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Dublin v Tyrone Semi-Final

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Fair points mate, I was practically impressed with Kildare this year myself, i think they are of reasonably midtable Div 1 team albeit a bit under-cooked in terms of game management and savvy. Monaghan are as hard boiled as anyone in the country. But again i take your point, its all about opinions when looking at the opposition.

What i like about Dublin and Tyrone (and believe both have a good chance of winning this desptie my own confidence, i also while i believe the winner of this will win the whole thing), is that they are probably the two most balanced sides in the country. Look at all the lines and its hard to find fault. For me the team with the best balance between defense and attack wins the all Ireland.

I do think Tyrone come into this with it all to prove. That can be a good thing and a bad thing."
Agree I would have Dubs marginal favourites who knows what Tyrone will do on the day but I reckon they will have to go for it like they did against Donegal and if they do who knows. Would bet against another draw - if Tyrone manage to topple Dubs that would be one hell of a scalp.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/08/2017 16:01:02    2036103

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Replying To essmac:  "Not excuses. Facts. You have better players. I presume you agree with that? And Tyrone have taken over from Meath as the most disliked team in the country. That's hardly in dispute either. To prevail, Tyrone would need to be good enough to win handsomely and that is not remotely realistic against the Dubs. You'll win primarily because you have more good players. We'd need the ref to lean to us to have any chance. And, given how disliked Tyrone are, the chances of any ref making the big calls in our favour are remote. No need for excuses, we're a well-drilled team who'll make a game of it, but Dublin would have to have a few howlers for us to win it. Just look at the two teams' respective records over the last near-decade and draw the obvious conclusion."
Not excuses. Facts.?

What part of "everyone else in the country (including refs) would prefer to see Dublin in the final" is a fact?

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 21/08/2017 16:26:14    2036111

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "The era is hardly very poor, it's no worse than what Kerry and Tyrone faced in the 00's or what Kerry faced in the 70's and 80's."
I agree, that's utter BS, the best Mayo team of all time have been here for all of it, if Kerry won a few tight games recently and won the AIs instead of Dublin they would be saying this Kerry team is one of the greats etc.
Its no different than any other decades really, when has there ever been more than a handful of teams in with a shout?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 21/08/2017 18:34:25    2036147

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Just wondering if this could be a bit of a cat-and-mouse type of game, maybe low scoring. Tyrone will set up defensively and hope Dublin push up on them, then turn them over and attack into the space. However Dublin are unlikely to commit everybody forward and leave themselves open to the counter-attack. I think we might see Dublin playing keep ball around the middle of the field, not taking the ball into contact and kicking long range scores. If this happens it might be a low scoring game. Be interesting to see what Tyrone would do if they can't lure Dublin in and force turnovers. Really looking forward to this game as it is going to be fascinating.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1906 - 21/08/2017 21:25:17    2036190

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i think we all know what way tyrone are gona set up, and what they are gona bring to the game. without a doubt dublin have the better starting 15. The pressure is all on dublin to turn up on the day and a few factors could turn it into an even pairing, rain, refereeing decisions.

its gona be intriguing watching the best defensive team against the best attacking force in the game today, tyrones fouling rate in scoring positions is close to non existant, they will do extremely well to rack up 15+ points from play. if tyrone click they have the capabilities to stun dublin

jmcm (Galway) - Posts: 1 - 21/08/2017 22:34:08    2036212

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I will be honest I think there is less pressure on Dublin against Tyrone as oppossed to Mayo or Kerry. Many people have predicted a Tyrone win, Tyrone are takling up their chances and Dublin have been very media quiet.

It will not be an open game as Tyrone will keep it tight and are not going to go balls out at Dublin.

I think it will be a tight tense affair.

