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Difficult to know whether to start dowling after the the game in Ennis. He was first out and won a lot of ball but he doesn't seem to have the gears to get away from his marker. Then flanagan got cleaned out by his marker and couldn't get any space at all. Whatever team starts we need to be sharp on the sideline about changing things around. Maybe have the inside forwards rotate constantly. The half forwards know that part of their job is to funnel back and help the half back line/midfield disrupt the KK attacks. If we have learnt from last year we will be thereabouts at 3:25pm on Sunday. We did an awful lot of hurling in Nowlan Park last year that was not intelligent. This year we seem to have our gameplans working apart from Ennis. At least we have options for the full forward line and even some lads cant make the bench! We were years looking out over the ditch for a forward. I think if we play to our potential on Sunday we will have enough to beat them. Roll on Sunday. Hands (Limerick) - Posts: 9 - 12/07/2018 11:29:22 2120935 Link
Couldn't disagree more on Dowling his lack of speed completely alters our ability to play the system that has been working all year. He wouldn't even be in my first 2 subs for the full forward line which would be Casey and Pat Ryan both speedsters who can cut defences open. If he stands at the edge of the square as he did against Waterford and Clare Walsh will eat him alive as he did against Galway the first day. Think his lack of game time against Carlow reflects his current standing in my view welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 12/07/2018 11:30:04 2120936 Link
Replying To LarryOBrother: "I think the 2 single biggest issues that have to be addressed for Limerick to win are how you deal with TJ and Cillian Buckley. 1. Who is going to man mark TJ? - If you don't have a man marker and leave Declan Hannon in the free centre back role he's been playing to date TJ will destroy ye. 2. Is Kyle Hayes going to play center forward in the roving style he has been playing? I think you need an out an out attacker to trouble cilian Buckley and keep him occupied. If not he is the launch point for Kilkennys attacks and is like a magnet to loose ball if he is left free to read the game and pick up breaks. From the outside looking in I would put Morrissey on Reid for the whole game and start Tom Morrissey centre forward as he appears to be your best scoring forward at present." I'd like to see DoD Marshall Reid. He has the athleticism and hurling to keep him quiet. If expect tom them to drop in and give lynch a hand in the middle. Hegarty will sweep back around to help hannon . Hayes will be on buckley. Hayes did a very underestimated job on paudie Maher and is an ideal man to snuff out buckley effectiveness on match. Hayes also loves to run straight at goal from 30-40 out which will trouble buckley. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/07/2018 11:47:10 2120943 Link
Replying To welpastit: "Couldn't disagree more on Dowling his lack of speed completely alters our ability to play the system that has been working all year. He wouldn't even be in my first 2 subs for the full forward line which would be Casey and Pat Ryan both speedsters who can cut defences open. If he stands at the edge of the square as he did against Waterford and Clare Walsh will eat him alive as he did against Galway the first day. Think his lack of game time against Carlow reflects his current standing in my view" The kk backs will smother our ability to play that low ball in. Cody knows how limerick play and will want to play. He'll drop his hf line right back and snuff out the space inside. This will be an incredibly tactical match. We will not be allowed to isolate lads inside to pick up handy diagonal ball. I'm not advocating anyone to start over another but galway went route one all day with Glynn standing on the square which tormented Walsh. I know glynn is a freak but we need to think outside the box here a bit. I'd probably start gillane on the square to be honest with Flanagan in the corner. Gillane is probably our best fielder in the inside line and will trouble Walsh as Aaron has a truckload of hurling to boot. Dowling is a serious contender to play a role. He had a huge game in Nolan park last year. My preference would be mul or Casey Gillane on square and Flanagan in other corner. Flanagan for me has been better when in the corner roaming to the sideline. Dowling might be needed if space is at a minimum inside. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/07/2018 12:12:24 2120956 Link
Replying To skule111: " Replying To munsterchamps: "[quote=Gavin94: "[quote=beirbua: "N Quaid; S Finn, M Casey, R English; D Byrnes , D Hannon, D Morrissey ; D O'Donovan, C Lynch ; T Morrissey , K Hayes, G Hegarty ; S Flanagan , A Gillane , G Mulcahy. I reckon the above may be starting 15 (same selection started against Cork)" Good lineout and likely to be the selected 15. Flanagan may start at 14 rather than 13. My only reservation would be Mike Casey and how easily John Conlon was able to get away from him and win several 50/50 balls in Cusack Park. Should we possibly go with a bigger/more physical CB in the forms of Richie Mc or Seamus Hickey or even Richie English who is excellent in the air. I like Casey and believe he is a solid player but KK do have that edge to their playersto do even more damage than Conlon did and as