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Replying To arock:  "It is nothing to do with money what the Dublin County board chooses to waste its own money on is Dublin's business and no one else's. Cuala are All Ireland club champions its Minor and U21's compete at the highest levels it is down to coaching end off."
the likes of Westmeath get €40,000 per year for hurling development.
Dunlin get a special grant of €1,000,000. for the last 15 years!

I'd expect Dublin to be much more competitive

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1903 - 09/07/2017 12:43:24    2012897

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Replying To valley84:  "the likes of Westmeath get €40,000 per year for hurling development.
Dunlin get a special grant of €1,000,000. for the last 15 years!

I'd expect Dublin to be much more competitive"
I am not going to do the maths for you this has been explained many many times on here, clearly you either haven't read any of the threads or do what most from outside Dublin do just don't/won't/can't believe the reality. The money I am refering to is Dublins own money that is Dublins money i.e. AIG and huge corporate sponsorships. The "development" funds are NOT for county teams they are to ensure there are enough kids coming into the games.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 09/07/2017 16:14:10    2013082

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the gaa pet project has failed,it has turned out to be a complete waste of money and resources,money and resources which if spent in carlow,westmeath,laois and offaly would have paid off in spades.
dublin hurling is an abject failure,and for the county board to fix matches for the same time as the county team were playing,says all you need to know what they think,i.e. send on the doh lads we will spend it on the football.
for me,not one red cent more should the get.they have wasted enough already on it,and what have they to show for it,1 leinster title?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 09/07/2017 16:49:16    2013116

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Replying To festinog:  "Lads ye can blame the manager, the venue, the alignment of the planets and anything else ye can think of, but the fact that there were senior club games scheduled to conflict with this game says everything you need to know about the attitude of the DCB regarding the senior hurling team. The manager has to convince players to turn their back on their clubs in order to play for the county. Set up to fail. Bloody disgraceful."
I think people are reading too much into the fact that there were fixtures scheduled for club hurling in Dublin this weekend. The fact of the matter is that these fixtures have been in place for months. the Dublin ccc is tasked with setting out fixtures for 9 hurling and 12 football leagues, and the associated cup and championship competitions at the start of the year, and when they clash as they did this weekend with county matches the clubs have the option of refixing them on any date within 6 days of the original fixture.
For those thinking that this is an insult to hurling in Dublin, it's exactly the same situation for football, with a full list of fixtures listed for next weekend with the Leinster final, but with the number of teams and fixtures involved the DCB have to make fixtures on every available weekend during the year in both codes, and when a clash arises as it did on Saturday the clubs have to work around them as opposed to leaving free dates whenever a possible clash might occur.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 09/07/2017 21:50:56    2013432

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Replying To AHP:  "I think people are reading too much into the fact that there were fixtures scheduled for club hurling in Dublin this weekend. The fact of the matter is that these fixtures have been in place for months. the Dublin ccc is tasked with setting out fixtures for 9 hurling and 12 football leagues, and the associated cup and championship competitions at the start of the year, and when they clash as they did this weekend with county matches the clubs have the option of refixing them on any date within 6 days of the original fixture.
For those thinking that this is an insult to hurling in Dublin, it's exactly the same situation for football, with a full list of fixtures listed for next weekend with the Leinster final, but with the number of teams and fixtures involved the DCB have to make fixtures on every available weekend during the year in both codes, and when a clash arises as it did on Saturday the clubs have to work around them as opposed to leaving free dates whenever a possible clash might occur."
Your fooling yourself. They could easily forsee that the county team might be in action on the first 2 weekends in july and make sure games are scheduled for midweek friday or sunday. And it absolutely would not happen in football

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 09/07/2017 22:00:27    2013443