I am going for a 0-18 to 0-16 win for us........Connolly to come on with 10 minutes left to bring us from 2 points down to win by 2 points :)

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/08/2017 07:48:08    2036262

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Just wondering if this could be a bit of a cat-and-mouse type of game, maybe low scoring. Tyrone will set up defensively and hope Dublin push up on them, then turn them over and attack into the space. However Dublin are unlikely to commit everybody forward and leave themselves open to the counter-attack. I think we might see Dublin playing keep ball around the middle of the field, not taking the ball into contact and kicking long range scores. If this happens it might be a low scoring game. Be interesting to see what Tyrone would do if they can't lure Dublin in and force turnovers. Really looking forward to this game as it is going to be fascinating."
It could be an awful game. I suspect, like you say, that Tyrone will bring bodies back. Dublin will certainly not over commit going forward. Scoring from distance could be vital but like the game against Monaghan the key for Dublin is to try and get some early scores on the board. Tyrone will then have to open up and Dublin have the forwards to do the damage and it could get interesting. The flip side may be a low scoring dour defensive stalemate.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 22/08/2017 08:57:57    2036275

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I reckon this game won't be for the purists, in fact I expect it to be fairly poor if we get rain on Sunday. Neither team will care of course as long as they get over the line. Tyrone's counter attacking game is made to hold Dublin. I don't think any other team defensively are set up to handle the Dublin attack as well as Tyrone appear to be. At the same time, I don't see Dublin getting caught on the counter like they did in 2014. As long as Dublin don't concede any soft goals then I'm not sure where Tyrone will get their scores from. Tyrone score freely when their opponents open up and have to get scores themselves, but when it's the other way around I don't think Tyrone have enough of attacking threat to outscore Dublin without a bit of luck.
I'm not sure if Dublin will get scores or enjoy their 3rd quarter rejuvenation as easily as they would against other teams. Tyrone will stifle them and keep asking questions of their forwards. Dublin have terrific patience and their ability to recycle ball and keep coming is scary, they never appear to be beaten. But we're yet to see this season how this Dublin forward line would respond to a tight defending team like Tyrone. Are their forwards as tuned in mentally as they need to be when the scores don't come.
Still, I can't wait for it all the same

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 22/08/2017 10:13:57    2036294

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Replying To jmcm:  "i think we all know what way tyrone are gona set up, and what they are gona bring to the game. without a doubt dublin have the better starting 15. The pressure is all on dublin to turn up on the day and a few factors could turn it into an even pairing, rain, refereeing decisions.

its gona be intriguing watching the best defensive team against the best attacking force in the game today, tyrones fouling rate in scoring positions is close to non existant, they will do extremely well to rack up 15+ points from play. if tyrone click they have the capabilities to stun dublin"
there is absolutely no pressure on dublin at all. We are going for 3 all irelands in a row, a 4th in 5 years. 1 game in league and championship we have lost out of the last 40. we won 4 national leagues in a row and the one defeat we had was by a point against kerry where we hit the post with the last kick of the game to take it into extra time. we have nothing to prove to anybody. nothing. I also think you are dramatising the idea that Tyrone may well 'stun ' dublin... it wouldn't exactly be a major shock if a top 4 team beat dublin come on for feck sake. An average enough side like say... Clare or meath beating dublink would stun us... Tyrone absolutely wouldnt. I think Tyrone have every chance....ultimately I'll stick with dublin though

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 22/08/2017 10:28:00    2036302

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Agree I would have Dubs marginal favourites who knows what Tyrone will do on the day but I reckon they will have to go for it like they did against Donegal and if they do who knows. Would bet against another draw - if Tyrone manage to topple Dubs that would be one hell of a scalp."
Dublin bench to finish the job I think

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 22/08/2017 10:49:19    2036311

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It'll be a tough game alright. With Tyrone keeping 15 men behind the ball at all times and trying their best to get Dublin players red carded, I expect an atrocious game reminiscent of the bad old days of Ulster teams playing rugby instead of Gaelic football. I just hope the referee clamps down on Tyrone's dirty tricks early on.
Having said that, the talk in the Tyrone camp is that they only have to turn up on Sunday and they'll walk over Dublin. They already have their accommodation booked for the final. Perhaps we should just hand Tyrone Sam now and move on to next year?