Casey wasn't 100% against him (not solely laying blame on his feet for the loss to Clare) should we gamble with him or even relocate him to another position in defence?" the only ones with a chance of breaking into the team are peter casey and richie mc.....i'm thinking the management will put the clare match down to an off day and possibly go with the same team again."]I like Casey as a hurlet but he is not for Sunday as Kilkenny would target him like they targeted Hickey in that All Ireland in 2007. Richie McCartby has to start and if Casey is picked at full back we will be in troue. I would also start Peter Casey and Dowling instead of Flanagan and Mulcahy as I feel they will do better off the bench. We haven't beating Kilkenny in a major game since 1973. The time to beat them is now and we will see on Sunday if they have what it takes. I have faith in the players and if Kiely makes the right calls I believe we will with by at least 4 points."]This is another poorly disguised attempt at tranferring one's wish to have their buddy/sentimental favorite player/ free guinness for life club chum start at at full back or any other position at all cost ,even at expense of team club and rank and file supporter. I for one am grateful that this year, we have 3-4 options rather as opposed to having a player show up who is 5 -15 pounds overweight and out of shape for the past 5 or so years, secure in the knowledge that there is "no competition for my spot". That to me is highly in consideration of my the other 26 or some boys on the panel whom busted their gut 4-5 times a week to "be the best they can be. Sorry for the brutal honesty but am replying here to a few recent posts trying to mind bend . Its a 70 minute game requiring full attention and focus and not an occasional swashbuckling dash every now and then on the popularity runway. No one "has to" play anywhere. It's all on the day and form in training, and being mndfiul of the opposition. Am happy to go along with John Kiely's pick for 1-15 s as well as his calls on who and when to substitute. , "right or wrong". Looking at the big picture he already has us in a good place this year , that is not to say we cannot and should not expect more.: Unfortunately we never know if it s the right call until we read the scoreboard at the end of the game. In the meantime, "In Kiely we Trust" : Come On ye Boys In Green PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 12/07/2018 12:58:46 2120978 Link
Here's to bossing and beating Killkeny and all that it implies. Here's to a referee , unemcumbered by opposing sideline, and all that it implies.. "The dying wasp stings the hardest" Come On Ye Boys In Green!! PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 12/07/2018 13:02:20 2120979 Link
Sorry .. my last post got inadvertently linked. ..here is untethered version.. This is another poorly disguised attempt at tranferring one's wish to have their buddy/sentimental favorite player/ free guinness for life club chum start at at full back or any other position at all cost ,even at expense of team club and rank and file supporter. I for one am grateful that this year, we have 3-4 options rather as opposed to having a player show up who is 5 -15 pounds overweight and out of shape for the past 5 or so years, secure in the knowledge that there is "no competition for my spot". That to me is highly inconsiderate the other 26 or so boys on the panel who busted their gut 4-5 times a week to "be the best they can be: . Sorry for the brutal honesty but am replying here to a few recent posts trying to mind bend . Its a 70 minute game requiring full attention and focus and not an occasional swashbuckling dash every now and then on the popularity runway. No one "has to" play anywhere. It's all on the day and form in training, and being mndfiul of the opposition. Am happy to go along with John Kiely's pick for 1-15 s as well as his calls on who and when to substitute. , "right or wrong". Looking at the big picture he already has us in a good place this year , that is not to say we cannot and should not expect more.: Unfortunately we never know if it s the right call until we read the scoreboard at the end of the game. In the meantime, "In Kiely we Trust" : Come On ye Boys In Green"... PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 12/07/2018 13:37:09 2120991 Link
Replying To daveboy: "I'd like to see DoD Marshall Reid. He has the athleticism and hurling to keep him quiet. If expect tom them to drop in and give lynch a hand in the middle. Hegarty will sweep back around to help hannon . Hayes will be on buckley. Hayes did a very underestimated job on paudie Maher and is an ideal man to snuff out buckley effectiveness on match. Hayes also loves to run straight at goal from 30-40 out which will trouble buckley." I get what your saying but has DOD ever done a man marking job on anyone let alone anyone of the caliber of TJ Reid. Big ask. Best chance is in exposing the KK full back line by puling half backs out. You need to start Gillane, Mulcahy and Flanagan inside to take advantage. LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 12/07/2018 14:27:42 2121014 Link
