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In fairness today you'd have to tip your hat to galway there an absolute machine at the moment, if they maintain there form I think only tipp if they rediscover there top form and maybe limerick are the only sides who could compete with them, cork have the forwards but galway would tear there defence to pieces.with the exception of tipp in last years semi final galway have swated aside every opponent in championship for 2017 and 18, tells you everything.

Big concern to me is the form of Chin and Mac, back in 2016 they were carrying the team and today they were anonymous, I'd echo the concerns regards Chin's media activities off the field, he's putting a target on his back for opponents and when there's a dip in form all aspects need to be looked at, both lee and conor are capable of so much better.

It's a glaring fact that thus far no team out for a 3rd weekend in a row has won. If we were facing kk under normal circumstances I'd see it as a 50/50 game but we're up against it now.

Taught the ref had a poor outing today but obviously had no impact on the result, let's just say the sergio Ramos comparison galway were given by a journalist during the week is fair comment

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 03/06/2018 01:24:49    2106632

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Is no one looking at centre back this is the most important position on the field and we dont have one.

conbar (Wexford) - Posts: 3 - 03/06/2018 01:54:53    2106633

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Replying To dumptruck1:  "A serious reality check, important to remember that Galway are a serious outfit, we simply couldn't cope with their size and physicality. Few worrying things, why didn't we empty the bench given the kk game next week, chin needs to get back to basics, so disappointing it's unreal, Murphy's distribution was shocking, thought Aidan Nolan stood up well. Was a shocking spectacle tho, the sweeper system has brought us a fair way but when it goes wrong and u persist with it it's very deflating. RThink Reck is wasted corner back. Will be a huge ask to go to kk next week and win, but Galway really look the outstanding team, Canning as good as I've ever seen, magnificent hurler"
As i see it the sweeper system relies heavily on three basic fundamentals to make it work: 1. Short puck outs corner backs or wing backs who carry the ball at pace down the wings or through the middle 2. lay the ball off around the middle to another player to shoot for a point from distance 3. lessen the chances of the opposition scoring goals. The objective being to score twenty three or four points and hope that's enough to win the game. Unfortunately today we failed spectacularly on all fronts. Galway knew our game and blocked up the wings and anytime we tried to carry the ball up the wing the player our player ended up going over the sideline or loosing the ball. When we tried to carry it through the middle we were smothered and the ball was turned over. It both scenarios we gave away cheep frees out of frustration.
The big negatives of the system are the detrimental effect it has on the inside forwards as the fact that by vitrue of playing that system, we give the opposition and extra back. It's very labour intensive and when playing the top teams (as today) we don't even get one shot on goal. As much as I dislike the system it's here to stay for this year as it's too late to change it now and unfortunately we have no plan B.
I thought the sideline was very poor at seeing where the problems were and trying any corrective action until it was too late and in some cases, they took off the wrong players.

gminor (Wexford) - Posts: 488 - 03/06/2018 02:19:27    2106634

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I have serious issues with the hurling championship. And thats hurling every week. i honestly believe players well suffer in the long run. and when the u21s start, that could be to games in a week for them. And its all so the gaa can have its so called super 8s football. Its done fuck all for the clubs. Its football that needs to be sorted out. The huling championship was ok. Yes maybe they could have tightened up the games abit. but weekly is ridiculous. Plus i dont think its fair that ont team drops in leinster while no one in munster. But im not suprised by that, Leinster hurling was always the poor relation to the gaa. ps good luck sunday

cats34 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 14 - 03/06/2018 07:18:24    2106640

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Wiped out in every part of the field,the size and physicality of the Galway team was too much for our lads and we couldn't match them at all question is can we recover in time for what is waiting next weekend,was a pleasure to see canning in the flesh what a classy hurler he is but he isn't alone some very fine hurlers in that Galway team and they won be far away again this year

purple2 (Wexford) - Posts: 15 - 03/06/2018 07:50:38    2106643

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Replying To cats34:  "I have serious issues with the hurling championship. And thats hurling every week. i honestly believe players well suffer in the long run. and when the u21s start, that could be to games in a week for them. And its all so the gaa can have its so called super 8s football. Its done fuck all for the clubs. Its football that needs to be sorted out. The huling championship was ok. Yes maybe they could have tightened up the games abit. but weekly is ridiculous. Plus i dont think its fair that ont team drops in leinster while no one in munster. But im not suprised by that, Leinster hurling was always the poor relation to the gaa. ps good luck sunday "
It should be moved to under 20 hurling and senior panelist not allowed to play. Were many club football games called off in kilkenny this year or just hurling?