bangbang (Dublin) - Posts: 113 - 22/08/2017 11:27:18    2036325

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Replying To jmcm:  "i think we all know what way tyrone are gona set up, and what they are gona bring to the game. without a doubt dublin have the better starting 15. The pressure is all on dublin to turn up on the day and a few factors could turn it into an even pairing, rain, refereeing decisions.

its gona be intriguing watching the best defensive team against the best attacking force in the game today, tyrones fouling rate in scoring positions is close to non existant, they will do extremely well to rack up 15+ points from play. if tyrone click they have the capabilities to stun dublin"
nonsense.
Tyrone will bring the exact same thing that Dublin will - a tight defense, controlled tackling, support play, counterattacking, recylcing off the ball when few options, high fitness levels. The difference is only in the quality of the players. That is Tyrone have the better quality, only joking we are second best on this front.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 22/08/2017 11:44:05    2036334

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Replying To witnof:  "I will be honest I think there is less pressure on Dublin against Tyrone as oppossed to Mayo or Kerry. Many people have predicted a Tyrone win, Tyrone are takling up their chances and Dublin have been very media quiet.

It will not be an open game as Tyrone will keep it tight and are not going to go balls out at Dublin.

I think it will be a tight tense affair.

I am going for a 0-18 to 0-16 win for us........Connolly to come on with 10 minutes left to bring us from 2 points down to win by 2 points :)"
I agree there is not much pressure on Dublin. We are way into bonus territory after 4 AI's this decade. If Tyrone win on Sunday the Dubs will get a standing ovation from their own.

I'd like to see Dublin breaking tackles and taking points from range rather than searching and searching. Easier said than done I know.

On a good day I'm confident we can out point Tyrone. Goal taking could decide it.

SirStrawHat (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 22/08/2017 11:48:53    2036336

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Replying To bangbang:  "It'll be a tough game alright. With Tyrone keeping 15 men behind the ball at all times and trying their best to get Dublin players red carded, I expect an atrocious game reminiscent of the bad old days of Ulster teams playing rugby instead of Gaelic football. I just hope the referee clamps down on Tyrone's dirty tricks early on.
Having said that, the talk in the Tyrone camp is that they only have to turn up on Sunday and they'll walk over Dublin. They already have their accommodation booked for the final. Perhaps we should just hand Tyrone Sam now and move on to next year?"
haha nice try. Dont think there will be many biting. you were too obvious. Should have left it at dirty tactics

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 22/08/2017 11:52:01    2036337

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Replying To bangbang:  "It'll be a tough game alright. With Tyrone keeping 15 men behind the ball at all times and trying their best to get Dublin players red carded, I expect an atrocious game reminiscent of the bad old days of Ulster teams playing rugby instead of Gaelic football. I just hope the referee clamps down on Tyrone's dirty tricks early on.
Having said that, the talk in the Tyrone camp is that they only have to turn up on Sunday and they'll walk over Dublin. They already have their accommodation booked for the final. Perhaps we should just hand Tyrone Sam now and move on to next year?"
Wouldn't even know where to start with that. I think you'll find the general feel about the county is that we are good enough to beat Dublin but will need to be on top of our game and hope they are not, as well as a bit of luck. Don't know whether you're genuinely deluded or just a WUM.

passerby (Tyrone) - Posts: 724 - 22/08/2017 11:53:28    2036338

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I think playing really defensively would be a massive mistake for Tyrone.The Dubs have worked out how to deal with the blanket defence quite well now an I'd say they're hoping Tyrone are defensive against them.

