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Replying To kildare73:  "Well considering Kildare were a div 3 team just two years ago I don't think we have showed too badly. I thought for a game that started in driving snow to produce 35 scores and the decider being a great score kicked in the 6th minute of injury time, both teams deserved better than his derision. You are right, he looked like he had the hump from the off. He didn't really look interested in giving an intelligent critique once the Dublin game was over."
Exactly plus the fact there has been a lot of players coming in and out of the team over the last couple of years and I don't know how many of the moorefield players are in ye'r panel but ye'd have them to come back in as well , it wasn't nice by tomás or maybe he was trying to give them something to lay siege with I don't know.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/02/2018 14:42:04    2076253

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Replying To kildare73:  "Yeah I noticed that as well. No mention of the John Small incident either but happy enough to mention the incidents in the Galway/Mayo game then we had O'Se having a move at Kildare and Leinster football in general. Might do him no harm to see where his neighbours in Munster are playing their football. If you aren't the big three then Rte aren't interested."
4 out of 6 munster teams in the top 2 divisions. poor year last year in cship but in 2016...3 into the last 8 and 2 into the last 4 isn't a bad percentage at all in my opinion considering where Munster football has been pretty much historically

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/02/2018 16:24:16    2076312

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Replying To tiobraid:  "4 out of 6 munster teams in the top 2 divisions. poor year last year in cship but in 2016...3 into the last 8 and 2 into the last 4 isn't a bad percentage at all in my opinion considering where Munster football has been pretty much historically"
You can paint stats any way you like and of course Munster in general has improved over the last while but O'Se was out of line last night disparaging Leinster as a province and personalizing Kildare. Next time he wants to look down his nose he should remember he is from a province that has had one provincial winner outside Kerry and Cork in almost 100 years.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 12/02/2018 20:35:22    2076385

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I'm a huge Tomas O'Se fan, both man and player. He must of had a row with someone before they rolled the camera, I agree he looked a bit off and there was no need for his attitude towards Kildare, but in fairness it's not his style.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 12/02/2018 21:12:35    2076391

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Replying To kildare73:  "You can paint stats any way you like and of course Munster in general has improved over the last while but O'Se was out of line last night disparaging Leinster as a province and personalizing Kildare. Next time he wants to look down his nose he should remember he is from a province that has had one provincial winner outside Kerry and Cork in almost 100 years."
Marc o'se Would know away more about football than tomás or Darragh, he's coaching Tralee CBS and they've made it to the chorn UI mhuire final for the second year in a row.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/02/2018 21:23:23    2076395

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Replying To waynoI:  "Let's not fool ourselves here, the only reason they gave Armagh and Longford the 2 min division 3 slot is cause the Monaghan v Kerry game in Monaghan was called off and the Armagh venue was the closest one to have a game. Louth where playing down in Cork, Meath and Cavan originally where meant to play on Saturday then was called off on the Sunday aswell, Derry and Offaly was called off and Tyrone where down in new bridge

It's like this though, it's all about ratings and viewing figures for the national broadcaster. Ever notice when threads like these appear there is a plethora of people lining up to agree that it's rubbish ? And yet, the reason you all know and have an opinion is cause you tuned in in anycase knowing from the same experiences every year that the analysis is brief in the extreme, and little to no coverage of divisions 2-4 is given, but nothing has changed cause they haven't had to cause we all or the majority of us continue to tune in"
Agreed, exactly the only reason cameras went to the Athletic grounds.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 12/02/2018 21:26:32    2076396

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The tension between both analysts was obvious. Cavanagh & O'Se clearly dont get on. No love lost between Kerry & Tyrone.

Remember Cavanagh's Tyrone team on the 00's regularly got the best of O'Se's Kerry team's. Also Moy beat (or should i say performed a smash n' grab) An Gaeltacht in the semi final of Intermediate club championship earlier last month.

Maybe I'm wrong but O'Se has won everything possible in the game, like Cavanagh, all except the recently claimed Intermediate Club Championship. (I know O'Se can possibility equal that if his adopted Nemo Rangers can muster 2 mire victories). I would sense O'Se didnt want to be there.

