eyewitness , yep am all hyperupper to , the voice is in tune waiting for the final whistle to blow, tir eoghain abu,

williewentwell (Tyrone) - Posts: 1712 - 17/09/2008 00:41:41    101334

Good morning all. First of all I wish to point out that I'm on here on an official capacity as teacher and the subject I'm researching is Tyrone's journey to Croke Park again.

Although, I live in Fermanagh I teach in Tyrone and I have given an assignment to my students on the subject of Tyrone as they embrace the All Ireland final.

One thing that has struck me is the contribution(s) made on this thread by IrvinestownGael. Although, many in my own county would consider him as a teaser on these message boards, I believe he is quite clever. This fact is borne out in that his cleverly researched analysis of both Tyrone and Kerry are well put to come to a conclusion on the outcome of Sunday's game.

This morning, my students learned from this Fermanagh poster on how to present a topic for debate and agreed that a catchy heading such as "Tyrone are to Cocky" was clever and together with the statistical information therein which generated a surprisingly large response.

It is in these responses that my students were disappointed to find that there was little substance to the Tyrone response. Therefore the question I would ask on behalf of the class "would contributors put forward an honest response as to why Tyrone should win or not on Sunday?". This would be appreciated in order to give the students more intelligent responses to the IrvinestownGael's point of view.

Thank you.

ekn_teacher (Fermanagh) - Posts: 272 - 17/09/2008 11:32:09    101526

Tyrone have more chance of winning the All Ireland than Fermanagh has of surviving being completely submersed in water following global warming, At least we have the Sperrins to fall back on!

On a serious note posters like Irvinestown gael do not deserve oxygen ie. no-one should respond to his obvious wind up thread. I know i did respond at the beginning, but every post on here shouldn't be taken too serious as nobody is actually putting their own names to what they say, so people can literally say anything they want even though there is no substance behind it. Kerry have been winning All irelands since the horse and cart were in action, we only started in '03 for god sake. Why do people post counties achievements 60, 70, 80 years ago as a method of saying Kerry are going to beat Tyrone, which is complete drivel. His facts were questionable in the beginning - Kildare for example?

Team of the millenium - How many of them dudes are playing now? How many of their sons are even playing? give me strength.....

He said he was sick of Tyrone people saying they could win the All Ireland. Well its down to two now so anything is possible. Try listening to local a local radio station all through June and July with a song proclaiming that Fermanagh were going to win the All Ireland when there were still 16 counties in contention for it - was that cocky? - it sure was sickening (the song that is)

There are numerous explainations for why Tyrone can beat Kerry in the final throughout this message board, try the main board for some decent discussions on the subject. One reason is recent history 03 and 05 and as a teacher you should know that 03 + 05 = 08.

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 17/09/2008 12:04:39    101588

I have read back through the thread and I cant find where this well researched material is. The only statistical facts that he has supplied is who Tyrone have played and how many All-Irelands Kerry/Tyrone have won. On the first point, Tyrone can only beat who is put in front of them and they have done that when it matters, they are now hitting form at the right time! Confidence is high/players are at the top of their game and as the final looms there is no better time for this. The second point is so insignificant it wasnt worth a reply. Who cares how many All-Irelands Kerry have won, his assumption is that because Kerry have won more they should win this one, as a teacher perhaps you should point out to your pupils that everyone loves an underdog and that the most popular/successful person does not always have to succeed! So here are a few reasons why Tyrone fans think we can win;
1. Mickey Harte, the man has won numerous All-Irelands so he knows how it is done. There is no better tactician in the game and possibly never has been.
2. Is Irvinestown Gael finds his second point worth something then maybe he should reflect on this, who has won between these two teams on the recent championship times. If we done it then, of course we can do it now. And because of this, Kerry are running scared because they know Tyrone can match them.
3. Its a final! Two teams in a final, one has to win!
4. The players. A new team ethos! The most important aspect, these lads have the belief and hunger to win it. Never underestimate belief and hunger because thats what defines winners and losers, we know because we have won it, something Irvinestown Gael may not understand!
5. Kerry, a great team, have let big leads slip in recent games, they know that if they do that against Tyrone, its cutains for them. Kerry have conceded 2-13, 3-7 & 1-16 in recent games against weaker forward lines.
Personally, I think its going to be a very tight game but I truly believe Tyrone have what it takes to win!

Harpo (Tyrone) - Posts: 50 - 17/09/2008 12:18:03    101611

ekn_teacher, if you are using the ramblings of Irvinestown Gael as a project for your school children, then God help those kids.

The Roll of Honour, team of the Millennium etc. mean flip all for the final - the only thing that can be used is the form guide of both teams going into this game. On this level, Kerry are slight favourites.

