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Replying To wexico15:  "Wouldn't agree with ya, yes Chin is our talisman most teams have 1 or 2 but we overran clare in the 2nd half without him. Different players have delivered at different stages e.g Dunne getting 2-2 against waterford. As I mentioned I think kk are too very reliant on Walsh, Buckley & reid"
People seem to think they had more of their first 15 than we did??? They have Eoin Murphy, Paul Murphy, Conor Fogarty, Colin Fennelly and maybe Richie Hogan. They will add a lot to that team.

Today there were a lot of good aspects such as our grit, some excellent scores taking and in particular Paudie Foleys performance and his leadership!! Really stepped up to it today!!

I think our discipline was poor today, so many lazy fowls committed all over the field!!

Most of our peripheral players that got a chance were poor and found thd intensity too much. Rory did well when he came out the field but really needed that game in his legs.

Bottom line we faught hard and played ok but a lot of improvement needed before championship if they get everyone back fit!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 11/03/2018 21:51:56    2083670

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Fairly pitiful coverage of the game on Allianz League Sunday. And when Marty was reading the Wexford team he said Conor O Leary was making his first competitive start for Wexford today. The same conor o Leary who played 4 league games and one championship game in 2016. Very lazy reporting.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 11/03/2018 22:09:37    2083686

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Any updates on injuries lads, chin, Liam og, Tompkins, kehoe, Moore etc..is there anyone else to come back into the Squad? taught it was average game today. Two Foley and firman outstanding. Davy learned a lot today about certain players. Role on next Sunday. All Ireland champions at home. Can't beat it.

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 11/03/2018 22:49:27    2083715

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Replying To hurler101:  "People seem to think they had more of their first 15 than we did??? They have Eoin Murphy, Paul Murphy, Conor Fogarty, Colin Fennelly and maybe Richie Hogan. They will add a lot to that team.

Today there were a lot of good aspects such as our grit, some excellent scores taking and in particular Paudie Foleys performance and his leadership!! Really stepped up to it today!!

I think our discipline was poor today, so many lazy fowls committed all over the field!!

Most of our peripheral players that got a chance were poor and found thd intensity too much. Rory did well when he came out the field but really needed that game in his legs.

Bottom line we faught hard and played ok but a lot of improvement needed before championship if they get everyone back fit!"
On the kk players missing I believe Murphy and fennelly are abroad til May 9th so no guarantee they'll even be in there team come championship, fogarty got a tose of glandular fever so could take him some time to recover from that. The richie Hogan of 3 or 4 years ago would be a massive addition to there team but he was very poor last year apparently he has woeful trouble with his back. Eoin Murphy is the best goalie in Ireland but I taught Darren Brennan was solid for them today. Also we beat them in the league last year with 4 of those involved and championship with all 5 involved.

On ourselves devereux, Ryan, murphy, Foley all did particularly well in the backs O'Hanlon battled mannifully against Reid whose a class act, I actually taught Kevin Foley was outplayed by leahy in the 1st half but he was superb in the 2nd half, Rory o'connor came into the game in the 2nd half and McDonald mixed the good and bad taught got no favours from the ref. Think Harry Kehoe offers more coming off the bench, Dee's form is a concern but he's been 1 of our most consistent players in the last few years so I'm sure he'll regain it.

Interesting game next week bizarrely for a team who are defending AI champions hard to judge galway losing to limerick(without there na pairsaigh players) would suggest there vunerable but obviously if turn up in top gear they'll be a formidable task. Team I'd go with

Fanning

Reck
Ryan
Donohoe

Murphy

P Foley
O'Hanlon
O 'Keeffe

Nolan
Foley

Jack O'Connor
Morris
Chin

Rory O'Connor
McDonald

Dunbar, Dunne, H Kehoe as impact subs and guiney if he's fit. That team would also be flexible postionaly if we're under pressure in certain areas e.g could move Jack to midfield or HB line or could move Dee to midfield

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 11/03/2018 22:58:05    2083722

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Tomkins back in April. Think Chin is hopeful to be fit next weekend. On today's game agree with most posters 2 Foley's Firman and Ryan outstanding . I expect the championship meeting in Nowlan Park to be a humdinger. Great game now v Galway in the park to look forward to. Expect we could see near 12 or 13 thousand in the park now Sunday. Agree with Davy he is taking this league game by game but championship is where we need to produce our best performances. I'd go with for Sunday 1.Fanning 2. Reck 3.Ryan 4. Firman 5. Foley 6.Hanlon 7. O Keefe 8. Foley 9. Murphy 10.Nolan 11.Chin 12. Jacko 13. David Dunne (Not sure if he is carrying injury) 14. Mac 15. Rory O Connor