Just an opinion.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 12/02/2018 21:40:16    2076397

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Sorry boys but rte coverage of football is tripe.. you can get the same game 3 times in a weekend if you're so inclined
Yes div 1 is box office but come on the same 8 teams over n over give me strength .. take the beeb for example they squeeze in 20 teams every weekend for soccer coverage. And yes standard of punditry shocking though I did enjoy watching ok look like he was sucking on lemons as he listened in on moy's great day in Croke Park lol

AnBuachaillGlas (Fermanagh) - Posts: 287 - 12/02/2018 23:45:13    2076419

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "I thought Tomas criticism was way of the mark was very dismissive of them..I was over at the Kildare v Tyrone game and to suggest it was poor game was rubbish I wonder how much of the game he actually seen...Kildare were very good against Dublin in the first half, should have beaten monaghan and were more than a match for Tyrone...bit of luck and they would be sitting on 4pts now."
Thomas O'shea is very sloppy in what he says. Sure last year he said that Meath Supporters where booing the team. "A good source said " Pure rubbish. RTE always have someone controversial on there panels. This is true for Soccer, Rugby and GAA. We all know them.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1269 - 13/02/2018 09:57:12    2076451

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Ok I guess RTE isnt the most wealthiest and I do think this time of the year RTE Sports put their eggs in the rugby basket more than any other sport.

I think we can take it for granted at this stage that League Sunday will really only Division 1 games.
But I wonder if there is a market for other stations as RTE wont do it to have a Football League show on the Monday night showing highlights from Div 2-4.
A bit like Sky Sports have their Premier League Show and then the Football League show.

As for Tomas's comments regarding Kildare/Cian O Neill I think it comes down to the fat i don't think the Kerry players were overly impressed with his training methods during his time down south.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 13/02/2018 11:03:28    2076469

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Two gas men I'd say
Tomás always looks like he's lost the winning lotto ticket, Cavanagh generally looks like he's found it.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 13/02/2018 11:10:44    2076474

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Two gas men I'd say
Tomás always looks like he's lost the winning lotto ticket, Cavanagh generally looks like he's found it."
:-) !!!!

Spot on. Hilarious.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 926 - 13/02/2018 11:29:53    2076478

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Replying To woops:  "Ok I guess RTE isnt the most wealthiest and I do think this time of the year RTE Sports put their eggs in the rugby basket more than any other sport.

I think we can take it for granted at this stage that League Sunday will really only Division 1 games.
But I wonder if there is a market for other stations as RTE wont do it to have a Football League show on the Monday night showing highlights from Div 2-4.
A bit like Sky Sports have their Premier League Show and then the Football League show.

As for Tomas's comments regarding Kildare/Cian O Neill I think it comes down to the fat i don't think the Kerry players were overly impressed with his training methods during his time down south."
Woops RTÉ don't even have the rugby anymore it's tv3 that has it, you'd be wondering what our tv license money gets spent on.
And ya a few of the old Kerry players didn't like O'Neill but tomás needs to get over that.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/02/2018 12:03:06    2076489

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The two pundits did strike a very contrasting image. O Se slouched on his seat I thought he was going to come off the end of it, sort of constant scowl on his face, too cool for school, deriding Kildare and Tyrone as eye sores. Cavanagh on the other hand looked like a grinning Cheshire cat who got the cream and looked a bit weird now and again cause he was so out of place against the other two doomsday agents. Cavanagh is a happy guy and was happy to be on the tele.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 13/02/2018 12:18:49    2076496

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Two gas men I'd say
Tomás always looks like he's lost the winning lotto ticket, Cavanagh generally looks like he's found it."
Brilliant!! That's them in a nutshell:D

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 13/02/2018 12:20:30    2076498

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Replying To woops:  "Ok I guess RTE isnt the most wealthiest and I do think this time of the year RTE Sports put their eggs in the rugby basket more than any other sport.

I think we can take it for granted at this stage that League Sunday will really only Division 1 games.
But I wonder if there is a market for other stations as RTE wont do it to have a Football League show on the Monday night showing highlights from Div 2-4.
A bit like Sky Sports have their Premier League Show and then the Football League show.

