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Replying To hunting: "Throw off the shackles sat night, go 15 on 15. Start thompkins, colm kehoe, Dunbar, firman etc...we have nothing to lose.go for it chin centre foward , Mac at edge of square. Is there any chance guiney might be back after the kk game? Anyone in the know on him." Dunno bout Guiney but weve a Leinster final place to lose. Id like to be going up to Croke Park again next month! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15757 - 04/06/2018 22:45:42 2107484 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Agree about the wind. The worst example was the qualifier against Cork. In fairness to Davy hes a Clare man. Hes unlikely to understand the mysteries of the wind at Wexford park. And for some reason its harder to understand at the town end. I've never seen so many wides by visiting teams at any other end of any ground in the country. Even our own lads dont seem to be great shooting into that end. The training during the week before the Galway game doesnt surprise me. Maybe he wanted us a little flat. I still think he did the same before the KK league semifinal but maybe Im thinking too much. We ll see how sharp we are Saturday in Nowlan Park." Wexfords wides are ridiculous at this stage, how are we expected to win championship games and hit 12 to 15 wides every game, we are not improving there. Also ridiculous to have O Keefee shooting as he only scores 1in 4, surprised Davy hasn't stopped that, while an accurate ball into Mac or Rory could pay huge dividends .Mac needs to be fed balls where he is having the advantage as ball in hand he usually very good but by lumping high balls for the sake of it is not good enough. We do need to throw the kitchen sink at KK this weekend, no excuses, if players are not standing up whip them off as they are after getting too many chances. It was terrible in Wexford park against them in league semi, they just lied down and took their beating similar to Galway last weekend,it was embarrassing, if they have any fight in them we need to see it this weekend. Would agree on Dunne getting a run and maybe Tompkins if fit as he a strong lad. Firman for Donohoe as well.be great to see 15 on 15 but we ain't gonna see that. Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 181 - 04/06/2018 22:53:55 2107490 Link
Replying To hurler101: "Have you gone mad or is that sarcasm?? Hard to tell when there is no tone but its ridiculous enough to be sarcasm!" Explain? What ridiculous? Going 15 on 15?or trying out some of the panel to freshen things up, after 4 weeks in a row? hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1135 - 04/06/2018 23:41:33 2107506 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i honestly can't believe what is posted on here.to suggest that Davy trained the lads to lose the 2biggest games we have had in the park,and it is all part of some bigger plan for the team to be flat,is nothing short of comical. i could understand Galway with their depth of talent doing that,but do people really think wexford want to be going to Kilkenny to get into Leinster final? afinestick Davy said they only trained once last week,so somebody is lying..... the difference between now galway beat us and galway beat kk is kk died with their boots on and went down fighting and trying to win the game.we went down with a whimper and had absolutely no plan to try get a goal of two.feck it we might as well have been bet by another 10 points trying to win the match,I think Davy is more about saving davys face at times instead of saying " sheep or a lamb".at least try to win the match.what was it einstein said about insanity?" Kk only scored 1-2 from play lad and the 1 was a consolation when Galway were mentally back in the dressingroom. Our lads stayed moving and playing for the entire 70. The match was lost in the 1st 3 or 4 minutes of each half. If you take out the scores those times it would have been a draw. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15757 - 05/06/2018 07:26:36 2107530 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i honestly can't believe what is posted on here.to suggest that Davy trained the lads to lose the 2biggest games we have had in the park,and it is all part of some bigger plan for the team to be flat,is nothing short of comical. i could understand Galway with their depth of talent doing that,but do people really think wexford want to be going to Kilkenny to get into Leinster final? afinestick Davy said they only trained once last week,so somebody is lying..... the difference between now galway beat us and galway beat kk is kk died with their boots on and went down fighting and trying to win the game.we went down with a whimper and had absolutely no plan to try get a goal of two.feck it we might as well have been bet by another 10 points trying to win the match,I think Davy is more about saving davys face at times instead of saying " sheep or a lamb".at least try to win the match.what was it einstein said about insanity?" Kk only scored 1-2 from play lad and the 1 was a consolation when Galway were mentally back in the dressingroom. Our lads stayed moving and playing for the entire 70. Although I dont care what u say we looked tired from the throw in. The match was lost in the 1st 3 or 4 minutes of each half. If you take out the scores at those times it would have been a draw. Were you at the game? Kilkenny had no plan to get a goal either. Walter Walsh caught the ball drove on through a switched off defense and scored 1. If wed of "lost by another 10" then a draw wouldnt do us now. Which it does as it stands. Sheep, lamb, face doesnt matter- getting to the Leinster final is the goal after staying in 1a. Not the League final. Nor beating Galway in the round robin. