren't robbed, better team won simple, they went on and showed how good they were and became All-Ireland champions. I'm sorry I don't buy this we haven't beat a top team we know where we stand stuff, Donegal think they can beat anyone our there, doesn't suit to hype themselves up as it goes against the grain but they certainly believe it
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 30/06/2018 16:33:56
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "So was i, certainly weren't robbed, better team won simple, they went on and showed how good they were and became All-Ireland champions. I'm sorry I don't buy this we haven't beat a top team we know where we stand stuff, Donegal think they can beat anyone our there, doesn't suit to hype themselves up as it goes against the grain but they certainly believe it" Well I do hope the players and management think they can beat anyone as what would be the point if they could not? However we as supporters are not in that bubble so can say it as we see it. I do not understand why you do not buy what some of us think. Donegal have not beaten a top side in the championship and until we play one then we can be realistic as to where we stand. I don't buy into the hype as I was sucked into it before especially with some of our underage sides.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 30/06/2018 17:38:49
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "So was i, certainly weren't robbed, better team won simple, they went on and showed how good they were and became All-Ireland champions. I'm sorry I don't buy this we haven't beat a top team we know where we stand stuff, Donegal think they can beat anyone our there, doesn't suit to hype themselves up as it goes against the grain but they certainly believe it" Show me anything Donegal have done in 2018 that would lead anyone to believe they can win Sam?
Yes, we are back at the top table & moving in the right direction but defensively & with Paddy missing, qualification from the Super 8's would be a fantastic year.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 30/06/2018 18:48:51
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "So was i, certainly weren't robbed, better team won simple, they went on and showed how good they were and became All-Ireland champions. I'm sorry I don't buy this we haven't beat a top team we know where we stand stuff, Donegal think they can beat anyone our there, doesn't suit to hype themselves up as it goes against the grain but they certainly believe it" How were they not robbed, Donegal were on top in the first half, then quickly had 2 men sent off, had to play almost half the match with 13 men.
I think Donegal can beat anybody on any given day, I understand we have young players who still lack experience at senior level, but that was also the case in 2011. The only way to gain proper experience is to go out there and get stuck in at the highest level. We still have senior All Ireland winning players in the team, something only Dublin and Kerry can currently boast, players who've been there and done it, and that should help the next generation of players.
Self-belief is not hype, believing your good enough is essential if you are to go toe to toe with the big guns. Donegal have won 4 Ulster titles and contested two All Ireland finals in the last 7 years, surely the players and fans are entitled to believe an All Ireland title is achievable? There is uncertainty over whether we can do it this year, as we know we haven't been really tested yet, but we know we are going in the right direction.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1353 - 01/07/2018 15:17:36
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Replying To Commodore: "How were they not robbed, Donegal were on top in the first half, then quickly had 2 men sent off, had to play almost half the match with 13 men.
I think Donegal can beat anybody on any given day, I understand we have young players who still lack experience at senior level, but that was also the case in 2011. The only way to gain proper experience is to go out there and get stuck in at the highest level. We still have senior All Ireland winning players in the team, something only Dublin and Kerry can currently boast, players who've been there and done it, and that should help the next generation of players.
Self-belief is not hype, believing your good enough is essential if you are to go toe to toe with the big guns. Donegal have won 4 Ulster titles and contested two All Ireland finals in the last 7 years, surely the players and fans are entitled to believe an All Ireland title is achievable? There is uncertainty over whether we can do it this year, as we know we haven't been really tested yet, but we know we are going in the right direction." And your point is? Should have been lined sooner! Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, What does it matter now anyway! Well agree to disagree on that one, but as I've already said Commodore I respect your honesty and you have just confirmed what I've been saying all along, no shame in that, I just wish some other Donegal posters were as honest instead of always playing it down. As for the game itself it will be a big ask with young Mc Brearty out potentially half the teams scoring rate gone in a flash, no matter how positive of a spin is put on it. Still, you never know Donegal could very well beat them but as it stands the best time to beat the Dubs is in the final
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 01/07/2018 21:42:38
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Show me anything Donegal have done in 2018 that would lead anyone to believe they can win Sam?
Yes, we are back at the top table & moving in the right direction but defensively & with Paddy missing, qualification from the Super 8's would be a fantastic year." Muck
I see this as a contradiction. You say you are back at the top table after beating poor teams, let's be fair, it's was the easiest Ulster title in living memory. But you were relegated from the Div 1 league.
If you are "back at the top table" that means you are completing for the All Ireland. I just don't see it.
There seems to be quite a bit of hype, fuelled by Declan Bonner, who to be fair, none of the Donegal supporters really trust. I would say a few defeats and it won't be long until the fans and players want him out. Probably asking for Jim to come back.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2100 - 01/07/2018 22:52:58
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Muck
I see this as a contradiction. You say you are back at the top table after beating poor teams, let's be fair, it's was the easiest Ulster title in living memory. But you were relegated from the Div 1 league.