Maybe if Shamtown Gael want's a few facts he should also look at the record Fermanagh have in Ulster and in the All-Ireland at senior level. Even allowing for its small size its a disgrace that they have not even won one Ulster title out of over 100. It may have taken until the 1950's for Tyrone to have started to make an impact but have been trying to make up for it since, especially over the last 15 years which has seen Tyrone gain an impressive record at underage, schools, U21 and Senior level. Coaches, clubs, county board officials, the general public, teachers, they've all helped to come together to help make and keep Tyrone playing among the best in Ireland and have put in a great effort over that time to raise the standards in the county. If Fermanagh did the same, they might get somewhere too.

Finally, if Shamtown were playing in Tyrone, they would struggle to beat most of the Intermediate club teams here and I wouldn't be surprised if a few Junior teams beat them too.

Connie Lingus (Tyrone) - Posts: 3 - 17/09/2008 12:55:59    101657

i dont even know why shamtown gael is attacking tyrone...half of irvinestown is in our great county

rayk67 (Tyrone) - Posts: 193 - 17/09/2008 13:33:28    101689

Let's face some facts:

Kerry -
All-Ireland titles: 35
Munster titles: 72
All Stars: 111

Tyrone -
All-Ireland titles: 2
Ulster titles: 11
All Stars: 31

Let me tell you ya big sompy sod buster.. this match is on sunday not 1980. everything above is history and goes amach an Fuinneog

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 17/09/2008 15:02:44    101771

1. Thank you ekn_teacher for recognising my valued contributions to Hoganstand which may not always sit cormfortable with some people. It's great the influence I'm having now in the Tyrone classrooms!

2. rayk67 you know nothing about the geography of Irvinestown. The addressing system may include some Tyrine addresses but these people from there are very much Tyrone or Trillick supoporters and thats way we want it as they are not in the same class football-wise as the true born Irvinestown person.

3. Finally, as the teacher said, why can the Tyrone responses on here not be more comprehensive in order to provke real debate? My feeling is that there is no argument when it comes to who will win on Sunday and thats Kerry as Pat Spillane put it "Tyrone may present some good opportunties for themselves but looking at the gap experience wise between the teams Kerry has to come out on top"!!!

lrvinestownGael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 847 - 17/09/2008 15:41:17    101826

.......And Pat Spillane never gets his ALL Ireland final predictions wrong and what his Granny can and can't do, Ask anyone from the Orchard county!

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 17/09/2008 16:07:24    101867

So Irvinestown Gael, you think that Kerry will win because;

a.) You think they will
b.) Because Kerry have won more All-Irelands
c.) Because Tyrone have no players in the team of the Century
d.) Because Kerry pundits are saying they will

Great research and debate!

Harpo (Tyrone) - Posts: 50 - 17/09/2008 16:16:19    101886

Question. What will happen if Tyrone lose?

Coa_gael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 17/09/2008 16:16:20    101887

If football was played on paper it would be a very simple game...eh?
And if Tyrone loose Kerry win and are deservant All Ireland Champions....

BallBhoy (Tyrone) - Posts: 201 - 17/09/2008 16:40:29    101922

Dont really understand your question but if Tyrone lose, Kerry will win the 3 in a row.
Us Tyrone fans will be proud of our players and management because they have done us proud this year reaching YET ANOTHER All Ireland Final! If you are trying to make the point that Tyrone have not thought about defeat you are completely wrong! Tyrone fans know this will be a hell of a task and that Kerry are a great outfit, however that will make it all the more sweeter if we win!

Harpo (Tyrone) - Posts: 50 - 17/09/2008 16:46:30    101931

Best of luck on Sunday to Tyrone minors and seniors. As a Fermanagh man who was in Croker in 1986, 1995, 1996 semi, 2003 and 2005 supporting you i hope that your lads can carry the day for themselves, their families, clubs, counties and province. Maybe they should let Kerry get an 8 point lead and then reel them in as revenge for 1986!

As for Irvinestown gael, ignore this parasite if you can, he uses genuine gaels to feed his own ego and is a disgrace to himself, his family and club. To follow are some of his comments about Fermanagh throughout the summer. He then had the audacity to congratulate the Irish News All star players he had castigated all summer.

Added 160908 before I became aware that he had turned his attentions to your team
Good to see that Irvinestown Gael is having a wee bit more manners these days although still shows little sign of getting sense. I do however find his slithering back up to the bandwagon a little nauseating though. To follow are just some of the comments he made earlier this year about a Fermanagh team who had 5 allstars selected this year. Seems to me that his analysis was at odds with the Allstar selectors:

Except for some likely good responses from Murphy, Maguire, Little, McCabe and McGrath the rest are not up to the grade.