Replying To LarryOBrother: "I get what your saying but has DOD ever done a man marking job on anyone let alone anyone of the caliber of TJ Reid. Big ask. Best chance is in exposing the KK full back line by puling half backs out. You need to start Gillane, Mulcahy and Flanagan inside to take advantage." The kk half back line won't get pulled out. You're right in what you're saying in that has been limericks MO all year to utilise the inside line. Cody imo won't allow this to happen. Limerick could very well not do a man marking job on reid and just let the half backs deal with him. But because he drifts so far out I feel the need is there. We haven't really had the need to do this in recent times. But Sunday I think we should. He is the fulcrum for kk . I think DoD could do well in just shadowing him. Aerially Reid will dominate him but on kk puckouts limerick will have him marked by one of the hbs. In open play I think limerick will have him guarded. Those 3 more than likely will start and I'd put gillane on Walsh. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/07/2018 14:46:55 2121023 Link
Replying To PatOLogical: "Sorry .. my last post got inadvertently linked. ..here is untethered version.. This is another poorly disguised attempt at tranferring one's wish to have their buddy/sentimental favorite player/ free guinness for life club chum start at at full back or any other position at all cost ,even at expense of team club and rank and file supporter. I for one am grateful that this year, we have 3-4 options rather as opposed to having a player show up who is 5 -15 pounds overweight and out of shape for the past 5 or so years, secure in the knowledge that there is "no competition for my spot". That to me is highly inconsiderate the other 26 or so boys on the panel who busted their gut 4-5 times a week to "be the best they can be: . Sorry for the brutal honesty but am replying here to a few recent posts trying to mind bend . Its a 70 minute game requiring full attention and focus and not an occasional swashbuckling dash every now and then on the popularity runway. No one "has to" play anywhere. It's all on the day and form in training, and being mndfiul of the opposition. Am happy to go along with John Kiely's pick for 1-15 s as well as his calls on who and when to substitute. , "right or wrong". Looking at the big picture he already has us in a good place this year , that is not to say we cannot and should not expect more.: Unfortunately we never know if it s the right call until we read the scoreboard at the end of the game. In the meantime, "In Kiely we Trust" : Come On ye Boys In Green"..." Another outrageous and disgraceful post by a disgraceful poster. This in Kiely we trust mantra will only last until he picks the player that you have a personal vendetta against. Some of the stuff on here this week is beyond belief. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 12/07/2018 15:25:18 2121037 Link
If we are going to man mark tj Reid then Seamus hickey has to start. Posters are judging him on his form at fullback. I'd pick him to man mark tj Reid as he had successfully done before if any posters with short memories might forget. brud (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 12/07/2018 17:50:23 2121083 Link
Replying To welpastit: "Couldn't disagree more on Dowling his lack of speed completely alters our ability to play the system that has been working all year. He wouldn't even be in my first 2 subs for the full forward line which would be Casey and Pat Ryan both speedsters who can cut defences open. If he stands at the edge of the square as he did against Waterford and Clare Walsh will eat him alive as he did against Galway the first day. Think his lack of game time against Carlow reflects his current standing in my view" I think your being a bit harsh there on Dowling as his work rate has improved a ton on what it was. The day against Waterford he definitely didn't just stay on the edge of the square and against Clare he had no space in front of him to run into anyway.As for Sunday I agree he does alter the way we have been playing all year but running out for a 50/50 ball with Walsh for any forward is not the way to beat him whereas last Sunday when he was parked on the edge of the square with Glynn he struggled-it's a lot riskier putting your hand up for every ball in their as if you catch 10 but miss 1 that probably ends up in the net. I too don't think we should change from our regular threesome in the ff line-there understanding in very good- but I think Dowling shouldn't be completely ruled out as a change of approach to attack Walsh updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 901 - 12/07/2018 19:06:04 2121102 Link
just like to know what would progress this year constitute. Kilkenny beat us by 3 points at home in c ship last year. .would defeat at a neutral venue by more than 3 deem this year a failure.don't think promotion as important any more with new c.ship layout.Galway won from 1b last year and could do repeat this year.kk scores from play have been dire this year .and we going in with fragile full back line no matter who starts .no point in blaming Ritchie or casey after. they just not cut out for position at this level.maybe after Sunday. people may see something in my stating to try someone out side current thinking there. wishing limerick best of luck flyinghigh (Kerry) - Posts: 213 - 12/07/2018 21:36:14 2121152 Link
