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I think you will see Coen on Cian as a marker but Donovan against Burke could be tasty and the Galway fb line and how they line up against our inside 3 will be important
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 898 - 07/08/2018 18:17:17 2130550 Link 0 |
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Great point about Hannon's role on the team. It takes a lot of discipline to stick to the plan when your direct opponent starts to influence the game like Lehane did last week. Hannon has been very good this year without being spectacular. His touch and reading of the game are excellent and he will have a big game in the final.
lowballs (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 07/08/2018 21:57:06 2130628 Link 0 |
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Match ups will be vital. I believe playing Casey on Glynn would be the answer to all Galway prayers. They will deploy Cooney and Glynn at the edge of the square and launch an aerial bombardment in first 15 mins in the hope of racing into a lead. A single isolated aerial mismatch could cost us the game. I think we need to put Byrnes on Glynn we need English to mark Cooney or Flynn who could start instead of Cooney. Finn would then be marking Whelan and Casey would be given the job of following Mannion who is given a licence to go wherever he wants. Mannion is one of most accurate forwards in the game and if left unmarked as he has been occasionally this year including in Salthill he will make us pay. It's not unusual for him to get 5 or 6 points from play. Think the system of half forwards doubling back should limit Cannings influence and protect whoever ends up in Byrnes position for puck outs We have the players to hold this forward line but it is vital that we get the match ups right. If we limit Galway to 5 or 6 points or so in first 15 minutes it would be a massive start welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 08/08/2018 08:19:04 2130703 Link 0 |
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Looking back, managing the NAP boys back into the squad was the making or breaking of this season. It was correct but picking a NAP less 15 for the Tipp game was still a big call. dingo1 (Limerick) - Posts: 281 - 08/08/2018 09:44:47 2130733 Link 0 |
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I hope we play the same style that has got us to the final. If we start messing with our game it could be a recipe for disaster. We need to trust the players and management. Galway are favourites and rightly so but Limerick have a great chance. Let's get behind the team now and only post positive message's of support.
Citygael (None) - Posts: 168 - 08/08/2018 10:12:08 2130742 Link 4 |
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I know Kiely will have to come up with some plan for Glynn but putting Byrnes to mark him would be a massive risk especially when he hasn't been tried at full back before. Totally agree that Casey is at a height disadvantage but I think it's too late now to be chancing a fella who hasn't played there before. Unless I'm wrong does he play there for Patrickswell?
Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 367 - 08/08/2018 10:14:40 2130744 Link 0 |
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Totally agree. Against Tipperary I was shocked we didn't have one starter from na piarsaigh. How wrong I was. Kiely and Co were very astute. By doing this, they have created a super sized competitive panel which is required at this level.
Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 367 - 08/08/2018 10:30:28 2130751 Link 0 |
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I don't see us switching Byrnes to full back either. I would swap Ritchie English and Casey as English is slightly bigger. Plus that's they way that they played back in the 2015 U21. The reality is that Glynn is so big that he's going to catch the bombs against any full back that we deploy there. The only way that you can counter that is to control him when he gets down to ground because Glynn is not a natural inside forward. Our full back has got be be disciplined and clever. You have to plan for these scenario's starting with the basis that Glynn will catch some of these balls. What you don't do is switch around the team and let Galway dictate how we approach the game. Glynn will probably move out to the half forward line for a lot of the game anyway. The way that I'm thinking now is that Limerick will have the chances to win this game. My biggest concern is as to whether we will take them. Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 08/08/2018 10:34:16 2130753 Link 0 |
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I think it will be Casey at full back. He'll just have to do his best to disrupt and hopefully Kiely will have a plan to help him out, maybe Hannon could sit a small bit deeper. Think Casey will have to position himself side on against Glynn and just get the hurley up and horse into him as the ball is coming down. He'll just get overshadowed if he stands in front or behind. Richie Mac a stronger full back but no taller and not as mobile. Throwing anyone else in there would be a risk too big to take imo unless we are being taking to the cleaners in the air.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 433 - 08/08/2018 11:09:49 2130767 Link 1 |
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Don't think it's prudent to wait until after we have been taken to the cleaners to make a change. Glynn has taken all other full backs to cleaners in the air so waiting until he has done so to ours who is not noted for his aerial ability anyway is unwise in my view. Don't forget this is about preventing them getting a big lead not limiting them after they have done so.
welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 08/08/2018 11:33:39 2130782 Link 0 |
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Couldn't see him switching around the defence and I wouldn't like to see it happening either. The Limerick defence has held its shape throughout the championship, you never see Byrnes venture across to the left or Morrissey across to the right. They will start as they have been starting throughout the championship. Glynn has been playing well but isn't a scoring machine, he's as likely to get a goal as a point. He is dangerous though in terms of passing it off to his corner forwards. Our full back line will just have to be on top of their game
pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 431 - 08/08/2018 11:46:16 2130790 Link 1 |
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I also worry about Glynn at Full Forward. I disagree that English should be moved to FB though simply because he is taller. He isn't stronger than Casey and that is glynns main threat imo. That's why Byrne's isn't suitable either imo. Glynn is big and strong but quite limited hurling wise. All we can do is bottle him up and Mark the runners off him imo. Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 08/08/2018 11:56:58 2130798 Link 1 |
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If you had gone to a few league games you wouldn't be surprised to see no Na Piarsaigh player start against Tipp. As for Byrnes on Glynn it's certainly brave but it could be a master stroke much like O Shea on Donaghy was for Mayo against Kerry. Doubt many think it should be Casey marking him so why not Byrnes or Morrissey?