They have embarrassed our wee county which has been made so much worst by all the media and supporter hype prior to this disasterous outcome as I predicted would happen!

the 3 players that made most impact this season was Eamon Maguire, Mark Little and Shane Goan the rest were well below par!

As for McGrah you speak about... where were was captaincy skills yesterday? Don't talk rubbish to me or hoganstand viewers in this forum about the captain . It doesn't matter what happen before...when the crunch comes you expect more from your team captain and manager and both failed that benchmark yesterday and Fermanagh now has become the laughingstock county in Ireland.

AnFiorGael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 19 - 17/09/2008 18:25:32    102035

Best of luck on Sunday to Tyrone minors and seniors. As a Fermanagh man who was in Croker in 1986, 1995, 1996 semi, 2003 and 2005 supporting you i hope that your lads can carry the day for themselves, their families, clubs, counties and province. Maybe they should let Kerry get an 8 point lead and then reel them in as revenge for 1986!

As for Irvinestown gael, ignore this parasite if you can, he uses genuine gaels to feed his own ego and is a disgrace to himself, his family and club. To follow are some of his comments about Fermanagh throughout the summer. He then had the audacity to congratulate the Irish News All star players he had castigated all summer.

Added 160908 before I became aware that he had turned his attentions to your team
Good to see that Irvinestown Gael is having a wee bit more manners these days although still shows little sign of getting sense. I do however find his slithering back up to the bandwagon a little nauseating though. To follow are just some of the comments he made earlier this year about a Fermanagh team who had 5 allstars selected this year. Seems to me that his analysis was at odds with the Allstar selectors:

Except for some likely good responses from Murphy, Maguire, Little, McCabe and McGrath the rest are not up to the grade.

They have embarrassed our wee county which has been made so much worst by all the media and supporter hype prior to this disasterous outcome as I predicted would happen!

the 3 players that made most impact this season was Eamon Maguire, Mark Little and Shane Goan the rest were well below par!

As for McGrah you speak about... where were was captaincy skills yesterday? Don't talk rubbish to me or hoganstand viewers in this forum about the captain . It doesn't matter what happen before...when the crunch comes you expect more from your team captain and manager and both failed that benchmark yesterday and Fermanagh now has become the laughingstock county in Ireland.

AnFiorGael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 19 - 17/09/2008 18:26:44    102037

IrvinestownGael, isn't it enough that you annoy everyone from Fermanagh on our message board, never mind trying to wind up these ones aswell?? Clearly you don't have anything better to be at, other that finding statistics that you hope will shatter the confidence of the very few tyrone supporters who are actually listening to you.. I'm sure if us Fermanagh supporters were in the same position as the Tyrone supporters that there would be the same, if not even more hype, in Fermanagh than in Tyrone at the minute! Unfortunately we aren't there, but to be honest i reckon that if we were, you'd be the same negative and pessimistic "supporter" that you were before the Ulster final.. So instead of slaggin others, do you not think it would be wiser to just give your own county and other ulster counties a wee bit of support? though no doubt that's too much to ask from you


Anyway, all the best to Tyrone on sunday,both minor and senior, all of ulster (well, apart from IrvinestownGael) are behind you!Good Luck!

gael123 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1 - 17/09/2008 19:21:18    102054

This poor soul who probably doesnt realise that he may live in Tyrone given I'stown is split by the county border, needs to keep takin his tablets. As for the so called glorious TEAM OF THE MILLENIUM, these boys definitely do come equipped with stubble and beer-belly to match.

medaman (Tyrone) - Posts: 64 - 17/09/2008 21:55:53    102095

people in the hazelwood park in irvinestown, what county are they in??? i do believe they are in tyrone

rayk67 (Tyrone) - Posts: 193 - 18/09/2008 13:27:53    102465

Some fresh news for all you hyped-up supporters!

How come if Tyrone is so confident that one of the management team is reported as saying "we have no one to match Colm Cooper...we need another Peter Canavan and until we find that quality of player we will never lift the Sam again"

This is fact said privately by the individual cioncerned at a recent social event. I would name him but Hoganstand would probably and unnderstandly not publish it.

Doubts I'm afraid in the Tyrone camp right at the top!!!

lrvinestownGael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 847 - 18/09/2008 13:49:07    102496

u really expect people to believe that itown geal??? even if it was said it may be just said in good humour.. u really do talk alot of tripe. oh and a question.. how do u explain kerry ever losing? with ur statistic selection any county would have no chance on sunday!

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 18/09/2008 20:12:46    102791