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Replying To tonydoranfan: "Reck is one of the best up and coming talents in the model of Rory o
Stupid post from a man you does not go to matches, firman like his cousin a fine talent but probably needs a few years to mature" dreadful isnt it that i have to keep down a job which is busy before/after matches.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 02/04/2018 21:23:39
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Replying To perfect10: "dreadful isnt it that i have to keep down a job which is busy before/after matches." We all have to work but keep your second and third hand opinions to yourself... how can you make a comment on reck and you have not been to the match in fairness ..
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 02/04/2018 21:59:32
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Replying To perfect10: ""Breen was a good man marker in the kk borderline illegal kind of way but he has a farm to run. We can't sign a coupla cornerbacks like a soccer club. Obviously as you go to loads of club matches every weekend you would know if there was any1 else. "
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 02/04/2018 20:23:39
right,well if you know anything about the club scene or otherwise,you would have to answer me how james breen is running a farm from the usa?the last i heard he is gone there for 6 months.people are right for pointing out that we might not have tried enough players,i would have liked to see more of mick o regan as he would be a huge addition to the footballers but has got no game time with the hurlers.
i do not like ott criticsim but i do not feel the criticsm here has been ott,it is valid to say "can or could we do better".
i agree beano,i get to the odd club match,am working often during the inter county matches,"how many club matches you attend" seems to be the mantra for weather you can comment or not?i often get to see half an hour of a match on my break from work if there is 1 in wexford park,or if i am passing a ground i might see who is playing.
people are often working when matches are on,and many others have family commitments,not everybody can go to every match like viking66.........." You are so full of crap, not body calls to a match a half an hour on their lunch break.. you a either 12 years old or key board warrior
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 02/04/2018 22:03:00
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Replying To tonydoranfan: " Replying To perfect10: ""Breen was a good man marker in the kk borderline illegal kind of way but he has a farm to run. We can't sign a coupla cornerbacks like a soccer club. Obviously as you go to loads of club matches every weekend you would know if there was any1 else. "
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 02/04/2018 20:23:39
right,well if you know anything about the club scene or otherwise,you would have to answer me how james breen is running a farm from the usa?the last i heard he is gone there for 6 months.people are right for pointing out that we might not have tried enough players,i would have liked to see more of mick o regan as he would be a huge addition to the footballers but has got no game time with the hurlers.
i do not like ott criticsim but i do not feel the criticsm here has been ott,it is valid to say "can or could we do better".
i agree beano,i get to the odd club match,am working often during the inter county matches,"how many club matches you attend" seems to be the mantra for weather you can comment or not?i often get to see half an hour of a match on my break from work if there is 1 in wexford park,or if i am passing a ground i might see who is playing.
people are often working when matches are on,and many others have family commitments,not everybody can go to every match like viking66.........." You are so full of crap, not body calls to a match a half an hour on their lunch break.. you a either 12 years old or key board warrior"
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/04/2018 22:13:57
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Replying To wexico15: " Replying To tonydoranfan: "[quote=perfect10: ""Breen was a good man marker in the kk borderline illegal kind of way but he has a farm to run. We can't sign a coupla cornerbacks like a soccer club. Obviously as you go to loads of club matches every weekend you would know if there was any1 else. "
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 02/04/2018 20:23:39
right,well if you know anything about the club scene or otherwise,you would have to answer me how james breen is running a farm from the usa?the last i heard he is gone there for 6 months.people are right for pointing out that we might not have tried enough players,i would have liked to see more of mick o regan as he would be a huge addition to the footballers but has got no game time with the hurlers.
i do not like ott criticsim but i do not feel the criticsm here has been ott,it is valid to say "can or could we do better".
i agree beano,i get to the odd club match,am working often during the inter county matches,"how many club matches you attend" seems to be the mantra for weather you can comment or not?i often get to see half an hour of a match on my break from work if there is 1 in wexford park,or if i am passing a ground i might see who is playing.
people are often working when matches are on,and many others have family commitments,not everybody can go to every match like viking66.........." You are so full of crap, not body calls to a match a half an hour on their lunch break.. you a either 12 years old or key board warrior"
I like hogan stand for feed back after the matches and other people's opinions but in fairness this man is full of pure crap
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 02/04/2018 22:20:38
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Lads can we stop with the pissing contest, anybody can comment on here none more valid or qualified than the other. I dont agree with some observations and often challenge peoples opinions but they are still entitled to comment. You do not need to try discredit anybody, just disagree with them.