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15757 - 05/06/2018 07:33:16 2107532 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Kk only scored 1-2 from play lad and the 1 was a consolation when Galway were mentally back in the dressingroom. Our lads stayed moving and playing for the entire 70. Although I dont care what u say we looked tired from the throw in. The match was lost in the 1st 3 or 4 minutes of each half. If you take out the scores at those times it would have been a draw. Were you at the game? Kilkenny had no plan to get a goal either. Walter Walsh caught the ball drove on through a switched off defense and scored 1. If wed of "lost by another 10" then a draw wouldnt do us now. Which it does as it stands. Sheep, lamb, face doesnt matter- getting to the Leinster final is the goal after staying in 1a. Not the League final. Nor beating Galway in the round robin." An AISF would be nice too because at that stage anything could happen..... Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15757 - 05/06/2018 08:19:15 2107537 Link
All talk about retaining div 1 status, when you consider that Galway have been in div 1 B for the last two years and are all Ireland champions and demolished Wexford last Saturday. Shadow boxing me eye! There was no mention of fatigue when we played a very poor Offaly team, and surely that game couldn't of taken that much out of the players. Wex didn't train hard the Sunday morning after playing Offaly, as I met a few players in the Riverside after their recovery session in the pool. Any mickey mouse coach knows you wouldn't train hard the day after a match. As was the case in the league semi final v KK, the team train didn't hard the week before a match.. but it's a ready made excuse. On reflection, in the league semi, another really poor performance in Wexford park as we didn't score from play from the entire 35 mins. castletownman (Wexford) - Posts: 262 - 05/06/2018 08:27:22 2107539 Link
He is right though, being beaten by another 10 points wouldn't have mattered. Being beaten by 20 would. We needed a draw or better v Kilkenny. We continued to try do what exactly compared to what Kilkenny did? Run the ball into contact, try throw it off to another outnumbered player and Galway hoovered it up? That was all I seen us doing. We never ran at the full back line once. Talk about ball into Rory and Mc instead of Dee shooting is rubbish too because anything that went in came back out as quick. We either go 15 on 15 or we accept that long range pot shots will be the norm. I would rather goalmouth action and excitement myself. Jaysis lads will ya forget about Jack Guiney. He has done nothing for us. 1 good match where he got a goal v Clare is the extent of it. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 05/06/2018 08:29:51 2107540 Link
It mad if wexford had their hardest training session of the year the day after the offaly game. If a player said it surely its true. You would bever know with davy when he said they trained once during the week he could have meant monday to friday. Im not sure we were actually flat either, we could have been simply outclassed which I thought we were. I thought we fought hard. Our touch, stricking and decision making were terrible but the lads got around the field and hasseled all day. We might not have won any 50-50s because Galway are a bigger team than us. It was the same in the leinster final last year after anweek or two off. I dont think we should be flat come Saturday night. If he knows they are flat then he should just rest them this week and bring in a few new faces, simple as. I think hes blowing this all up more than it should. As for "betting your house on Kilkenny" mind games or not that shouldnt be said it was a disgrace. I nearly got sick when I heard it. I thought he was all about fighting to the end and never saying die? But he's going out next Saturday thinking they will lose. I thought we left this defeated attitude behind us a year ago. We can go toe to toe with anyone if we perform. I dont think he has put our best players in a position to succeed. He settled on a team months ago and hasnt swayed at all from it. I understand trying to keep your spine but this is a bit of a joke. Playing the same team 3 weeks in a row and complaining about burnout when he has control of who he puts out on the field. I personally think we are better than kk and have enough in the tank to not only beat them but batter