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Dublin v Kildare

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Replying To Pharmstrong:  "Well with 2 soft games before meeting the all Ireland champs. It's not the greatest prep"
You got a better test of Meath then Dublin did against Westmeath all the same, it must be terrible to be so pessimistic about your own county are you even going to go to the Leinster final, a bit of believe goes a long way Dublin often have games won in Leinster before they even enter the pitch which is a pity.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 715 - 27/06/2017 22:49:26    2006594

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This will show what a county with a smaller budget, making the most of their resources can do against a professional team with unlimited budget and who plays every game of any importance at home.

It will probably show up the farce that is the championship.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1172 - 28/06/2017 14:02:15    2006851

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I do think it will be interesting. Yes I know you have to take Westmeaths level of performance into account but Dublin were simply awesome at times on Sunday. IMO people haven't given them enough credit for this due to other talking points. Kildare fully deserved their win over us and I was was really impressed with their physicality and mobility, they really destroyed us and I applaud them for it. Dublin won't have it all their own way in the Leinster final but should have enough to pull clear in the end, as I said some their football on Sunday was simply breathtaking. It's worth noting Kildare 'only' drew the second half v Meath, whereas Dublin kept the foot on the pedal.

royalfan4life (Meath) - Posts: 76 - 28/06/2017 14:12:36    2006862

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Should be a good game but Dublin by 7 imo

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1226 - 28/06/2017 14:35:44    2006894

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Replying To Fionn:  "Trashing Kildare maybe, but your Meath team - I reckon for another 5 years at least...

Our U21 team would beat your senior team ffs... so less of your nonsense please....

Ye are a shambles..."
Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 715 - 28/06/2017 14:36:11    2006895

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People talking about Kildare being big and fit as if Dublin aren't, or as if they haven't played a team like us before…

Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts:39 - 28/06/2017

How much money would it have taken for Meath to come up with a strategy around their own kickouts? Like in Navan at the start of the league, O'Rourke was left with little option in Tullamore but to kick it long into a part of the field that Kildare were dominating in.

Would extra funding from Croke Park have opened McEntee's eyes to the roasting his fullback line was getting, or the disappearing act his 2 wing backs did? Not one of them subbed for some reason.

Dublin might have received an disproportionate level of funding over the last few years but if Meath received a couple of million since 2000 would it have helped forwards other than O'Sullivan actually try run with the ball and attack the Kildare defence?

Maybe they could have used extra funding to pay towards a warm weather training camp - the warm up mightn't have been so taxing on them then :)

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 28/06/2017 15:21:29    2006933

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I think Kildare have a lot to do to even start to close the gab on Dublin yet.. We have effectively bet no team of significance yet this year, after what was probably the worst div 2 standard certainly Kildare ever played in and then Laois, who seem to have given up the ghost, and Meath who seem to think changing manager every so often should be enough to improve their quality of player because that "investing in underage" theory is just a nuisance.. But we accounted for what was is front of us for the most part but it is no prep for Dublin unfortunately.. Kildare will most likely need to improve 10-20% on previous and catch Dubs off kilter.. Kildare will be a serious force in 2/3 yrs time with luck, good enough to knock Dubs off perch? Time will tell but Dublin will need to keep their current incred high standard up (not easy) or we will be ready to strike with the first whiff of a weakening Dublin side..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 168 - 28/06/2017 16:25:46    2006979

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "People talking about Kildare being big and fit as if Dublin aren't, or as if they haven't played a team like us before…

Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts:39 - 28/06/2017

How much money would it have taken for Meath to come up with a strategy around their own kickouts? Like in Navan at the start of the league, O'Rourke was left with little option in Tullamore but to kick it long into a part of the field that Kildare were dominating in.

Would extra funding from Croke Park have opened McEntee's eyes to the roasting his fullback line was getting, or the disappearing act his 2 wing backs did? Not one of them subbed for some reason.

Dublin might have received an disproportionate level of funding over the last few years but if Meath received a couple of million since 2000 would it have helped forwards other than O'Sullivan actually try run with the ball and attack the Kildare defence?