To be fair to Perfect10 he could come on and pretend to have been at the game if he wanted to, and he did know Breen was in USA along with Olly O Leary from last years panel.
hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 02/04/2018 22:45:16
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Replying To tonydoranfan: " Replying To wexico15: "[quote=tonydoranfan: "[quote=perfect10: ""Breen was a good man marker in the kk borderline illegal kind of way but he has a farm to run. We can't sign a coupla cornerbacks like a soccer club. Obviously as you go to loads of club matches every weekend you would know if there was any1 else. "
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 02/04/2018 20:23:39
right,well if you know anything about the club scene or otherwise,you would have to answer me how james breen is running a farm from the usa?the last i heard he is gone there for 6 months.people are right for pointing out that we might not have tried enough players,i would have liked to see more of mick o regan as he would be a huge addition to the footballers but has got no game time with the hurlers.
i do not like ott criticsim but i do not feel the criticsm here has been ott,it is valid to say "can or could we do better".
i agree beano,i get to the odd club match,am working often during the inter county matches,"how many club matches you attend" seems to be the mantra for weather you can comment or not?i often get to see half an hour of a match on my break from work if there is 1 in wexford park,or if i am passing a ground i might see who is playing.
people are often working when matches are on,and many others have family commitments,not everybody can go to every match like viking66.........." You are so full of crap, not body calls to a match a half an hour on their lunch break.. you a either 12 years old or key board warrior"
I like hogan stand for feed back after the matches and other people's opinions but in fairness this man is full of pure crap"]Everyone is entitled to there opinion weather you agree with it or not
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/04/2018 22:52:57
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Replying To fathermurphy: "I think we peaked against Galway,we are on a slipery slope now and it may get worse before it gets better,we showed no hunger yesterday with kk winning all the 50/50 balls..i cant see us doing well in the leinster championship..the timing of every match and who we are playing is against us...our first match is against Dublin who we will be favourites and Dublin have yet to show there hand i can see an upset there..we play galway a week before we play kk and kk will have a 2 week break before they meet us....our 2 week brake is before we play offaly!!!." I think fathermurphy you should have a look at the fixtures again Because wex don't have a 2 week break at all .They are using there break when every body else plays the first round..They play Dublin then a week later they play offaly
Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 02/04/2018 23:39:40
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I'm very happy with league campaign lads, alright disappointed with yesterday's performance but I think we got a lot out of the league this year. Our 1a status secured and a massive performance from the lads v Galway.
There is more to come from this team and I'm looking forward to a very competitive leinster championship.
I don't believe we have peaked either and I feel this year we will make a better impact on the championship than we did in 2017. Loch Garman Abu!
logger (Wexford) - Posts: 305 - 03/04/2018 00:17:01
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Replying To perfect10: ""Breen was a good man marker in the kk borderline illegal kind of way but he has a farm to run. We can't sign a coupla cornerbacks like a soccer club. Obviously as you go to loads of club matches every weekend you would know if there was any1 else. "
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 02/04/2018 20:23:39
right,well if you know anything about the club scene or otherwise,you would have to answer me how james breen is running a farm from the usa?the last i heard he is gone there for 6 months.people are right for pointing out that we might not have tried enough players,i would have liked to see more of mick o regan as he would be a huge addition to the footballers but has got no game time with the hurlers.
i do not like ott criticsim but i do not feel the criticsm here has been ott,it is valid to say "can or could we do better".
i agree beano,i get to the odd club match,am working often during the inter county matches,"how many club matches you attend" seems to be the mantra for weather you can comment or not?i often get to see half an hour of a match on my break from work if there is 1 in wexford park,or if i am passing a ground i might see who is playing.
people are often working when matches are on,and many others have family commitments,not everybody can go to every match like viking66.........." Ive 4 kids under 8 and am self employed. So Im not too up on the club scene. Thats why I was wondering did any1 know of any alternative corner backs? Lot of posters seem to be complaining about them. While I believe part of the problem is that theyre left exposed with the half backs pushing forward if we lose the ball up the pitch and teams break fast running at us, its the position weve least experienced depth in. Fair play to Beano hes the only 1 of us to come up with any suggestions.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 03/04/2018 00:18:16
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Read every comment on this board and not surprisingly all the comments are about this tactic and that tactic or this change needs to be made and wasn't bla bla bla... We are beginning to get away from what the game is about.
I am beginning to think now managers have figured out the best way to hide de-efficiencies in teams coaching is to overload the team with tactics and get everyone focusing/talking on tactics rather than the skills of the game.
The difference in skill level today was vast, that was the major difference in the teams. Kilkenny could play thru the lines with short accurate passing and a good first touch when required. We did not show the capability to do the same and turned over the ball time and time again trying to. Too many of our players are one-sided and cannot shoot accurately on the run also.