them like last year. We have the talent the lads just need to believe and perform. Wexboi92 (Wexford) - Posts: 74 - 05/06/2018 08:37:27 2107544 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Kk only scored 1-2 from play lad and the 1 was a consolation when Galway were mentally back in the dressingroom. Our lads stayed moving and playing for the entire 70. Although I dont care what u say we looked tired from the throw in. The match was lost in the 1st 3 or 4 minutes of each half. If you take out the scores at those times it would have been a draw. Were you at the game? Kilkenny had no plan to get a goal either. Walter Walsh caught the ball drove on through a switched off defense and scored 1. If wed of "lost by another 10" then a draw wouldnt do us now. Which it does as it stands. Sheep, lamb, face doesnt matter- getting to the Leinster final is the goal after staying in 1a. Not the League final. Nor beating Galway in the round robin." Have to agree with @perfect10 , there's no show like a Davy show! It's never Davy's fault when the team collapses on the bigger days over the last two years. You can train a team to death in Oct/Nov and Dec to get them ready for a league but as we've seen over the last two years teams, when we get to the semi's teams have caught up and we've have collapsed, big time. We got lucky to beat Dublin in Wexford park, and we've only had one system the last two years with a sweeper and when that doesn't work we've no Plan B. How do you ever expect to get the best out of Conor Mac with a two man full forward line, we're not playing to our strengths. How do you expect to beat the better teams with 5 forwards. In our last two important games against KK in league and Galway, our half backs are not allowed to attack up the field, end of game plan... Could anyone tell me what's the story with Podge Doran (6-4), Guiney (6-3), James Breen (who could hold TJ Reid last year), and we're talking about not having physicality around the pitch, the players are there, why are not playing or are they not happy to play under Davy's system. castletownman (Wexford) - Posts: 262 - 05/06/2018 08:41:46 2107546 Link
Replying To hunting: "Explain? What ridiculous? Going 15 on 15?or trying out some of the panel to freshen things up, after 4 weeks in a row?" Whats ridiculous is wanting to start players who have not played a minute all year. Why in the name of good would you think they are up to it?? On what are you basing calls for them to start?? Bring back Guiney?? A lad who has consistanly not lived uo to his name, a name inflated by his constant absence!! hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 05/06/2018 09:20:44 2107554 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Kk only scored 1-2 from play lad and the 1 was a consolation when Galway were mentally back in the dressingroom. Our lads stayed moving and playing for the entire 70. The match was lost in the 1st 3 or 4 minutes of each half. If you take out the scores those times it would have been a draw." Alot of bull is written on this forum. We're the greatest county for overreaction ether after a win or lose. The lads worked their hardest on the weekend but we're fatigued. An example I saw both Jacko and O Keefe tracking their man for yards and getting a hook on their man. They were simply beaten by the best team in Ireland that should easily win this All Ireland. Playing 3 weeks in a row has proven to be very difficult as no team has won playing 3 in a row. 4 will be impossible in my opinion and KK probably will beat us but it might be no harm, get to a QF fresh, avoid another potential beating by Galway, and I'd give us a great chance to get to a semi-final. Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 05/06/2018 10:05:19 2107575 Link
Replying To castletownman: "Have to agree with @perfect10 , there's no show like a Davy show! It's never Davy's fault when the team collapses on the bigger days over the last two years. You can train a team to death in Oct/Nov and Dec to get them ready for a league but as we've seen over the last two years teams, when we get to the semi's teams have caught up and we've have collapsed, big time. We got lucky to beat Dublin in Wexford park, and we've only had one system the last two years with a sweeper and when that doesn't work we've no Plan B. How do you ever expect to get the best out of Conor Mac with a two man full forward line, we're not playing to our strengths. How do you expect to beat the better teams with 5 forwards. In our last two important games against KK in league and Galway, our half backs are not allowed to attack up the field, end of game plan... Could anyone tell me what's the story with Podge Doran (6-4), Guiney (6-3), James Breen (who could hold TJ Reid last year), and we're talking about not having physicality around the pitch, the players are there, why are not playing or are they not happy to play under Davy's system." Breen is in America, he had a farming accident around November I heard as well so ether way he'd be out. Doran has retired and Guiney is a Guiney so he'd fall out with his shadow. Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 05/06/2018 10:08:25 2107578 Link