Maybe they could have used extra funding to pay towards a warm weather training camp - the warm up mightn't have been so taxing on them then :)"
Fantastic post!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 28/06/2017 16:50:19    2006996

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I do think it will be interesting. Yes I know you have to take Westmeaths level of performance into account but Dublin were simply awesome at times on Sunday. IMO people haven't given them enough credit for this due to other talking points. Kildare fully deserved their win over us and I was was really impressed with their physicality and mobility, they really destroyed us and I applaud them for it. Dublin won't have it all their own way in the Leinster final but should have enough to pull clear in the end, as I said some their football on Sunday was simply breathtaking. It's worth noting Kildare 'only' drew the second half v Meath, whereas Dublin kept the foot on the pedal.

royalfan4life (Meath) - Posts: 76 - 28/06/2017 18:32:29    2007052

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I do think it will be interesting. Yes I know you have to take Westmeaths level of performance into account but Dublin were simply awesome at times on Sunday. IMO people haven't given them enough credit for this due to other talking points. Kildare fully deserved their win over us and I was was really impressed with their physicality and mobility, they really destroyed us and I applaud them for it. Dublin won't have it all their own way in the Leinster final but should have enough to pull clear in the end, as I said some their football on Sunday was simply breathtaking. It's worth noting Kildare 'only' drew the second half v Meath, whereas Dublin kept the foot on the pedal.

royalfan4life (Meath) - Posts: 76 - 28/06/2017 18:32:32    2007053

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "People talking about Kildare being big and fit as if Dublin aren't, or as if they haven't played a team like us before…

Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts:39 - 28/06/2017

How much money would it have taken for Meath to come up with a strategy around their own kickouts? Like in Navan at the start of the league, O'Rourke was left with little option in Tullamore but to kick it long into a part of the field that Kildare were dominating in.

Would extra funding from Croke Park have opened McEntee's eyes to the roasting his fullback line was getting, or the disappearing act his 2 wing backs did? Not one of them subbed for some reason.

Dublin might have received an disproportionate level of funding over the last few years but if Meath received a couple of million since 2000 would it have helped forwards other than O'Sullivan actually try run with the ball and attack the Kildare defence?

Maybe they could have used extra funding to pay towards a warm weather training camp - the warm up mightn't have been so taxing on them then :)"
Congratulations if in doubt Kildare bet meath now if you have more opinions on that game maybe you should post them up on the tread titled meath v Kildare, this one is about Dublin v Kildare now maybe you didn't read the earlier posts I'm not going to recap for ye, but the Leinster council giving one particular county the majority of its funds has created the mess that the Leinster championship has been lately. Most dubs I talk to agree with me on that one, now if in doubt maybe it's time you and your fellow posters should direct your anger towards Dublin your opponents in the Leinster final, and stop having a pop at the one Meath man that gives Kildare a chance. On a side note I put a tenner on Kildare at 9-1 its worth a shot

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 715 - 28/06/2017 21:49:01    2007140

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Other counties can compete with Dublin, i.e. Kerry, Mayo & Tyrone. No reason why Leinster
counties cannot compete with Dublin, especially big, rich counties like Kildare & Meath.
Dublin generate huge revenue for the GAA. so it is understandable that some of that would
be invested in promoting the games in the capital. With reference to the Dublin V. Kildare
game, it would be very encouaging for Kildare should they be competitive against Dublin the
next day as their team is very young.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 28/06/2017 22:50:27    2007170

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A few months ago Dermot earley , Bernard Flynn and others were on the radio saying that while Dublin was pumping its money into its development programmes , other Leinster counties were spending there money on the big named manager , while neglecting the development of the juveniles

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/06/2017 22:51:40    2007171

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,"
You wouldn't consider us being a better team with better footballers at all then?
Mick Lyons & Co must be cringing with all your whinging these days, I remember that Meath team well and there wasn't one biatch on that side, dirty shower but the type that could back it up.
There is an exception in Bernard Flynn, but he was such a good player he's easy to tolerate, even O'Rourke doesn't dwell on the resources thing and gives Dublin their fair dues.
Do wise up, get your s*** together and do the Royal proud. At least Kildare seem to be getting on with it.
This argument is as old as the hills now but the best football team will win gold in September whether it be us, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone or whoever!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8753 - 28/06/2017 23:07:57    2007176

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "
Replying To if_in_doubt:  "People talking about Kildare being big and fit as if Dublin aren't, or as if they haven't played a team like us before…

Your under 21 team prob has a bigger budget then meaths senior team ffs, which is the real reason for dublins superiority over Leinster counties over the last decade, but at long last the Leinster council have decided not to give all their funds to Dublin, other county's are finally getting some badly needed money which should begin to close the gap, that and of course dublins ageing senior team,

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts:39 - 28/06/2017

How much money would it have taken for Meath to come up with a strategy around their own kickouts? Like in Navan at the start of the league, O'Rourke was left with little option in Tullamore but to kick it long into a part of the field that Kildare were dominating in.

Would extra funding from Croke Park have opened McEntee's eyes to the roasting his fullback line was getting, or the disappearing act his 2 wing backs did? Not one of them subbed for some reason.