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 03/06/2018 09:50:56    2106658

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I agree with some comments lads but are we being a bit harsh on our lads???? I do agree though about chin he needs to stay out of the media and pick up a bit of form i think he only played well against cork and tipp in the league this year... as for McDonald he is a out and out full forward and we haven't seen the best of him since this sweeper system started...not his fault... Murphy for me has to be removed from sweeper or needs to be seriously gave a good bollocking about his distribution it was cat today.... as for the center back position I think o hanlon as done ok there since Davy as took over... for me canning has got better from last year and not many people would of kept him quite... just remember how well o hanlon did last year kept Walsh canning scoreless from play against kk and Galway and held gleeson to a point against Waterford in quarters...massive ask next week to go to Nolan park and try get a win to play 4 weeks in a row is stuipid... I would like to see us give it everything as we wil have a month off before Leinster final... if thinks go wrong we still are in pelimary quarter final where we play joe mcdonagh winner or losers... win that we are in quarter final proper anything can happen after that

gannett83 (Wexford) - Posts: 313 - 03/06/2018 10:07:08    2106662

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Replying To conbar:  "Is no one looking at centre back this is the most important position on the field and we dont have one."
I think Conor Firman should start, Lee Chin or Padraig Foley should be tried at centre back, Mathew O'Hanlon and Shaun Murphy to wing back, Aidan Nolan mid field, Dee O'Keeffe to wing forward. We should start 15 on 15 against KK as they will be planning how they will deal with the sweeper system and how they will use their extra man. Then revert to the sweeper as a plan B if necessary. Trust our players to do a job because if we don't freshen things up for the next day, it's cutains. We have good fast forwards on the bench who can get in around backs and score goals but it would have been futile to bring them on yesterday.

gminor (Wexford) - Posts: 488 - 03/06/2018 10:18:49    2106666

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Looking at the kk game theirs 2 critical factors in my opinion, we need someone to torture and torment TJ like Breen did last year, it is 100% playing on and maybe over the edge but it worked last year, also in the 2 league encounters this year Buckley got an armchair ride at CB we need someone to pressure him like keaney did for Dublin a few weeks ago, although he didn't have a big impact yesterday someone like Jacko could possibly be the man for the job

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 03/06/2018 11:09:05    2106689

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "
Replying To cats34:  "I have serious issues with the hurling championship. And thats hurling every week. i honestly believe players well suffer in the long run. and when the u21s start, that could be to games in a week for them. And its all so the gaa can have its so called super 8s football. Its done fuck all for the clubs. Its football that needs to be sorted out. The huling championship was ok. Yes maybe they could have tightened up the games abit. but weekly is ridiculous. Plus i dont think its fair that ont team drops in leinster while no one in munster. But im not suprised by that, Leinster hurling was always the poor relation to the gaa. ps good luck sunday "
It should be moved to under 20 hurling and senior panelist not allowed to play. Were many club football games called off in kilkenny this year or just hurling?"
Changing to that would only suit bigger counties as it does in football. Just because your beloved football changed doesnt make it the correct thing to do!!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 03/06/2018 11:27:50    2106694

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More doom and gloom lads! Thought apart from the fast start Galway got to each half we held our own against a big talented team who have been playing together for the last 5 or so years. We looked nervous in the first 5 or 10 mins. And we looked tired after playing 2 games in a row previously. I dont know how we will look against KK next weekend. Im hoping some of the lads were playing a bit within themselves. Tough ask going the fourth week. Remember how flat we were against Limerick in the AIQF after 3 matches against Clare and Waterford? At the same time KK also lost to Galway by 9 points and only got 3 scores from play so on form we have every chance if the lads can get up for it!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15640 - 03/06/2018 11:37:02    2106698

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "
Replying To cats34:  "I have serious issues with the hurling championship. And thats hurling every week. i honestly believe players well suffer in the long run. and when the u21s start, that could be to games in a week for them. And its all so the gaa can have its so called super 8s football. Its done fuck all for the clubs. Its football that needs to be sorted out. The huling championship was ok. Yes maybe they could have tightened up the games abit. but weekly is ridiculous. Plus i dont think its fair that ont team drops in leinster while no one in munster. But im not suprised by that, Leinster hurling was always the poor relation to the gaa. ps good luck sunday "
It should be moved to under 20 hurling and senior panelist not allowed to play. Were many club football games called off in kilkenny this year or just hurling?"
I agree with you 100% on that mate. Some football. I think maybe if games where every 2 or 3 weeks. Give players a chance to recover. Ye got a cunt of a draw. 4 weeks on the trot aint right. I just think its wrong. Now maybe some like it that way.

cats34 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 14 - 03/06/2018 11:40:55    2106700

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A year on, still 10 points, no progress.
A horrible style of hurling carrying no goal threat whatsoever. 5 against Offaly and probably 5 in the previous 10 matches.
That referee was terrible, the physio brigade from Galway stopping the game at every chance, it was a flat, dour, insipid evening.
I couldn't wait to get home, sitting for an hour and a half before to get a good seat just adds to the boredom, no offence to the hurlers of St. Kevin's and Allendale. Why can't people buy an assigned seat like every other ground? Wexford Park is very accessible yet we have traffic chaos every time we have a match?
It has not been entertaining watching our hurlers this year and that is the reality. When did we last have thrilling exhilarating hurling in front of us? A winning point v Dublin is the highlight of the year probably? Dear god.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/06/2018 18:18:23    2106948

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Badly need to shake things up. Backs and forwards not good enough yesterday. We should use the spare man like cork and drive good ball to the forwards.