Green2debone (Limerick) - Posts: 18 - 08/08/2018 12:05:28 2130799 Link 0 |
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What i am saying is they will put trust in the system that got them to final and won't make any drastic changes and the expectation is that no one will be taken to the cleaners and will at the very least give as good at they get. If you flip it what would you do if Glynn catches a clean ball over Casey in the first 5 mins would you change things then or would you give him a few more chances? Would you change our team around to cope with one player before they take the field in a team thats littered with stars? That has not been the Limerick way to date, they have put trust in their own system, what was it John Kiely called it the 80\20 or 70/30 system where by the majority of your focus in on your team. If you fall short after the battle then so be it, you have given it your all. Clare probably left a chance at an all ireland behind them by focusing too much on the opposition. There is no easy answers to this as we simply don't have a tall full back but as a back three unit ours is still one of the best and meanest.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 433 - 08/08/2018 12:29:22 2130804 Link 2 |
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I would leave the full back line alone , bring Kyle Hayes back to centre half back let him sit in front of Glynn this means they have to hit perfect ball to Glynn and Casey is still there covering , Kyle has played more in that role than in the forwards. And Hannon moves centre forward he has played half forward enough before he certainly knows where the posts are. jimbob50 (Limerick) - Posts: 100 - 08/08/2018 12:48:46 2130810 Link 0 |
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Went to league games against Tipperary, Clare and Galway this year. Still thought we'd want to play a few na piarsaigh players from the off once the championship started. To be honest I didn't think Flanagan was going to be a main stay starter. Like I said already delighted with Kiely's management of the na piarsaigh players. He got it 100% right.
Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 367 - 08/08/2018 12:50:03 2130811 Link 0 |
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You ask if I would give Casey a second chance the answer is no I wouldn't start him at all on Glynn. Most of the other posters on here are advocating some change our other be it be a switch with English or getting Hannon to drop deep or even more ludicrous switching Hannon and Hayes. Whether we want to except it or not marking Glynn is an issue for us. I totally disagree with your point on Clare. I think that changing their team the first day to counter his threat almost got them into an all Ireland final. They were I think 9 points down before they did that. Indeed if Clare had started Galvin as a sweeper the first day they would probably be our opponents and not Galway. Time we learned from the mistakes of others in my view. Think the O Shea Donaghy comparison is a good one.
welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 08/08/2018 13:18:27 2130820 Link 0 |
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Don't think their should be any positional changes for the final but it crucial that everyone knows their role when Galway have possession. It will take 20 players to win this All Ireland and it important the bench is utilised at the right time. We have a better 20 players than Galway but maybe not a better 15. Our half forward line and midfield will need to run them selves into the ground dropping deep allowing more space for our full forward line. The Galway full back line looked very vulnerable in the second half against Clare so with the likes of Dowling, Ryan & Casey coming this is were the winning of the match will be. The key will be to be in touch coming down the home straight. Hannon will need to drop deep to allow some cover for Casey with our half forward dropping deep to crowd the middle third. Glynn is a big thread but is still a limited hurler so we should not be making wholesale positional changes to counteract one player. journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 08/08/2018 14:38:43 2130848 Link 0 |
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Fair enough but you have said what you wouldn't do i.e. not play Casey on Glynn and i can see why you would say that, it' s easy to point that out as anyone can see there is a potential mismatch physically and most peopel on here are worried about that, what would you do to solve it since all the other suggestions are deemed ludicrous. I am genuinely curious as to what what you might suggest.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 433 - 08/08/2018 14:48:38 2130858 Link 0 |
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I would be slow to make any change to the starting 15 but I do think Richie McCarthy is 100% tailor made for Johnny Glynn. He would suit Richie McCarthy and it would be a battle Richie would like. I often heard how the Limerick management in 07 regretted starting hickey in 07 over been an inexperienced 19 year old at the time but felt couldn't drop him for Razor at corner back as hickey was so good in the semi final on john Mullane. Its a tough decision for Kiely to make but I would feel that leaving the starting 15 as it is and bringing on our strong bench is the way to go for this final. I think our bench is far superior to Galways. brud (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 08/08/2018 20:39:14 2130997 Link 0 |