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"The rushed along Super 8 proposals. They came out of the blue..." Maybe to you they did bit they were available to Joe Public from August 2016 and were the result of long and extensive discussions with many stakeholders in the months leading up to that
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 15/07/2017 23:37:34 2017239 Link 0 |
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I've no idea where you are getting that figure of 50 matches from. Maybe you could back it up with some evidence
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 15/07/2017 23:40:26 2017241 Link 0 |
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https://presspack.rte.ie/2007/05/02/rtes-strongest-championship-squad-yet-to-deliver-most-comprehensive-gaa-coverage-ever/
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 16/07/2017 07:41:21 2017308 Link 0 |
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http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2016/02/03/news/gaelic-football-attendances-rise---but-hurling-crowds-fall-404452/ https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/mounting-gaa-concern-over-the-decline-in-attendances-1.2737954%3Fmode%3Damp http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/revealed-the-attendance-figures-for-the-gaa-football-championships-are-a-cause-for-concern-35145508.html So what we've got in these 3 articles is the GAA talking about needing to tighten their belts because of development projects. 29th July they say they need to look at Championship structures, not that they have been in the process of reviewing championship structures. 20th October championship proposal's sent to county boards, included with the attendance figures. This is why I came to my feeling. I agree I'm not privy to the inner workings of the GAA but what I'm saying isn't coming from nowhere. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 16/07/2017 07:55:37 2017309 Link 1 |
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Suppose us diaspora are consider dead when we are forced to leave the country. In today's world I won't see the Sunday nights Sunday game till Tuesday maybe Irish people and Irish TV should cop on to themselves. I'm paying 108 pound a month for sky and another 11 pound for premier sports otherwise I'd be in the pub all weekend am which neither I can really afford to do. The streets aren't paved with gold outside Ireland we still have to pay tax, rent, mortgages etc. like people in Ireland. I can understand people arguments about sky having the right but surely then rte and tv3 could have the rights in Ireland and sky have them in the UK and elsewhere or Irish TV channels could just pull there fingers out and go on UK TV providers. This rubbish about adverts in Ireland being on UK TV look at sky it shows Irish ads on its Irish feed and UK ads on its UK feed and ads from Irish companies that sponsor the gaa on its UK feed. You consider the distance between Ireland and Britain and its a struggle to get Irish TV channels when people from other parts of the world can easily get TV from their homelands.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 16/07/2017 09:43:25 2017326 Link 0 |
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GAAGO is available around the world for the diaspora. It's not made available in the U.K. because of the Sky deal. Premier sports were showing live GAA in the U.K. before the Sky deal. It only cost £10 at the time. I don't understand why the Sky deal is actually better for the Irish diaspora in the U.K. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 16/07/2017 10:05:49 2017336 Link 1 |
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Journalists report what they want to report, that usually means whatever sells papers and gets their stories read. The new championship structures are a stepping stone to a restructured championship. Every county in Ireland was given the opportunity to provide input and the proposal was sent to counties in August 2016 to give them time to digest. The media were briefed in Croke Park in August and a proposal was published but counties were already well aware of an outline plan. Of course journalists just reported on the headline controversial points because that's what gets clicks. http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/proposal-the-format-the-all-ireland-sfc/. An updated document was published in October http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/football-championship-proposal/. We rely on journalists to report the facts in a balanced manner but that rarely happens and the public are being fed soundbites only. I think that when this new structure kicks in, though it will almost certainly modified in a few years, it will be a great success and we'll all be wondering what the fuss was all about. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2017 10:12:17 2017338 Link 0 |
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But not 50 "live" matches which is what you implied. The "50" included radio coverage a tv highlights. The conversation was about live games
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2017 10:15:18 2017341 Link 2 |
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Pity hardly anyone saw it though.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 16/07/2017 10:35:32 2017351 Link 1 |
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The Sky deal is definitely not better for us watching over here but it definitely has increased the games profile over here. The only debate is whether the GAA want an increased profile in the UK and if they do whether the negatives of the Sky deal is a price worth paying.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/07/2017 10:38:35 2017353 Link 0 |