Fanning

C Firman
M Hanlon
L Ryan

S Murphy

P Foley
L Chin
J O'Connor

D Reck
D O'Keefe

A Nolan
K Foley
R O'Connor

C McDonald
Liam og

the_post (USA) - Posts: 186 - 03/06/2018 18:47:24    2106974

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Replying To Pinkie:  "A year on, still 10 points, no progress.
A horrible style of hurling carrying no goal threat whatsoever. 5 against Offaly and probably 5 in the previous 10 matches.
That referee was terrible, the physio brigade from Galway stopping the game at every chance, it was a flat, dour, insipid evening.
I couldn't wait to get home, sitting for an hour and a half before to get a good seat just adds to the boredom, no offence to the hurlers of St. Kevin's and Allendale. Why can't people buy an assigned seat like every other ground? Wexford Park is very accessible yet we have traffic chaos every time we have a match?
It has not been entertaining watching our hurlers this year and that is the reality. When did we last have thrilling exhilarating hurling in front of us? A winning point v Dublin is the highlight of the year probably? Dear god."
Fair points Pinkie, but are our backs good enough to go man on man? We are still conceding big scores. The problem we have is no goal threat whatsoever, that and the wides. Dee O Keefee in his last 3 games has shot 11 wides and scored 2, this BS cannot continue. He has time and space to pick out a forward but continues to drive wide after wide. Now it can be said that our forwards are struggling to win ball as well. We do Need a few players to add to what we have, they currently not on the bench am unsure if we have them anywhere? Maybe Cloughbawns Colm Kehoe? Shane Tompkins for the forwards big and strong ball winner? Do we have any U21s that could step up? Also so disappointed with the famous Wexford hurling fans, we couldn't sell out playing the all Ireland champs at home in the championship yet we were able to send 30k to last years Leinster final.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 181 - 03/06/2018 18:51:32    2106979

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Lads lee chin is wasted at center back for me he should be midfield center forward dropping into space roll... O hanlon or Paudie Foley for me are the only 2 lads to play center back but we had 5 years under dunne and we had a different one every year...o hanlon has dinner well there Ryan is the best full back in Ireland for me at the moment so I would leave him there... wouldn't go switching him and o hanlon or moving Ryan to the corner

gannett83 (Wexford) - Posts: 313 - 03/06/2018 19:48:51    2107007

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if we were keeping the score board down i could understand why we do it.but we are not.
i would rather we went man v man v kilkenny and tried to put padriag walsh under pressure and try out score them.
we need far far far more from chin and mcdonald.i was working during match but i dont recall seeing chin on the ball once,where was he even hurling?no doubt he will have a few articles this week.
i wonder would jack o connor be better in half back line and maybe dee o keefe in midfield?
5pm on saturday does not suit so many people for a match,plenty of people work etc.it is also the start of holiday season.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 03/06/2018 20:10:57    2107021

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It's not going to happen, but the sweeper system has to go. Would be of far more benefit overloading midfield and stacking the half forward line with ball winners. Without having the nerve to delve into soccer territory, a flat midfield of Nolan and Foley would complement each other well. And pushing Dee up to wing forward to naturally drop back along with Chin would mean that four of our hardest workers are populating the middle section and suffocating possession.

Moving Reck to wing back would be more beneficial as well as his pace would be utilised. Murphy into the corner as he seems to be a stickier corner back compared to our other options. Seeing as Liam Og came on in the last two games, he should be good to go from the off, so have him corner forward playing off Morris and Rory. Need a dynamic threat inside.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1486 - 03/06/2018 20:25:02    2107027

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Replying To beano:  "It's not going to happen, but the sweeper system has to go. Would be of far more benefit overloading midfield and stacking the half forward line with ball winners. Without having the nerve to delve into soccer territory, a flat midfield of Nolan and Foley would complement each other well. And pushing Dee up to wing forward to naturally drop back along with Chin would mean that four of our hardest workers are populating the middle section and suffocating possession.

Moving Reck to wing back would be more beneficial as well as his pace would be utilised. Murphy into the corner as he seems to be a stickier corner back compared to our other options. Seeing as Liam Og came on in the last two games, he should be good to go from the off, so have him corner forward playing off Morris and Rory. Need a dynamic threat inside."
Ridiculous to suggest Liam of should start the next day. Anybody at the match would tell you he was miles off fitness wise. I would actually question fitzy why he bought him on so early? He isn't fit, how could he be? Delighted to see him back but no where near ready to start.

logger (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 03/06/2018 21:13:05    2107045

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Replying To logger:  "Ridiculous to suggest Liam of should start the next day. Anybody at the match would tell you he was miles off fitness wise. I would actually question fitzy why he bought him on so early? He isn't fit, how could he be? Delighted to see him back but no where near ready to start."
Alright then maybe not Liam Og. But perhaps the likes of Dunne or Dunbar who we have been told are built for summer ground but yet haven't got a look in so far.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1486 - 03/06/2018 21:21:41    2107050

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