This cannot be laid completely at Davy's door, this goes back to the underage coaching at clubs and county development squads. He is doing the best with what he has, I'm not convinced you can re-teach the skills of any sport at adult stage and he wouldn't have the time anyway.
I was at every Wex match in the league and talking to other muster supporters at these days the common theme from feedback was when the ground hardens up and other teams catch up with our fitness our hurling won't be good enough to compete with the better teams.
Fitness and hard work kept us our Div 1 status and that is to be commended. But our hurling is suffering and not at a good enough level to win a Leinster or All-Ireland.
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whats this?you were the one who brought up club matches as though you were an officianado of knowledge,and while you are at it,do explain where the problems highlighted about were.
i think people highlighted
- not enough players tried throughout the league.
- corner backs (and i said conor firman needed more game time)
- free taking (rory o c has fixed that)
apart from that,i think the general belief is a good league campaign,with room to improve.where is dermot bannon when he is needed
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 03/04/2018 09:35:35
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Replying To LivingTheDream: "Read every comment on this board and not surprisingly all the comments are about this tactic and that tactic or this change needs to be made and wasn't bla bla bla... We are beginning to get away from what the game is about.
I am beginning to think now managers have figured out the best way to hide de-efficiencies in teams coaching is to overload the team with tactics and get everyone focusing/talking on tactics rather than the skills of the game.
The difference in skill level today was vast, that was the major difference in the teams. Kilkenny could play thru the lines with short accurate passing and a good first touch when required. We did not show the capability to do the same and turned over the ball time and time again trying to. Too many of our players are one-sided and cannot shoot accurately on the run also.
This cannot be laid completely at Davy's door, this goes back to the underage coaching at clubs and county development squads. He is doing the best with what he has, I'm not convinced you can re-teach the skills of any sport at adult stage and he wouldn't have the time anyway.
I was at every Wex match in the league and talking to other muster supporters at these days the common theme from feedback was when the ground hardens up and other teams catch up with our fitness our hurling won't be good enough to compete with the better teams.
Fitness and hard work kept us our Div 1 status and that is to be commended. But our hurling is suffering and not at a good enough level to win a Leinster or All-Ireland." I don't think we have many 1-sided hurlers, there was plenty of times in the Limerick Tipp match on Saturday night where a player switched onto his good side. We do the same.
Graeme Mulcahy for example, is the most 1-sided hurler I have ever seen.
I would also completely disagree that we will be found out when the pitches harden up, if anything I would think it will improve our game.
Don't mind what Munster supporters think.....there is no hurling outside Munster in their minds.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/04/2018 10:29:39
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i think sunday we just didnt show up. It was a bad day out simple as. We have beaten better teams than kilkenny this year so lets not panic just yet.
However i do think its worrying how easily kilkenny moved the ball on us the last two times we have played them. Personally i think we looked tired sunday and flat footed. That could he becaise of last week or it could simply have been an off day.
I think kilkenny play simliar to us these days but move the ball an awful lot quicker. The quicknes they move the ball with will always expose our corner backs because the half backs wont have gotten back in time. We could actually learn a lot from kilkenny. If you look at their short passing game they are more accurate because they have more time. I think thats because sometimes they actually move backwards with their passing at first to go more direct whereas we tend to run straight away and bring the ball into contact and only when ci tact is made they let the hamd pass off. Its so hard to be accurate when someone is in ckntact with you. In contrast when kilkenny do run with the ball they tend to let the hand pass off quicker and dont wait for the contact, they accurately find the runner when the defender is drawn. I think we take the ball into contact before the pass so the defender cant block the hand pass down. This was something wexford actually did a lot of sunday. We blocked a lot of their hand passes to be fair but not enough to outweight the amount that came off. I think in the walsh cup vs dublin we let the hand passes off quicker before contact ans it dodnt come off because dublin blocked a lot of them.
Another thing kilkennt do to nullify us is they are smart enough to know that we commit a lot to the tackle. When that happens they literally pop pass the ball from the ruck knowing thag a kilkenny man will definitely be in space. It killed us all day. Maybe we should trust the tackler and be smarter with commiting to tackles. The kilkenny players should feel more pressure and not have the ability to see a free man thus forcing a mistake for us to capitalise on.
I really though davy would have learned from the first league encounter. I feel he didnt and the same things that killed us the first day came back to really kill us sunday. Thats what im really worried about more so than the performance because I believe we had an off day coupled with being outsmarted.
Cody has been smart this off season and completely identified how to beat the two teams that knocked him out last year. Fair play to him but its time for us to really really really study that kilkenny team now. Theres 2 months at least to look at them and implement plans now in training to combat how they play. We cant expect to impose our system every week and beat teams. Lets give ourselves a tweek and beat them in 2 months.