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On one hand I understand where Duignan is coming from, but on the other, maybe he should look at his own station RTE, and the coverage they give to gaelic games. How many times is GAA the last segment mentioned on the sports news. What about RTE'S coverage of league football? This consists of an hour, in which they cram in highlights, and offer little analysis. Also, on league Sunday, they barely mention any of the bottom 16 counties, what about the old men and women in those counties, who don't see their game covered. The reality is, RTE are having a whinge about losing certain games, when they couldn't be bothered with proper coverage prior to this. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1661 - 16/07/2017 11:35:30 2017376 Link 0 |
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The thing is, if Sky are excluded from the market it means the rights are sold to RTE for cheaper and TV3 pick up the games that Sky don't get and get them at a cheaper rate. Personally I don't think that's any improvement -- in fact it's a lot worse. People need to go out and attend the games and support their teams. If Sky are showing a game I want to see, it's no bother, I can go to the pub and drink water or beer depending on my choice, or I can sit in the local bookies and watch the game there with the sound off. Otherwise I can stay at home and listen to it on the radio which is fine too. I don't feel deprived or exploited or taken advantage of that I can't see every game on terrestrial TV.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2015 - 16/07/2017 12:03:52 2017382 Link 1 |
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Including Tipperary people who couldn't be bothered to support their own team. I suppose that's Sky's fault as well. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 16/07/2017 12:21:53 2017389 Link 1 |
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Including Tipperary people who couldn't be bothered to support their own team. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 16/07/2017 12:48:27 2017398 Link 0 |
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· More matches: now in its 29th Year, Ireland's Premier GAA television programme, The Sunday Game, returns for another action packed season featuring over 50 games exclusively live and extensive highlights of every other game in the Championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 16/07/2017 13:33:30 2017408 Link 0 |
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Thanks for the tips but I know how to read a news report and be aware that they're subject to bias. Whatever about my use of the term "rushed through" proposals, the super 8 section is changing the one part of the championship that didn't particularly need changed. Not that I'm necessarily against the Super 8, I just think it should've been coupled with more games earlier in the championship. Overall the new proposals make good changes by reducing the number of replays and by also cutting down the gaps between matches. So I'm not on here just to complain about the new championship, despite having concerns over the affect it could have on competitiveness. Back to my original point. Taking information from a number of these articles it feels to me that the GAA is finding things tight financially. That worries me. It's just my perception of things but I feel I've shown that I'm not just pulling this out of my arse. I've provided a hell of a lot more evidence for an opinion than is usually produced by people on this site. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 16/07/2017 13:49:58 2017417 Link 0 |
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look..Micheael Duignan and his ilk (I see someone elsewhere on theis blog paying €108 per month for SKY saying they dont go to the pub..at that money it would nearly be cheaper go to the pub!!..anyway)..its a bit like Joan Burton saying the time that "everyone has a smart phone"...that is not true..I dont and alot of people (primarily older people) do not have a smart phone..why does everyone have to have what everyone else thinks they should have...the same with SKY...I have it..Michael Duignan has it and many more have it...and guess what many many many more DO NOT HAVE IT or cannot afford it..Michael Duignan is arguing for those people....whether he has it or not, no more than me, is irrelvant, the Sunday game should be on over 2 nights to cover all games properly anyway..some of their highlights are an insult to the teams taking part....
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1037 - 16/07/2017 14:04:53 2017419 Link 0 |
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Fairplayalways hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/07/2017 14:18:02 2018661 Link 0 |
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It may not be great for those based in the UK (in fact I'm pretty sure it was a worse deal than the previous one) but for those of us outside these islands it's a better deal. Prior to the Sky Deal/GAAGO it could be very dicey at times trying to see championship matches, as not all of the Irish pubs reliably show GAA and there are not that many reliable streams (and the streaming sites tends to be clamped down upon the further we go into the championship). It used to be even worse in the US/Canada a few years back, where Setanta/ the pubs charged $20 in to watch a match of a morning, before you'd had anything to eat or drink. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2017 15:44:45 2018732 Link 0 |
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If he was arguing on his own behalf then yes. But he was arguing on behalf of the wider audience at large, many of whom might not have the money, the facility or the wherewithal to get Sky. So no.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 18/07/2017 15:48:54 2018739 Link 0 |