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Dublin v Tyrone Semi-Final

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Dublin to win by 3/4 after a serious effort from Tyrone. Personally think Tyrone bench is incomparable to Dublin and that could really be that.

If the weather is rough on Sunday though I could be forced into a rethink, Tyrone will need lots to go right for them - poor conditions (in my opinion) favor Tyrone than Dublin.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 24/08/2017 12:34:54    2037114

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Complete and utter nonsense.."
that comment bangbang would have won a prize @the Edinburgh fringe last week

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 24/08/2017 13:58:20    2037166

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "You've just written it!"
haha

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 24/08/2017 14:02:26    2037169

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at this stage the gaa hierarchy and rte will be brickin it if tyrone win on suday. with this mh boycott of rte a tyrone win would f--k up the weekend programme schedule of up for the match, being in both hotels etc. Watch for the dodgy calls for Dublin if it is a close game or if tyrone are a couple of points ahead with a few mins to go, or a lot of extra mins

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 24/08/2017 14:06:54    2037173

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Replying To GetOverTheBar:  "Dublin to win by 3/4 after a serious effort from Tyrone. Personally think Tyrone bench is incomparable to Dublin and that could really be that.

If the weather is rough on Sunday though I could be forced into a rethink, Tyrone will need lots to go right for them - poor conditions (in my opinion) favor Tyrone than Dublin."
Agree because the better teams can play in any conditions.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 24/08/2017 14:32:19    2037181

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Replying To passerby:  "Don't think I would agree with you that Dub's midfield is far stronger than Tyrone's, at least not in an aerial battle kind of way. Fenton a great player no doubt as is McCarthy but Kildare took them to the cleaners in the air for large spells. I think Tyrone could get plenty of joy with the two Cavanaghs, Donnelly, McCann and possibly McClure in around that area. That's if the kickouts go to the air which in many cases they won't! Fenton and McCarthy (and Flynn if he starts) would definitely have the pace to trouble Tyrone in that area but, something they haven't had to deal with yet this year"
Agree midfield partnerships quite similar so Tyrone should push up on kick outs and rattle Cluxton - when he's rattled Dubs are rattled!

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 24/08/2017 14:35:46    2037182

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Agree because the better teams can play in any conditions."
Was thinking more along the lines of the Dub players don't really take touches of the ball, they move it so quick - bad weather potentially could disrupt their flow/handling.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 24/08/2017 15:25:35    2037209

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "at this stage the gaa hierarchy and rte will be brickin it if tyrone win on suday. with this mh boycott of rte a tyrone win would f--k up the weekend programme schedule of up for the match, being in both hotels etc. Watch for the dodgy calls for Dublin if it is a close game or if tyrone are a couple of points ahead with a few mins to go, or a lot of extra mins"
Two points , firstly take off the tinfoil hat, no dodgy calls will be awarded, coldrick is a excellent ref, and his integrity is beyond reproach.
Secondly, it won't be close. Dublin are superior to Tyrone and it would take everything to go wrong for them and everything to go right for Tyrone for it to be even in the melting pot with ten minutes to go.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2017 15:45:34    2037219

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!"
Impossible to disagree.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2017 15:50:23    2037223

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Replying To GetOverTheBar:  "Was thinking more along the lines of the Dub players don't really take touches of the ball, they move it so quick - bad weather potentially could disrupt their flow/handling."
Was only kidding - but don't you think your boys move the ball in very similar and fast fashion - wet weather going to have same effect on you as well?

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 24/08/2017 15:58:32    2037230

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "at this stage the gaa hierarchy and rte will be brickin it if tyrone win on suday. with this mh boycott of rte a tyrone win would f--k up the weekend programme schedule of up for the match, being in both hotels etc. Watch for the dodgy calls for Dublin if it is a close game or if tyrone are a couple of points ahead with a few mins to go, or a lot of extra mins"
Couldn't agree more, won't suit the Gaa if Tyrone win, they hate Mickey Harte & Tyrone. They want the big ticket sales with the Dubs & keeping RTE & SKY happy, watch David Gough appointed ref for the final if they win.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 24/08/2017 16:00:06    2037231

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Two points , firstly take off the tinfoil hat, no dodgy calls will be awarded, coldrick is a excellent ref, and his integrity is beyond reproach.
Secondly, it won't be close. Dublin are superior to Tyrone and it would take everything to go wrong for them and everything to go right for Tyrone for it to be even in the melting pot with ten minutes to go."
My reply was not allowed by admin , so I will tone it down as a member of the association to state our officials have as good as been got at is offensive of the highest order , in total agreement with RD , can a mistake be made of course it can it happens in many a game, but to question officials integrity from the off is bang out of order.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/08/2017 16:18:08    2037239