I think some of the stuff written about Kilkenny being dirty and referees afraid of Cody and the 'dark arts' is ridiculous. Referencing something Eddie Brennan did 11 years ago and saying he could be locked up for it is a joke, as if to say he shouldn't be allowed commentate on the game because of it. Think of all the dirty strokes Limerick players pulled in the intervening years, think of all the dirty strokes players from every county pulled in the intervening years. I'm not saying that Kilkenny are angels, they'll mix it to get every advantage they can but all teams will. Cody has an aura and I'm sure can be very intimidating but that comes from years of success. If you think that all top modern inter County referees are afraid of him then it's time to get real. To be honest, I think that that type of analysis is downright lazy. Kilkenny will give us plenty on Sunday, but if we are to be serious about being successful then we'll need to give plenty back. What I will say about Cody and the excellent teams he has managed is that they are exceptionally humble, they wore success very well, never boastful, and they were a privilege to watch over the last 20 years. Now let's go out and stick it up to them and beat them on Sunday pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 431 - 12/07/2018 21:37:11 2121153 Link
We HAVE to work as hard as KK - it was just pure grit and agression got them back to witih a point of Galway last Sunday. If we dont match that, we will not beat them. If we match or beat their workrate we can do it. Big ask but its possible ImokillyMan (Cork) - Posts: 221 - 12/07/2018 22:04:23 2121161 Link
This will be a fierce battle. I hope the hurt of being knocked out of last year's championship at the hands of kilkenny should give us plenty of motivation to succeed on Sunday. It surely is high time for us to make a serious march for all Ireland final day. For the last 20 years all I have been listening to is 'Limerick are building' well I am tired of that talk. Many players and managers in that time have come and gone without building anything. We have a strong panel, and it will take all of the panel get us over the line on Sunday. We can do it.believe DurkaDurka (Limerick) - Posts: 63 - 12/07/2018 23:13:36 2121187 Link
Replying To flyinghigh: "just like to know what would progress this year constitute. Kilkenny beat us by 3 points at home in c ship last year. .would defeat at a neutral venue by more than 3 deem this year a failure.don't think promotion as important any more with new c.ship layout.Galway won from 1b last year and could do repeat this year.kk scores from play have been dire this year .and we going in with fragile full back line no matter who starts .no point in blaming Ritchie or casey after. they just not cut out for position at this level.maybe after Sunday. people may see something in my stating to try someone out side current thinking there. wishing limerick best of luck" I'm sure people get the whole 'thinking outside the box' re your views on our so called full back issue i for one don't think we've an issue that merits its attention here im not saying we have no issues i just dont think its as big as some people make it out to be. Anyway if and hopefully it doesn't come to pass we don't but what people were saying was when you suggested we needed to think outside the box mentioning c lynch was crazy for all the reasons outlined already.the general thinking is kyle hayes to do it going forward i for one hope we can utilise his skills elsewhere someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 13/07/2018 00:31:42 2121200 Link
It will be a fierce battle on Sunday, and you can be assured Kilkenny will go for early goals. We will have to get stuck into them and try to cut out the supply to the full forward line. I wouldn't man mark Reid, If he wanders out the field let one of our midfielder or half forward line pick him up. It is essential our half back and full back line don't get dragged around the place, cause if they do we will be in trouble. I think we will win but everything will have to go right from the players to the management team. Best of luck Limerick skule111 (Limerick) - Posts: 119 - 13/07/2018 10:43:24 2121247 Link
Quaid Finn Casey English Byrnes Hannon Morrissey DOD Lynch Hegarty Hayes Morrissey Gillane Flanagan Mulcahy That's the team I expect to be named later. I hope to see Dowling Pat Ryan Casey and Nash on the bench in particular for attacking options to really stretch kk in last 15 mins. Gillane i feel will be put on the square. Mike Casey is a fine full back and should be left there. I think the team picks itself for most parts. I have felt for a while we match up well to kk but as previous posters have said we have to work beyond what we've had to do till now to beat kk. They are very difficult to put away just look at Galway last two weeks and Waterford last year. It will be a monumental step forward for this young team to knock kk out of the championship. I travelled to Nolan park last year in hope. I travel this year in expectation. Luimneach abu. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 13/07/2018 17:12:06 2121391 Link
The panel played an in-house game on Tuesday night. It is interesting that Downes featured heavily on the 1st fifteen which would suggest that he will make the match day 26. Barry Murphy was a sub so it looks like he is slipping down the pecking order all the time. Dowling; Casey; Downes; Nash and Pat Ryan offer serious impact from the bench. I would be slightly critical of management in previous games for being too slow to make changes when it was clear that certain players were struggling. I hope they act a lot quicker on Sunday. lowballs (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 13/07/2018 18:36:17 2121416 Link