If you are "back at the top table" that means you are completing for the All Ireland. I just don't see it.
There seems to be quite a bit of hype, fuelled by Declan Bonner, who to be fair, none of the Donegal supporters really trust. I would say a few defeats and it won't be long until the fans and players want him out. Probably asking for Jim to come back." Hype fuelled by Bonner? What hype? Where? Explain that... Donegal fans definitely trust a man who has just won the Ulster title in his first year in charge and has brought many of these young players through underage level successfully to All Ireland finals and semi finals. He was always going to be the man to take them on at senior level. We are 100% moving in the right direction. We won the Ulster title because we were the best team in the province this year, like you guys were last year. Nobody here is saying we will win the All Ireland or anything close to it because we have a young team. Paddy McBrearty out. But we will give it a lash.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1424 - 02/07/2018 13:08:10
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "And your point is? Should have been lined sooner! Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, What does it matter now anyway! Well agree to disagree on that one, but as I've already said Commodore I respect your honesty and you have just confirmed what I've been saying all along, no shame in that, I just wish some other Donegal posters were as honest instead of always playing it down. As for the game itself it will be a big ask with young Mc Brearty out potentially half the teams scoring rate gone in a flash, no matter how positive of a spin is put on it. Still, you never know Donegal could very well beat them but as it stands the best time to beat the Dubs is in the final" Most Donegal fans know we still have a lot of inexperience in our ranks, and are maybe uncertain about whether or not those young fellas are ready to push on just yet, so I don't think its "cute hoorism", just being a bit cautious.
We still have serious experience in our ranks, but its about showing the inexperienced players how to see out the big games against the biggest teams, something we failed to do in the National League. Assuming that Paddy McBrearty's replacement manages to score a few points in each game, id say we will still manage to give our opposition a tough game of it.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1353 - 02/07/2018 16:06:04
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Replying To Commodore: "Most Donegal fans know we still have a lot of inexperience in our ranks, and are maybe uncertain about whether or not those young fellas are ready to push on just yet, so I don't think its "cute hoorism", just being a bit cautious.
We still have serious experience in our ranks, but its about showing the inexperienced players how to see out the big games against the biggest teams, something we failed to do in the National League. Assuming that Paddy McBrearty's replacement manages to score a few points in each game, id say we will still manage to give our opposition a tough game of it." Spot on.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 02/07/2018 16:28:18
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Hype fuelled by Bonner? What hype? Where? Explain that... Donegal fans definitely trust a man who has just won the Ulster title in his first year in charge and has brought many of these young players through underage level successfully to All Ireland finals and semi finals. He was always going to be the man to take them on at senior level. We are 100% moving in the right direction. We won the Ulster title because we were the best team in the province this year, like you guys were last year. Nobody here is saying we will win the All Ireland or anything close to it because we have a young team. Paddy McBrearty out. But we will give it a lash." Just scroll up through previous posts and u will soon realise this lad is stirring. Typed some woeful nonsense already esp in relation to Paddy McB.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 02/07/2018 16:29:30
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Replying To panamasam: "Just scroll up through previous posts and u will soon realise this lad is stirring. Typed some woeful nonsense already esp in relation to Paddy McB." What's your thoughts on Declan Bonner?
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2100 - 02/07/2018 18:48:07
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Replying To The_Fridge: "What's your thoughts on Declan Bonner?" I always thought Declan talked a good game as he has an article in one of the Donegal local newspapers. He always seemed to be in tune with what real supporters were thinking. As a manager I think tactically he was found wanting on a couple of occasions with his underage teams. The 2015 minor Ulster semi final against Derry springs to mind with a team that was probably in the top 2 or 3 in the country but basically got beaten by a ridiculous kickout strategy and severely under performing on the day. There was also the meltdown on and off the pitch with the 2016 U-21 side. Some will argue that last years U-21 side were too 1 dimensional when facing the Dubs but it is impossible to be critical given the merciless schedule they had not helped by idiotic selfish management of behalf of the senior set up. I had mixed feelings when he got the job with fears about his tactical nous. But what was apparent and impressive from the very start was the management team he has got in. You have Karl Lacey one of the best all round players of the last 20 years. A brilliant defender, man marker and attacking wing back. He was a link to the more experienced players in the squad with the guaranteed respect of any player involved. He also got in Paul McGonigle who was also part of Jim McGuninness's backroom team which is another important link. He correctly rested our more experienced lads during the league letting the young lads go at it and get more experience which I think u will see more of in next years league. He also coaxed important players like Odhran and Leo McClone back. Tactically it is obvious he has learned and developed as a manager allowing those around him to have important input. Plus given he would have always had a relationship with Jim McGuinness as a player and manager it opened the avenue for one of the best minds in Gaelic football to speak to the squad and take some sessions. So I had mixed feelings when he got the job but I have being very impressed with the job he has done so far. I think he has grown and progressed as a manager and shown a willingness to be adaptable all with the good of Donegal football in mind. Something which was always very apparent in his columns.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 02/07/2018 19:53:41