Tyrone really have to go at Dublin , put them under pressure early in the game and have a lead early on, I think if Dublin get an early lead then it could be a comfortable enough day for them , Tyrone get infront and pressure them then it could be a different story.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/08/2017 13:03:28    2036369

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It does kind of feel like bonus territory. I have absolutely no anxiety thus far toward the game, not that i dont expect it to be tough and we could be beaten, but i am very confident.

Hopefully the players are more are more wound up and focused then me, i know they will be. Its an odd feeling having no fear.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4517 - 22/08/2017 13:17:04    2036374

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Replying To keithlemon:  "I reckon this game won't be for the purists, in fact I expect it to be fairly poor if we get rain on Sunday. Neither team will care of course as long as they get over the line. Tyrone's counter attacking game is made to hold Dublin. I don't think any other team defensively are set up to handle the Dublin attack as well as Tyrone appear to be. At the same time, I don't see Dublin getting caught on the counter like they did in 2014. As long as Dublin don't concede any soft goals then I'm not sure where Tyrone will get their scores from. Tyrone score freely when their opponents open up and have to get scores themselves, but when it's the other way around I don't think Tyrone have enough of attacking threat to outscore Dublin without a bit of luck.
I'm not sure if Dublin will get scores or enjoy their 3rd quarter rejuvenation as easily as they would against other teams. Tyrone will stifle them and keep asking questions of their forwards. Dublin have terrific patience and their ability to recycle ball and keep coming is scary, they never appear to be beaten. But we're yet to see this season how this Dublin forward line would respond to a tight defending team like Tyrone. Are their forwards as tuned in mentally as they need to be when the scores don't come.
Still, I can't wait for it all the same"
re: "Are their forwards as tuned in mentally as they need to be when the scores don't come"

Can't see that being an issue. The difference between Dublin winning close games is that they have plenty to step up to score if others are not playing well or are well/double marked. Donegal last year was a good indicator. They done a very good job shutting out BB (kept scoreless ) but then Connolly, Kevin Mc and Andrews found space to influence the scoreboard. Even after DC was sent off, the bench got us over the line. Mannion coming on and hitting 1-1.

Granted Tyrone 2017 are a tougher team. However I don't see Dublin losing this because of panic or not being patient.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 22/08/2017 13:20:12    2036375

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Replying To bangbang:  "It'll be a tough game alright. With Tyrone keeping 15 men behind the ball at all times and trying their best to get Dublin players red carded, I expect an atrocious game reminiscent of the bad old days of Ulster teams playing rugby instead of Gaelic football. I just hope the referee clamps down on Tyrone's dirty tricks early on.
Having said that, the talk in the Tyrone camp is that they only have to turn up on Sunday and they'll walk over Dublin. They already have their accommodation booked for the final. Perhaps we should just hand Tyrone Sam now and move on to next year?"
I don't think that is fair re dirty tricks from Tyrone, they are no better or no worse than any of the other top teams, they just seem to get called out on it more by the media. In fact I would say this is a very clean and fair Tyrone team, their tackling is exemplary and I can't recall a single unsavoury incident this year involving them, talk about giving a dog a bad name.

A player I think is really underrated is Tiernan McCann, he got dogs abuse for the hairgate incident a few years ago but since then he has got his head down and played some great football, a great example of how to learn from a mistake and become a better footballer. BTW where the hell do the McCann brothers get their hair cut...just so I can avoid that barber lol.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1906 - 22/08/2017 13:24:57    2036377

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Mal Clerkin in Monday's Irish Times reckons Tyrone has no real chance:

"Tyrone's record against good teams outside of Ulster has been deplorable over the past decade. The numbers are worth another airing: since they won the 2008 All-Ireland, they've played eight non-Ulster Division One teams in championship and lost seven times. They haven't beaten Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008, and have instead lost twice against all three."

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/tipping-point-tyrone-need-more-than-a-song-to-beat-dublin-1.3192350

Hard to argue with that, if we're honest about it.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 22/08/2017 14:03:34    2036395

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