Im also not too worried about first touch etc because i thought it was miles better than last year.
We have a fantastic team at the minute and we dont become a bad team over night. I think the no.1 objective for the championship is to wint the first two games and go hell for leather vs galway. I think we can really beat them. Im more worried about the kk game but it might not have any bearing if we win thw first 3 games. We would potentially have a leinster final against them after seeing their style of play 3 times before hand. Surely enough time to identify weakness and beat them in croker!
Wexboi92 (Wexford) - Posts: 74 - 03/04/2018 11:16:32
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is leinster championship head to head or points different?
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Replying To perfect10: "is leinster championship head to head or points different?" That's a good point and it could well be very important
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As I related to in an earlier post the free count, as in the league game and O' Byrne game v Kilkenny was way too high from a Wexford perspective. We simply have to address this issue - otherwise it will be a major impediment to our attempts to challenge for honours. A concern obviously is the big score we conceded but I think we will address that. The championship will be different. The ball will be moving a lot faster and hopefully referees will apply a little more common sense and let the game flow instead of sucking the life out of the whistle.
If anyone had said at the start of the league campaign that we would win 3 of our 5 games, beat the All Ireland champions and get to a league semi-final the vast majority of Wexford supporters would gladly have accepted that. As Davy said there will be bumps along the way and as some other posters have alluded to, one poor performance won't set us back.I always feel with some 'supporters' that their faith is a bit brittle and when we do have a bad day they are the first to find fault where there is or was no fault.
What happened on Sunday happens to all teams, but what is important and what will make the difference is how we respond - when you lose don't lose the lesson. If we'd have won maybe we might have believed we were further down the road than we are. The old saying 'The lift to success is broken, please use the stairs' springs to mind. It's unfair to single out any individual from a great bunch of players who have given us some great days in the last 15 months and will so again. Those players are bursting a gut and are as hurt as anybody but we can use that as motivation.
We were a bit leggy on Sunday, but that's not to take from Kilkenny, they won hands down, but we mustn't worry about them - many of our players have beaten them more than once at minor, U21 and senior so the players know that we can match them on the day, and Kilkenny know that as well. It really is all on the day. Stats, history and records mean absolutely nothing and cannot affect the present or the future.
The apparent legginess on Sunday is an indication of how difficult it will be this Summer to string 2 big performances together back to back, but it will be the same for all teams. We have to go to Kilkenny the week after we play Galway who will play us a week after thet play Kilkenny. Hopefully we can adapt our preparation based on what we've learned from playing Galway and Kilkenny within 8 days of each other in the league. Of course we shouldn't look no further than Dublin on May 20. A lot can happen between then and now, particularly in terms of injuries and fitness. A little bit of luck will be needed in that regard because if you lose a player early in the series he's likely to miss more games. It's the same for all teams - hence the need to get some of our walking wounded fully fit over the coming weeks. Forget about Sunday- let's comeback stronger. Bring on the championship!
Sliotharyslope (Wexford) - Posts: 138 - 03/04/2018 13:33:16
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Replying To Sliotharyslope: "That's a good point and it could well be very important" The most likely scenario, is that Galway beat Kilkenny in Galway, and assuming we can beat Dublin/Offaly, we are going to be going to Kilkenny to try get a place in a Leinster Final.
Assuming it is head to head, that could be difference between Leinster Final.
If we beat Galway, I presume it will come down to scoring difference.
But do not rule out shock results through this new structure. We have only 6 day turnaround before Offaly game, that will not be easy. We have 4 games in 4 weeks, no break.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/04/2018 14:39:18
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I think we got a few of our match-ups wrong on Sunday, Hanlon on TJ Reid for example. Last year we got our match-ups right and nullified a lot of the Kilkenny threat. We were also definitely not at the tempo of the game. Too many of our lads didnt turn up: Chin, Nolan, JO'Connor, Morris, O'Keefe to name a few.
What's disappointing is that it doesn't look like we have too many options in terms of improving our structure going forward. But hopefully there will be a kick in the lads we have albeit 6 weeks from now.
the_post (USA) - Posts: 186 - 03/04/2018 15:19:09
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might be the best thing that could have happened.........will focus minds........Dublin will be a very tricky game, probably the single most important game of the year, and they will be a different kettle of fish with Cuala lads back..........I cant see Wexford going in to this game complacent after sunday.......I for one would not be too concerned about Sunday, yes Wexford were awful, beat up a stick, but anyone who has seen them this year has to take a balanced view, they are better than that and I think they will be a different proposition in 7 or 8 weeks time
dumptruck1 (Wexford) - Posts: 206 - 03/04/2018 17:47:26
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