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Replying To panamasam: "I always thought Declan talked a good game as he has an article in one of the Donegal local newspapers. He always seemed to be in tune with what real supporters were thinking. As a manager I think tactically he was found wanting on a couple of occasions with his underage teams. The 2015 minor Ulster semi final against Derry springs to mind with a team that was probably in the top 2 or 3 in the country but basically got beaten by a ridiculous kickout strategy and severely under performing on the day. There was also the meltdown on and off the pitch with the 2016 U-21 side. Some will argue that last years U-21 side were too 1 dimensional when facing the Dubs but it is impossible to be critical given the merciless schedule they had not helped by idiotic selfish management of behalf of the senior set up. I had mixed feelings when he got the job with fears about his tactical nous. But what was apparent and impressive from the very start was the management team he has got in. You have Karl Lacey one of the best all round players of the last 20 years. A brilliant defender, man marker and attacking wing back. He was a link to the more experienced players in the squad with the guaranteed respect of any player involved. He also got in Paul McGonigle who was also part of Jim McGuninness's backroom team which is another important link. He correctly rested our more experienced lads during the league letting the young lads go at it and get more experience which I think u will see more of in next years league. He also coaxed important players like Odhran and Leo McClone back. Tactically it is obvious he has learned and developed as a manager allowing those around him to have important input. Plus given he would have always had a relationship with Jim McGuinness as a player and manager it opened the avenue for one of the best minds in Gaelic football to speak to the squad and take some sessions. So I had mixed feelings when he got the job but I have being very impressed with the job he has done so far. I think he has grown and progressed as a manager and shown a willingness to be adaptable all with the good of Donegal football in mind. Something which was always very apparent in his columns." I would safely say your opinion will change if he loses 3 games in the super 8's and doesn't get promoted from a poor div 2. It will get out Declan etc and "I told you so". Get Jim back in there.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2100 - 02/07/2018 22:39:04
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Replying To panamasam: "I always thought Declan talked a good game as he has an article in one of the Donegal local newspapers. He always seemed to be in tune with what real supporters were thinking. As a manager I think tactically he was found wanting on a couple of occasions with his underage teams. The 2015 minor Ulster semi final against Derry springs to mind with a team that was probably in the top 2 or 3 in the country but basically got beaten by a ridiculous kickout strategy and severely under performing on the day. There was also the meltdown on and off the pitch with the 2016 U-21 side. Some will argue that last years U-21 side were too 1 dimensional when facing the Dubs but it is impossible to be critical given the merciless schedule they had not helped by idiotic selfish management of behalf of the senior set up. I had mixed feelings when he got the job with fears about his tactical nous. But what was apparent and impressive from the very start was the management team he has got in. You have Karl Lacey one of the best all round players of the last 20 years. A brilliant defender, man marker and attacking wing back. He was a link to the more experienced players in the squad with the guaranteed respect of any player involved. He also got in Paul McGonigle who was also part of Jim McGuninness's backroom team which is another important link. He correctly rested our more experienced lads during the league letting the young lads go at it and get more experience which I think u will see more of in next years league. He also coaxed important players like Odhran and Leo McClone back. Tactically it is obvious he has learned and developed as a manager allowing those around him to have important input. Plus given he would have always had a relationship with Jim McGuinness as a player and manager it opened the avenue for one of the best minds in Gaelic football to speak to the squad and take some sessions. So I had mixed feelings when he got the job but I have being very impressed with the job he has done so far. I think he has grown and progressed as a manager and shown a willingness to be adaptable all with the good of Donegal football in mind. Something which was always very apparent in his columns." Nail on the head for literally everything you said. I couldn't disagree when any slight aspect of any of that. Bravo.
HowManyStepsRef (Donegal) - Posts: 302 - 02/07/2018 22:50:18
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Muck
I see this as a contradiction. You say you are back at the top table after beating poor teams, let's be fair, it's was the easiest Ulster title in living memory. But you were relegated from the Div 1 league.
If you are "back at the top table" that means you are completing for the All Ireland. I just don't see it.
There seems to be quite a bit of hype, fuelled by Declan Bonner, who to be fair, none of the Donegal supporters really trust. I would say a few defeats and it won't be long until the fans and players want him out. Probably asking for Jim to come back." Being Ulster Champions after not just beating but blowing every team they met away & being 4th in the betting for Sam qualifies Donegal for the top table unless you are talking about a very small table!
As for your contention that no Donegal supporters trust Declan, well that is a mystery. Yes, we might well have had questions about some of his management decisions in the past, but believe me he is doing just fine by us at the moment.
Of course a few defeats could change things, that is the way of things & I'd say that Mickey Harte & Stephen Rochford could tell a few stories about that.
Listen fridge, you have more than enough to be worrying about with the way Tyrone are playing at the moment, Donegal are just fine & will be better.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 02/07/2018 23:20:07
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