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@Cragask - Lots of good points. Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 05/04/2018 15:00:56 2091259 Link 0 |
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It's more positional adjustments we need to look at. I would go with: the_post (USA) - Posts: 186 - 05/04/2018 15:35:06 2091268 Link 0 |
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I think anyone suggesting Jack O'C instead if Dee O'K and then suggesting Dee O'K for the bench are a mile wide of the mark. They are both excellent hurlers and I think they will improve greatly, in the position they are in, by championship time. In my opinion Dee O'Keeffe was Wexfords hurler of the year, last year. gminor (Wexford) - Posts: 488 - 05/04/2018 19:12:30 2091311 Link 0 |
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Good points all, My biggest problem with the backs is pace, that's why JOC wouldn't make it wing back, He would be targeted same as in the U21 final a few years back v Limerick, if he can't catch puckouts he will be under pressure from speedy forwards. Also think Eoin Moore's days are numbered, just doesn't have the pace any more. Think we do have the forwards to trouble teams, McDonald, Guiney, Chin,Rory o Connor, and would agree that David Dunne would be a nightmare for teams in the championship but unless they are played quick ball they will be easily negated. Would love to see us going 15/15 but don't think our backs are strong enough yet, have to say that I would of persevered with Conor Firman corner back.
Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 05/04/2018 20:33:56 2091322 Link 0 |
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for me jack o needs to relax more,if he doesnt catch the first ball the head goes down,or he gets frustrated with himself.the best players forget about that. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 06/04/2018 08:55:52 2091342 Link 0 |
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I dont mean to be rude gminor but if Jack O connor hasn't adapted to wing forward after playing there in 7 matches what evidence is there to suggest he will suddenly develop into a forward miraciously over the next 4 weeks? He was put there to wing puckouts which he done for the first 20 mins of the clare and galway game before teams copped on. Far better playing deeper. People expressing concerns about his pace should consider the fact that neither O Hanlon and foley who currenly occupy these positions arent exatcly fliers. Yes Jack did struggle in the under 21 final a few yearsago against barry nash but thats hardly a legitimate excuse to not play him facing the ball now? His positioning at wing forward is clogging up a position that should be taken by natural forwards who can score ,ie dunbar,dunne et all. Second point; What has Dee O Keeffes displays last year have anything to do with his displays these year which have been very poor bar the first half againts galway? Answer = Nothing,players should be judged on current form not reputation. O Keeffe is a beautiful elegant hurler but despite some good attacking points from his current position, he struggles massively when against the better teams imo. Defensively he gets caught time and time again and his weakness under puck outs is a major weakness. Far bettter hurler when played midfield,was very effective from center forward for his club last year. Square pegs in round holes doesn't work. Just a quick note on the kk v tipp game. You simply have to admire the pure work rate, aggression and tackling of kilkenny. There ability to gang tackle and come out of rucks with possession is exceptional. They doneto tipp exatcly what they done to us. Smoothered them. I still believe our strongest 15 hurling at our best are better than them though.They are far from the most skillful team around but unless teams match these attributes there going to take some stopping. I think we are right in the mix if we can get lads back from injury and regig our team a bit to get the best out of lads. we have the players and the attributes to compete with any team in the country. cragask (Wexford) - Posts: 892 - 09/04/2018 22:52:48 2091976 Link 0 |
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Problem is you could argue midfield is the best position of Chin,Nolan, Foley,O'Keeffe and Jacko. Do you leave some of them out to suit the system or play 3 of them elsewhere?
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 10/04/2018 12:12:40 2092056 Link 0 |
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If we had played our full team v Kilkenny in Nowlan Park in the league and beaten Kilkenny, their revival would never have gathered this momentum, now they are a force to be reckoned with again. We will be going into the lions den in Nowlan Park probably needing a win to get to a Leinster Final against a team who are now bounding forward, our charge has slightly slowed and while it is good to dampen the expectations of the band wagon jumpers, those who know their hurling would now fear going to Kilkenny needing a win to make a second Leinster final in a row.