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Replying To Damothedub:  "My reply was not allowed by admin , so I will tone it down as a member of the association to state our officials have as good as been got at is offensive of the highest order , in total agreement with RD , can a mistake be made of course it can it happens in many a game, but to question officials integrity from the off is bang out of order."
Exactly it's a disgusting trait of many people leading up to this game , of trying to get at the ref before the ball is thrown in. Now it is a pointless exercise as David is above it all and will not be influenced by any of it, he is by far the most dedicated ref I have ever seen, this whataboutury from some circles will not have its desired effect. In trying to taint a unpaid official in a certain light is a very premiership/English/ soccer mentality. Again unfortunately for those trying to besmirch a good man it won't do them any good . As David couldn't give a rats behind about them. He will call every call as he sees it without fear or favour. Isn't that all we ask for in any official? He like any other ref might not get every decision right in hindsight, but at the time he will in his own professional opinion.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2017 17:04:42    2037257

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I think Gough will do his best and won't intentionally be biased towards either side. I also believe that there is a hell of a difference between a ref being 'influenced' by media comments etc and a ref being 'got at'. The latter has serious connotations to it.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 24/08/2017 17:46:07    2037275

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Replying To neverright:  "I think Gough will do his best and won't intentionally be biased towards either side. I also believe that there is a hell of a difference between a ref being 'influenced' by media comments etc and a ref being 'got at'. The latter has serious connotations to it."
Gough is doing the mayo Kerry game.

Coldrick is doing this one.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 24/08/2017 21:30:36    2037330

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Expecting a seismic battle between two great teams. I expect Tyrone to get the job done by a couple of points after another classic battle and join Mayo in the final to make for two novel and exciting finals this year.

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 24/08/2017 21:47:37    2037334

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Tyrone team named. I would have preferred McClure ahead of Mulgrew from the start i think. Although Mulgrew has an uncanny ability of getting on the ball in pockets of space, i think McClures size and physicality would have caused Dublin problems in midfield.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 24/08/2017 22:07:30    2037345

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "at this stage the gaa hierarchy and rte will be brickin it if tyrone win on suday. with this mh boycott of rte a tyrone win would f--k up the weekend programme schedule of up for the match, being in both hotels etc. Watch for the dodgy calls for Dublin if it is a close game or if tyrone are a couple of points ahead with a few mins to go, or a lot of extra mins"
Nice defeatist attitude to have, that's the spirit...blame the ref too, I know some of the Tyrone brethren can be slightly paranoid like your coach with regards the GAA and media but get a grip man.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/08/2017 22:12:56    2037348

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Exactly it's a disgusting trait of many people leading up to this game , of trying to get at the ref before the ball is thrown in. Now it is a pointless exercise as David is above it all and will not be influenced by any of it, he is by far the most dedicated ref I have ever seen, this whataboutury from some circles will not have its desired effect. In trying to taint a unpaid official in a certain light is a very premiership/English/ soccer mentality. Again unfortunately for those trying to besmirch a good man it won't do them any good . As David couldn't give a rats behind about them. He will call every call as he sees it without fear or favour. Isn't that all we ask for in any official? He like any other ref might not get every decision right in hindsight, but at the time he will in his own professional opinion."
Well said.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8006 - 24/08/2017 22:44:41    2037362

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I think you just described what Donegal did to them in the 2014 semi final, beat them by 6 points, they were well rattled towards the end, taking pot shots and lots of wides,it was the last time Dublin were beaten in the championship, I expect that record to still be intact entering the 2018 series too.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts:128 - 24/08/2017 00:42:58 2036985

This is a different scenario, but same principles apply in some ways.

In 2014 a lot of Donegal's key players were the wrong side of 30, and they had lost a lot of their intensity and pace breaking forward. Their Ulster title run and AIQF win over Armagh hardly set the world alight, but their defence was still formidable, but their attack was far weaker than 2012. They beat a Dublin side who were arguably at their peak simply because Dublin were defensively naive, and Donegal still had the best defence in the business and enough attacking experience to punish Dublin's defensive naivety.

Tyrone are a different proposition from 2014 Donegal, they are a team on an upward trend physically and in terms of intensity, they steamrolled their way through Ulster to another Ulster title and dispatched Armagh with relatively ease. Their defence is formidable, but so too is their attack. Now while Dublin have addressed their defensive mistakes, they are still a fairly attack minded team, which means Tyrone will get chances. It will just depend on whether Tyrone take those chances on the day, Tyrone's defence will provide Dublin attack with their stiffest test in a few years.

The question is whether this Tyrone team have the kinda balls that legendary Tyrone side of the Noughties had, whether they will step up and take the opportunities that are put in front of them. I believe its theirs for the taking this year.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 24/08/2017 23:16:27    2037368

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