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "Your fooling yourself. They could easily forsee that the county team might be in action on the first 2 weekends in july and make sure games are scheduled for midweek friday or sunday. And it absolutely would not happen in football"
It still doesn't make sense to leave blank weekends in the fixture list on the chance that Dublin 'might' be playing on some of those dates. If that were the case then club hurlers could be left with 4 or 5 week gaps between games at the best time of the year for playing.
As I'm sure you know one of the main reasons that games are already spread over Sat/Sun am and pm and in the case of football over Tue/Wed/Thursday evenings is the availability of referees, as there simply aren't enough to cover all the games at the same time. I'm sure that exactly the same situation exists with hurling refs, so the DCB don't really have the option of putting all the games on the same day, especially when you consider the amount of underage games that take place at weekend that also need pitches and refs.
As for it not happening with the footballers, it does. Football fixtures are listed for next weekend, same as usual, and for every second weekend after that too apart from the August break, no matter what clashes arise.
As I said already, the onus on the DCB is to fix club games in Dublin, after that if clashes occur the clubs have, as always, the freedom to move games (within the 6 day limit), to suit the clubs.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 10/07/2017 00:06:04    2013578

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Replying To Rockies:  "What has happened to Dublin hurling?
They contested an epic All Ireland semi final with Cork in 2013, but were annihilated by Tipperary today.
Definitely, a massive decline in standards."
Back to topic. Unfortunately a lot is down to Ger and I hope for him he resigns rather than gets pushed.

It is funny because he is well liked as a person and coach but since he took over a manager we have lost players, and what people forget, good backroom staff. Most good Dublin hurlers are good footballers as well so they walk away to try the big ball.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 10/07/2017 09:44:55    2013712

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Replying To AHP:  "It still doesn't make sense to leave blank weekends in the fixture list on the chance that Dublin 'might' be playing on some of those dates. If that were the case then club hurlers could be left with 4 or 5 week gaps between games at the best time of the year for playing.
As I'm sure you know one of the main reasons that games are already spread over Sat/Sun am and pm and in the case of football over Tue/Wed/Thursday evenings is the availability of referees, as there simply aren't enough to cover all the games at the same time. I'm sure that exactly the same situation exists with hurling refs, so the DCB don't really have the option of putting all the games on the same day, especially when you consider the amount of underage games that take place at weekend that also need pitches and refs.
As for it not happening with the footballers, it does. Football fixtures are listed for next weekend, same as usual, and for every second weekend after that too apart from the August break, no matter what clashes arise.
As I said already, the onus on the DCB is to fix club games in Dublin, after that if clashes occur the clubs have, as always, the freedom to move games (within the 6 day limit), to suit the clubs."
But that's my point AHP it wouldn't be blank weekends it would be Friday evening or Sunday fixtures instead of Saturday. It's easily planned out with a bit of foresight. And if we reached the Leinster final fixtures are played Friday or Saturday

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 10/07/2017 10:24:12    2013781

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Replying To perfect10:  "the gaa pet project has failed,it has turned out to be a complete waste of money and resources,money and resources which if spent in carlow,westmeath,laois and offaly would have paid off in spades.
dublin hurling is an abject failure,and for the county board to fix matches for the same time as the county team were playing,says all you need to know what they think,i.e. send on the doh lads we will spend it on the football.
for me,not one red cent more should the get.they have wasted enough already on it,and what have they to show for it,1 leinster title?"
Dublin hurling is an "abject failure"???

In the last 9 years of the league (selected due to restructuring of league in 2009), Dublin were in the top division in all but one of those years.

They have won the national hurling league in that time, beating the All-Ireland Champions elect in the final.

They won a Leinster senior hurling title, beating Wexford, Kilkenny and Galway to do so.

They have a better head-to-head record with all Leinster teams bar Kilkenny and Galway (same head-to-head as Galway) in that time.

They have won 3 Leinster minor and 3 Leinster u21 championships in that time.