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 11/03/2018 23:05:29    2083733

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Fanning
Reck Ryan firman
Murphy
Foley Hanlon o Keefe
K. Foley Nolan
Chin. ROC. JOC
mac. Morris

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 11/03/2018 23:07:12    2083736

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I'm surprised your all having Murphy in the team. He has been poor last year and this year in my opinion when you consider he is a loose man most of the time he really shouldn't be making as many basic errors and giving as many misplaced passes as he is. I was disappointed that Davy didn't use today to try Reck in the sweeper role, I think it would really suit him. And maybe Murphy would be more effective as a midfielder or wing back, I just think our sweeper should offer more than we are currently getting.

My other main observation is that we are too indisciplined with our tackling. Tackling without fouling is an important skill and we need to get better at it.

We aren't too far off the best teams, but I just think the two areas I have mentioned are problem areas which need to be solved if we are to have any hope of making it further than the all ireland 1/4 final. Galway should be a good test and I expect us to go close

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 11/03/2018 23:44:47    2083757

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While the first half was error ridden the team settled down and played with a lot more intensity and cohesion in the second half. l can understand why we varied the team, but it's my view that we should be picking our strongest team to play Kilkenny. Momentum is key in sport and once you hand the initiative to your opponent it can be hard to get it back.
Everyone tried hard today and while it just didn't happen for some, there were a few impressive displays, non more than Liam Ryan, and the two Foleys, particularly Kevin who has been outstanding all year. However, we do need to tighten up around midfield as KK got 5 points from their mid field paring today.
I have to say I don't really understand the benifit of playing a sweeper system against the likes of KK, as by default they have an extra defender without adjusting their setup, thereby making it much more difficult to get scores.
Apart from all that, well done to everyone involved for getting us to 1/4 finals of Div 1A. Looking forward to next Sunday and I hope we get a better referee - too much effort being put in to have matches decided by atrocious refereeing.

gminor (Wexford) - Posts: 488 - 12/03/2018 00:48:20    2083766

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Replying To wexico15:  "Personally doesn't bother me we're playing galway, we'll learn more than we would playing offaly. Also the winners of us and galway are playing kk or offaly potentially we could have the cats again in 2 wks"
Im completely in the same boat.

Davy would have learned a lot more yesterday playing some of our fringe player whilst also resting a lot of our first team who were in need of a break.

Likewise playing Offaly will gain us very little, a home quarter final game in the park is a great result for us and if we are to go and win these competitions then we will need to be playing and beating these teams anyway.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1534 - 12/03/2018 09:30:13    2083801

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Not disappointed about yesterday, it was real nothing at stake stuff and the cut and thrust of championship will be there in summer.
In a bizarre twist of fate, if we beat Galway we will play them again in 2 weeks. Case in point why the quarter/semi/final structure is stupid.
We definitely need to cut out the fouling but I also thought the amount of times Kilkenny players were playing for frees, diving into challenges, etc was a joke. They are masters of the "foul the defender" and it is time referees wake up to it.
I thought Paidi Foley had his best game yet for Wexford yesterday and he has to take the long range frees in my view.
Good work out for some of the fringe players, even if none put their hand up regarding starting 15 it is the time to give them a chance to do so.
I also thought we were playing way too much in our own half for a team hurling with the wind. 3 green flags in 5 matches (and 3 games without a goal) tells its own story, goals win games and we do not score enough.
Stop the needless fouling, and we will go a long way this year. We do not need to be so defensive minded.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 12/03/2018 09:54:28    2083817

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Didnt make this one but saw enough on the TV. Decent performance considering the weakened side. Paudi Foley really cementing his spot was hugely encouraging. And Kevin foley too. Really good to see new guys step up to the plate to contribute to the first 15 this year and shows we are improving all the time.