As for Tomas's comments regarding Kildare/Cian O Neill I think it comes down to the fat i don't think the Kerry players were overly impressed with his training methods during his time down south."
If they are going to have a lad on ripping apart two teams in the lower reaches of div 1then imagine what he'd say about the other divisions. Maybe they are having a lucky escape!
Whether he's likes O'Neill or not shouldn't come into it. He's paid to analyse a game, not bring his personal agendas into it. Although on RTE I suppose that's not a new thing. Hope they give him his Rusks before he is on next.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 13/02/2018 12:28:38    2076501

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Replying To kildare73:  "You can paint stats any way you like and of course Munster in general has improved over the last while but O'Se was out of line last night disparaging Leinster as a province and personalizing Kildare. Next time he wants to look down his nose he should remember he is from a province that has had one provincial winner outside Kerry and Cork in almost 100 years."
I didn't hear his comments but all I know is your comments are very disparaging about Munster teams and you have "painted" a stat yourself of something about 100 years! Dublin with 11 wins from 12 isn't much better if you are going down the stats route!
My point being - what has his comments on Kildare got to do with Tipp, Clare, Waterford or Limerick? By the sounds of it he was analysing Kildare and not other counties so why bring them into it?
RTE and TG4 provide a fantastic service for an amateur game.
People on here are complaining about no coverage for games in lower divisions where some games are doing extremely well to get 1000 people to go to. So why would our national broadcaster give these games much if any air time when the people of their own counties don't bother attending?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/02/2018 12:28:39    2076502

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Two gas men I'd say
Tomás always looks like he's lost the winning lotto ticket, Cavanagh generally looks like he's found it."
Tomás waxing lyrical about Donegal putting it up to Dublin. Séan's shut the f*** up reply 'I don't believe in moral victories' !

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8004 - 13/02/2018 12:38:08    2076504

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Replying To woops:  "Ok I guess RTE isnt the most wealthiest and I do think this time of the year RTE Sports put their eggs in the rugby basket more than any other sport.

I think we can take it for granted at this stage that League Sunday will really only Division 1 games.
But I wonder if there is a market for other stations as RTE wont do it to have a Football League show on the Monday night showing highlights from Div 2-4.
A bit like Sky Sports have their Premier League Show and then the Football League show.

As for Tomas's comments regarding Kildare/Cian O Neill I think it comes down to the fat i don't think the Kerry players were overly impressed with his training methods during his time down south."
They get all the TV licence money, the lion's share of terrestial TV advertising money and they are looking for an increase in the licence fee. People have plenty of viewing options now either live or other formats, not just sport.

They should be sold to an interested party, if any, cut the deadwood and try making some money. Or close Montrose, sell the land which is surely worth a fortune.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8004 - 13/02/2018 12:44:50    2076506

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I didn't hear his comments but all I know is your comments are very disparaging about Munster teams and you have "painted" a stat yourself of something about 100 years! Dublin with 11 wins from 12 isn't much better if you are going down the stats route!
My point being - what has his comments on Kildare got to do with Tipp, Clare, Waterford or Limerick? By the sounds of it he was analysing Kildare and not other counties so why bring them into it?
RTE and TG4 provide a fantastic service for an amateur game.
People on here are complaining about no coverage for games in lower divisions where some games are doing extremely well to get 1000 people to go to. So why would our national broadcaster give these games much if any air time when the people of their own counties don't bother attending?"
1. Maybe you should actually look at his comments before you comment yourself. He didn't "analyse" the game at all. He picked a few missed kicks on a horrible day to comment on and then downed the county and province as a whole.
2. You were the one who introduced the stats, I just gave you one that gives the big picture rather than going back a couple of years like you did. O'Se derided what is next in Leinster to Dublin but doesn't have a problem with his own county and Cork dividing up Munster between them for a century.
3. I don't think too many here will agree with your assessment of RTE providing excellent coverage. It's pretty poor stuff. After the Dublin/Donegal game which they lauded, they went heavy on the incidents in the Galway/Mayo game and then only for Cavanagh being there, hadn't a decent thing to say about a pretty intense game in Newbridge, played in horrible conditions.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 13/02/2018 13:06:53    2076512

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