While Dublin are a bit of a shambles at the minute, overall, they have been decent enough over that last 10 years. Calling Dublin hurling is an "abject failure" is sensationalist nonsense.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 10/07/2017 11:51:51    2013874

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Dublin hurling's only problem is similar to Tipp's football problem. Their best players would rather sit on the bench for the footballers and who can blame them, that's their choice.
O'Callaghan, Shutte, Costello are class hurlers, along with Kilkenny, Mccaffery and Connolly who would walk onto almost any intercounty team in Ireland as would the likes of Sutcliffe and Kelly - I'm sure there are plenty more.
Ciaran Kilkenny and Cormac Costello were two of the top 5/6 minor hurlers I've seen in the last 10 years. Pure class.
It's very difficult for any county to counteract this.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/07/2017 13:02:29    2013959

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Replying To preddan:  "Cant be blaming the manager for everything....the players obviously not as good as they thought they were, no real natural hurlers and as for the players not making themselves available...no excuse its county hurling, should be proud to represent their county at the highest level, regardless of manager"
A large number of the players from the aforementioned semi final in 2013 walked because they won't hurl for him. So we did have players good enough but now no longer do because of the management. He should have stood down last year when it was clear he was not the man for the job.

As for your comments about the fact they should be proud to represent their county. If the county board can't be bothered to do what's right for the team and the state of the game within the county (including refusing to rearrange league fixtures that clashed with the game) why should the players? Give up their lives because 'its county hurling'? I can guarantee you if Dublin football was in the situation that hurling has been in for the last few years you can be sure the county board would have done something about it before now.

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 10/07/2017 16:06:46    2014224

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "To people from iutside dublin looking in wondering whats going on bht have no insight whatsoever in to Dubli hurling heres a few pointers.

1) look no further than the county board fixing a full round of league fixtures, hurling, to clash with the county hurling team fixture. Says it all.

2) There are around 6 hhrling only clubs in Dublin. 2 would have affiliations with the neighbouring football clubs as in player crossover. And 2 are soley made up of country men. So unlike codk galway clare etc we dont have regions which allows for constant playingwe share most hurlers with football.

3) a follow on from the above our most gifted hurlers are usually top footballers who all seem to choose football come senior.

4) Development squads failing in my view. On 2 issues. The one raised above picking dual. Ask 15/16 year olds straight out what the preference is and go with those who want to hurl. Secondly stop producing the same type of player over and over. Let kids loose who might be a bit sloeer over 100 meter sprints but can do something a bit different with a hurl.

5) No county would sustain the player loss that Dublin have and be competitive. Through injury walking away or being dropped the following 15 could have been but were not involved yesterday. Alan nolan Niall Corcoran Peter kelly. Paul Schutte Shane Durkin Joey Boland Mickey Carton. Alan mccrabbe johnny mcaffrey. Conal Keaney Colm Cronin Danny Sutcliffe Paul Ryan Con OCallaghan mark Schutte. Some side there.

6) lastly this thing about money. Its seems to be the be all and end all for country people towards Dublin along with population. Its one thing building hurling walls or having endless supplies of hurls and sliothars and getting people coached up. The majority of coaches in Dublin are parents with no hurling background coaching the sons team after a few coaching ckurses. Throwing out drills they learned in class. Doesnt work tbat way. We dont have people rared on hurling passing the gjft down. We dont have houses full of 4 year olds who live with the hurl in the hand. Ye cant buy that with the money.

We will get there though have no fear of that"
Jesus. Point number 5. It's scary to see the talent we've lost under Cunningham. All but Con (who was never really an option) walked or were needlessly dropped.

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 10/07/2017 16:12:05    2014233

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Replying To arock:  "I am not going to do the maths for you this has been explained many many times on here, clearly you either haven't read any of the threads or do what most from outside Dublin do just don't/won't/can't believe the reality. The money I am refering to is Dublins own money that is Dublins money i.e. AIG and huge corporate sponsorships. The "development" funds are NOT for county teams they are to ensure there are enough kids coming into the games."
In a nutshell! Very well said.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 10/07/2017 16:19:35    2014245

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