A good test next week against Galway. Should be a right crowd in at it.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 12/03/2018 10:15:49    2083829

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I agree with alot of what has been wrote here already and i wouldn't be anyway concerned about yesterday. If i was a kk supporter i would be concerned however that they fell over the line against a weakened wexford team. I've seen lads saying on here 'sure they were missing murphy,fennelly and hogan' yes but they had a full hand twice last year and we beat them. KK were virtually full strenght yesterday in a game they needed to win which was obvious by the constant whinging of there supporters looking for frees.it appears Tj reid is simply not allowed tackled. I'd agree with pinkies point about them manufactring frees,its an art form kk have mastered and we werea bit naive in our tackling aswell. Going forward i would be confident that with a full hand we are comfortably better than them. there's no such thing as a bad kk team and you have to admire there graft and will to win but in terms of quality i would'nt fear them.

I actually felt,although a weakened team, we showed them far too much respect yesterday and we learned nothing by playing the same system hence why i suggested going 15 on 15 yesterday to test ourselves. We pushed up for 15 minutes yesterday and whittleed a 6/7 point lead down to 2. I also felt we were to conservative with our choice of subs,why bring on nolan,morris when we know what they offer? Why not give o regan longer than 2 minutes or give rochford his debut or give gareth foley a chance midfield? strange in my opinion. Harry kehoe really struggled yesterday,i expected more from him. Jack O connor was completly lost wing forward and thats an experiment that hasn't worked, His had 4 games there and the only game he won clean possession in was against clare marking a wing back he was 6 inches taller than. Even when he had possession,he's decision making in the final third was indecisive. He is not a natural forward and were going to need him wing back against galway.good hurler being mis used.If were struggling in games him wing forwardis an option.

Of the changes i thought dunbar done well in what was a 2 man full forward line. He was living off scraps ,got 2 posssesions and 2 scores,how can lads say that was a poor return? on harder ground with support he will causes erious problems. Our first half set up with him and o connor simply didnt work, 2 light enough fellas struggling to win clean possession. Another case in point for the Mc Donald & Guiney being worth considering going forward. whatever hope they have of giving us a platform to attack from,having 2 smaller lads inside doesnt work.

I thought shaun murphy continued his alarmingly poor form yesterday. Again his hurling ability is causing issues,the amount of easy ball he is fumbling and misplacing is simply not acceptable when he has more time on the ball than anybody else. I think its time we looked at alternative options for this role, reck being my choice. As mentioned, young firman continues to develop, 2 foleys and ryan impressive although others are correct in saying we are too loose around the middle. The form of dee o keeffee is very worrying,he looks a chap that needs a break. Clearly the impact of a long season with his club is having an affect.

There is no point selecting a team because i dont know how our injury situation is but we did learn yesterday that rory o connor is far better center forward than inside and that paudie foley is a far superior ball striker/ long range free taker to chin and jacko is lost wing forward. Add in fanning,donohoe,chin,dunne,nolan and guiney to that team and were in a good place,thats not mentioning moore,tomkins,mc govern,morris.

cragask (Wexford) - Posts: 892 - 12/03/2018 11:02:04    2083857

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i did not think bar 1 bad moment where he tried to pick the ball about 3-4 times that shaun murphy had that bad a game.having said that,i was working and trying to watch it both at the same time.
my fear with the sweeper is that we will be found out with it when the scores come from further out the field,
also i felt we hit too many balls down on out numbered forwards.
i think damien reck takes too much out of the ball to play sweeper role,time and again he runs into trouble.dont get me wrong i think he is the best young hurler we have,but he is a sticky tigerish corner back rather than a free man.
staying in 1a was always going to be the achievement we wanted,and we have done that.well done to the entire panel,we were favourites for relegation and made light of that.....i do think we let opportunities to beat kk and tipp go though at the same time

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/03/2018 11:24:13    2083870

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The height and physicality of Galway forwards will cause our backs problems

Would go for (on reflection) height and strength in the backs

Fanning
Reck Ryan Donahue
Murphy
Foley Hanlon Jacko
K Foley O Keefe
Chin Rory Nolan
Morris Mac

We will need big men in the half backline. Would play Guiney in forwards if fit. I would love to have a fit Andrew Shore and a fit Jack Guiney in the side on Sunday

PS - I know we have brought a few lads through this year but I still feel we need another Liam Ryan and another Lee Chin if we are to really push for All Ireland glory. Who are the most promising young lads that have not broken into the county set up yet?