Dublin might have received an disproportionate level of funding over the last few years but if Meath received a couple of million since 2000 would it have helped forwards other than O'Sullivan actually try run with the ball and attack the Kildare defence?

Maybe they could have used extra funding to pay towards a warm weather training camp - the warm up mightn't have been so taxing on them then :)"
Congratulations if in doubt Kildare bet meath now if you have more opinions on that game maybe you should post them up on the tread titled meath v Kildare, this one is about Dublin v Kildare now maybe you didn't read the earlier posts I'm not going to recap for ye, but the Leinster council giving one particular county the majority of its funds has created the mess that the Leinster championship has been lately. Most dubs I talk to agree with me on that one, now if in doubt maybe it's time you and your fellow posters should direct your anger towards Dublin your opponents in the Leinster final, and stop having a pop at the one Meath man that gives Kildare a chance. On a side note I put a tenner on Kildare at 9-1 its worth a shot"
Indeed it is, I put a score on Down @ 4/1 before the Monaghan game :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8753 - 28/06/2017 23:30:18    2007186

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Replying To Daith:  "This will show what a county with a smaller budget, making the most of their resources can do against a professional team with unlimited budget and who plays every game of any importance at home.

It will probably show up the farce that is the championship."
Unlimited budget? Good to know! Maybe We can afford to buy some of those funny goggles your boys are wearing!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 29/06/2017 10:24:01    2007305

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Replying To hipster:  "A few months ago Dermot earley , Bernard Flynn and others were on the radio saying that while Dublin was pumping its money into its development programmes , other Leinster counties were spending there money on the big named manager , while neglecting the development of the juveniles"
You can hardly put Kildare in that bracket given they've won 3 of the last 4 Leinster minors?

JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 29/06/2017 11:28:23    2007358

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ah come on now wayno in 2013 the game was level going into injury time and a couple of mistakes by a tired Kerry team which in fairness to ye ye took full advantage of and got a couple of goals one which was an attempt at a point but dropped in over keally.

2015 ye won 12 points to 9 and ye scored 4/5 points from play.
But fitzmaurice got his team badly wrong that day and only for killian young dropping a slippery ball in the last few mins we could easily have had a draw.

2016 we were were ahead all the way to the end and only for a couple of dodgy decisions by the reff we would have more than likely won.

The thing is this is the best Dub team ever according to ye dub fans but our Kerry team that's been in deep transition for years now can always put it up to ye.

And if Kildare can match ye'r Dubs athletically they can beat ye imo."
Sign of the times when Kerrymen take comfort from pushing the Dubs close but ultimately losing .Remember the days when anything less than banking an AI was considered a poor year in the kingdom.

A bit of straw clutching analysing on those recurring defeats
2013 - Game is over at the final whistle. It is a common and very significant factor that Dublin finish stronger.
2015 "ye won 12 points to 9 and ye scored 4/5 points from play.". Atrocious conditions but this is the one game where Dublin totally bossed it. Conditions limited scoring but anyone who analysed that game pointed out that Dublin were by far the better team on that day.
2016 "we were were ahead all the way to the end and only for a couple of dodgy decisions by the ref we would have more than likely won." Ah come on, take yer defeats on the chin. You lost fair and square.

Losing once is unfortunate, losing 4 times is carelessness.

You could be right about Kildare, They could match Dublin better physically than Kerry have managed. Then it comes down to other factors. Who have the better GK and back 6? Who have the more proven scorers ? Who has the better bench?
A good Kildare side developing but still a bit to go to be on par with Dublin.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 29/06/2017 14:25:32    2007475

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Think your reading to much into dublins wins over two division 4 sides the easiest route any team had on a way to a provisional final, Dublin are on the way down why do you think jim gavin came out with that nonsense about the media and Connolly he knows he has to do something different to retain Sam siege mentality, in comparison Kildare are certainly a team on the up there young fit and strong and won't be afraid of Dublin, I expect the game to be close Dublin might just shade it this time, but the days of Dublin trashing teams like Kildare and Meath might be a thing of the past"
Class. I love the way Meath are now in same bracket as Kildare :)

"but the days of Dublin thrashing teams like Kildare and Meath might be a thing of the past"....Possibly but to find out if this is true for Meath, ye will have to stop getting thrashed by the Lilies first so you can test the Dubs.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 29/06/2017 14:31:18    2007481

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A bit to go indeed poguemahone. I don't think anyone in Kildare thinks we will actually win. What will be interesting is finding out how far we still have to go. My heart says not far, my head says we've come a long way (we are clearer a much better team this year, that's not even debatable for me) but still a long way off the Dubs!

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 29/06/2017 20:19:42    2007678

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