My big worry from Saturday night regardless of the poor performance is that the game plan Wexford have fine tuned over the past few years was tore to shreds by Galway. After that we had no Plan B .. We beat Kilkenny in 3 competitive games also over the past few seasons but they have now beaten us in the last two and also seem to have worked out this plan .. Some of my thoughts 1) 7 days earlier against Offaly we go 15-15 , We were 10 points down and still played with a sweeper .. Why? 2) Fouling ... I don't care if you are the best hurling team in Ireland or the worst hurling team in Ireland ... Every team usually has a good free taker. For whatever reason if an opposing player is getting away from a Wexford player we are grabbing their arm ... 9/10 we are blown for this .. This is such a Davy tactic and used widely by Clare back when they won the All-Ireland .. Donal Og highlighted it and now Refs are so canny to it .. Why don't players have confidence in their ability that if a player has the ball they will get a hook or a block in .. Limerick / Cork game on Saturday night was a fine example of how to defend and tackle 3) MOH - nothing against the chap but I have no idea what his role is in this Wexford team. His serious lack of speed and ability to strike .. For me he should of been whipped off well before half time on Saturday .. 4) Guiney - no idea what happened here but I don't believe the 'not fit' excuse .. I had heard the players wanted him gone .. if so fair enough .. but we are seriously struggling with forwards .. I'd imagine if you were an unused sub the other night you'd be fair annoyed MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 183 - 05/06/2018 10:12:09 2107579 Link
well if we had thrown dunbar and dunne in on saturday it might have given a full back line who i think were all on yellow cards from early on (?) something to think about if they were ip against fast pacy players. whether or not they would have made any difference,who knows,but i would have taken both conor mc and chin (who remember has spent the whole winter telling anyone who will listen that hes a full time hurler because he will hurl that much better without a job) off in their place. and well regarding the training,stories are stories. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 05/06/2018 10:27:24 2107588 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Dunno bout Guiney but weve a Leinster final place to lose. Id like to be going up to Croke Park again next month!" What about Andrew Shore 6 foot 6 and still hasn't played under Davy? castletownman (Wexford) - Posts: 262 - 05/06/2018 11:13:24 2107610 Link
Replying To perfect10: "well if we had thrown dunbar and dunne in on saturday it might have given a full back line who i think were all on yellow cards from early on (?) something to think about if they were ip against fast pacy players. whether or not they would have made any difference,who knows,but i would have taken both conor mc and chin (who remember has spent the whole winter telling anyone who will listen that hes a full time hurler because he will hurl that much better without a job) off in their place. and well regarding the training,stories are stories." and training camps in Portugal are training camps.. where players will have been fatigued and worked etc. We should be well able to handle these demands, it's not like we didn't know this would be the lay out of the championship this year, and the physical demands on us. We've had similar demands in previous campaigns, and were well able to handle it. castletownman (Wexford) - Posts: 262 - 05/06/2018 11:19:41 2107615 Link
Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Alot of bull is written on this forum. We're the greatest county for overreaction ether after a win or lose. The lads worked their hardest on the weekend but we're fatigued. An example I saw both Jacko and O Keefe tracking their man for yards and getting a hook on their man. They were simply beaten by the best team in Ireland that should easily win this All Ireland. Playing 3 weeks in a row has proven to be very difficult as no team has won playing 3 in a row. 4 will be impossible in my opinion and KK probably will beat us but it might be no harm, get to a QF fresh, avoid another potential beating by Galway, and I'd give us a great chance to get to a semi-final." "The lads worked their hardest on the weekend but we're fatigued" - Chin didn't work his hardest for the first goal .. He stopped and his man continued going forward MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 183 - 05/06/2018 12:04:37 2107632 Link
Replying To castletownman: "What about Andrew Shore 6 foot 6 and still hasn't played under Davy?" Injured last year, over in spain this year bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 05/06/2018 12:06:40 2107633 Link
Replying To castletownman: "What about Andrew Shore 6 foot 6 and still hasn't played under Davy?" Is he not living away? logger (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 05/06/2018 12:08:10 2107635 Link