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 12/03/2018 14:45:59    2083961

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Replying To perfect10:  "i did not think bar 1 bad moment where he tried to pick the ball about 3-4 times that shaun murphy had that bad a game.having said that,i was working and trying to watch it both at the same time.
my fear with the sweeper is that we will be found out with it when the scores come from further out the field,
also i felt we hit too many balls down on out numbered forwards.
i think damien reck takes too much out of the ball to play sweeper role,time and again he runs into trouble.dont get me wrong i think he is the best young hurler we have,but he is a sticky tigerish corner back rather than a free man.
staying in 1a was always going to be the achievement we wanted,and we have done that.well done to the entire panel,we were favourites for relegation and made light of that.....i do think we let opportunities to beat kk and tipp go though at the same time"
Im inclined to agree about Murphy he had a bad 1st half against Tipp but improved greatly after halftime, made 2 mistakes against Clare and 1 bad pickup against KK. All in all hes not doing too badly. I agree with some posters about Reck too hes defo not a sweeper runs into trouble and gets turned over too often and misplaces passes too often. Also doesnt read the game as well as Kevin Foley or Murphy. Good tackler generally and has pace really think cornerback is his position. Has the potential to be our best in that position for many years. Dee o keefes form is worrying ok. Disappears for passages of games. Still a great hurler probably 1 of our best. Maybe hes just gearing his training towards the summer.....hopefully! Jacko at wingback against Galway is worth a try. Maybe push dee up to half forward instead? Nolan and K Foley in midfield. Dont think Maddock worked well in midfield he done well at centreback for the u21s last year. Think Jack Guiney might work at centre forward rather than inside. While I dont agree any1 is a "natural hurler" I think he can read a game and see where a free man might be a second or 2 before any1 else we have.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 12/03/2018 17:11:31    2084025

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Not too bothered about yesterday to be honest. Weird we get Galway after such a good league but if we want to be the best we have to beat the best. Delighted to see where we're at now.

Regarding the team

Fanning
Reck, jippo, up for grabs
Dee, hanlon, foley
Murphy, k foley
Jacko, Nolan, chinner
Morris, mac, up for grabs.

I've been impressed with firman but I reckon Davy likes Donohoe.

I like the idea of guiney firing on all cylinders fitting in there but there's dunne, Dunbar and Rory o connor all battling for that spot. Then consider the injury list. You could even have Maddock in midfield with k foley playing sweeper. For the first time in decades we have real options and serious competition for places.

I've always maintained that we don't have to be winning all the time. It's just great to have a competitive side and be going to games without a fear of getting beaten out the gate. If we can maintain this consistency the rest will fall into place. It's great to finally be back where we belong.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3836 - 12/03/2018 18:09:31    2084045

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I would be a little bit concerned about the size of all 6 Galway forwards. We had no answer for that in last year's leinster final. However, we did not capitalise on our dominance in the first half. I still feel Galway are mentally weak and when really pushed can crumble. If we get a run on them I am confident we can beat them. I'd be far less afraid of then than tipp.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3836 - 12/03/2018 18:17:04    2084048

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I would be a little bit concerned about the size of all 6 Galway forwards. We had no answer for that in last year's leinster final. However, we did not capitalise on our dominance in the first half. I still feel Galway are mentally weak and when really pushed can crumble. If we get a run on them I am confident we can beat them. I'd be far less afraid of then than tipp."
I dont think we should be afraid of anyone. Tipp and Galway would probably be the hardest 2 teams to beat but both are beatable. And packing the back 6 with pure size to counter Galways front six would be a poor solution to the problem as most of Galways front 6 are fairly quick also. Probably better press up high and try and cut out the ball into them and play the sweeper around the halfback line. In the Leinster Final Murphy played sweeper too deep (between the keeper and full back) because of the 5 goals we let in against Tipp. After 5 minutes he shouldve been moved out between the full and halfback lines to close down the space most of Galways points came from. Goals might win games but if you concede 30 odd points thats just as bad as leaking a few goals.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16567 - 12/03/2018 19:51:23    2084069

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Fanning
Firman/murphy, Ryan, reck
p Foley, o hanlon, j o connor
D o keefe, a Nolan
Shore, chin, guiney
Liam og, McDonald, r o connor
now that is a team that would rival anyone

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 12/03/2018 22:04:36    2084117

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Replying To hunting:  "Fanning
Firman/murphy, Ryan, reck
p Foley, o hanlon, j o connor
D o keefe, a Nolan
Shore, chin, guiney
Liam og, McDonald, r o connor
now that is a team that would rival anyone"
And where would you put Kevin Foley?

gminor (Wexford) - Posts: 488 - 13/03/2018 08:24:50    2084170

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