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 10/04/2018 15:55:15 2092137 Link 0 |
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Hopefully we will beat Dublin Offaly and Galway and will be in the final before we go to Nowlan Park but even if we dont I dont think its a given that Kilkenny and Galway will win all their games either. Apart from the possibility of a shock they will have to play eachother also. And the Kilkenny style of winning games this year, ie ferocious workrate and all front 11 players covering up and down the whole pitch, might not suit 4 championship paced games in 5 weeks. And I dont think theyve the depth in their squad to rotate players much. Playing them last might actually be a blessing. Does anyone know if all matches have to be played to a result? Or is a tie a tie?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16582 - 10/04/2018 16:17:14 2092154 Link 0 |
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Of the 5 Dee Okeefe might be the best scorer of a point. Foley has a great hurling brain and energy and good turn of speed. Chin physicality and Nolan and Jacko are good in the air also. Nolan is a great all round hurler. Think Nolan and Kevin Foley should be the 1st choice midfied pairing unless Sean Murphys touch doesnt improve with 5 weeks stickwork and Foley drops back to Sweeper. Not sure Jacko has the speed for wingback with the system were using. O'Hanlon has been caught out that way a good few times this league. I think we need pace beside him if he gets turned or ran by. Dee O keefe so. Paudie Foley hasnt looked as bad. Probably been our best player this year along with Rory O. Think Chin should play midfield if Kevin Foley drops back. Rory O and Jacko half forwards along with Guiney if fully fit and motivated. Chin instead of Jacko or Guiney if Murphy back to last years form. And 1 of Mcgovern Morris Dunne or Dunbar with Mac inside . Probably Mcgovern if fully fit and up to full speed or Dunne if not. And the other 3 on the bench if any 1 of the front 5 get tired or injured. And if any of the lads look tired during recovery after any of the games there are plenty of options to rotate a few players now. And just warmup, tackling including tackling back, ball work and getting the ball up in hand quick- maybe during the tackling drills, and especially shooting for all the panel between games then warmdown and physio for any1 needing it. Do lads still practice sideline cuts? because since Fenlon retired more often than not we only get it to dribble 5 yards along the ground and rarely get it past the 1st defender never mind over the bar! Shouldnt need any heavy gym or fitness work for any player who played the weekend or 2 before. I think bar the fullback line weve great options and depth. Really looking forward to May now!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16582 - 10/04/2018 16:49:46 2092171 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't of mattered what team we played against them so how you can state '"If we had played our full team v Kilkenny in Nowlan Park in the league and beaten Kilkenny, their revival would never have gathered this momentum,' I don't know. We wasted a golden oppertunity to throw something different at them in that game and now were stuck in a system who's pivitotal member (shaun murphy) is disfunctional. We had a chance to view alternatives and wasted it. Personally I am loving all this kilkenny hype I think its taking the limelight and pressure off us big time. Personally I think kk have peaked and i dont think they can improve any further come the summer. Yes they will be there or thereabouts but they are beatable.
cragask (Wexford) - Posts: 892 - 11/04/2018 11:53:39 2092316 Link 0 |
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Id rathera strong bench than having square pegs in round holes and lads playing in positions that dont benefit them or the team. With the week by week nature of the championship were going to have to make 4/5 changes game by game.I think lads are getting carried away with this 'Jacko'hasnt the pace for wing back crap. Jack is not exatcly a snail by any stretch. We do have loads of options but I still feel the team i named in my previous post is our strongest. Good to hear moore,tomkins, kehoe are almost back,sooner guiney and mc govern join them the better.
cragask (Wexford) - Posts: 892 - 11/04/2018 12:00:26 2092319 Link 0 |
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Replying To Viking66: "Do lads still practice sideline cuts? because since Fenlon retired more often than not we only get it to dribble 5 yards along the ground and rarely get it past the 1st defender never mind over the bar!" goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 11/04/2018 16:03:25 2092413 Link 0 |
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My guess is the players are instructed to hit them short and retain possession rather than go for the posts and probably not score.i remember Jacko and Conor mac both scoring from distance at u21 level so they are capable
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 11/04/2018 16:40:08 2092425 Link 0 |
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I think once its is out of play it gives the defence every chance to get set by the time the sliotars back in play. So why not have a crack at the posts?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16582 - 11/04/2018 23:24:37 2092497 Link 0 |
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What's Chin doing telling every journalist he's a full time hurler? Hardly wise gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 12/04/2018 18:20:42 2092654 Link 0 |
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It's hardly a government secret in fairness...
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 12/04/2018 18:38:52 2092656 Link 0 |
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Bit of a random rambling lads... But the commute home from work this evening belting out dancing at the crossroads... Not getting ahead of ourselves or anything, but it's the first time in ages we're able to dream big anticipating the championship. It's a nice feeling :) Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3838 - 12/04/2018 20:48:59 2092679 Link 0 |
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Maybe but why is he telling everybody as if it's some kind of badge of honour. He should keep his head down and mouth shut, only putting pressure on himself and a target on his own. For his own sake too he should realise that the music will stop in a few years. gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 12/04/2018 20:58:25 2092680 Link 0 |
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once he music stops,the best chance to be set up for life career wise will have passed and you quickly become yesterdays news. hope he has something to show for it when it does. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/04/2018 08:43:48 2093197 Link 0 |