richiej
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Look jonsmith I asked a few questions about his contribution to the team both as a selector and joint manager.. I also stated if he wasn't happy with what was going on behind the scenes why didn't he do what Liam harnan in Meath did or ciaran Carey in Limerick, I don't see where that's being disrespectful. Or do we in Cavan not like a few home truths??? I'd also question the county board too if you want to know.. The same CB who recommended a joint managers 18 mths ago. Then recommended Andrews as manager 8 months ago and have now recommended Hyland as manager.. That's 3 different set ups the sane CB have recommended to the clubs in 18 months.. Maybe it's time the clubs recommended a different personel to be on the CB?? As I said Cavan football is riddled with politics a typical example was their objection to Johnstone transfer . They don't want him bit they also don't want to look stupid by someone else having him especially with his ability to perform. But they can conveniently forget the Rory Gallagher case when it suits them

1: Nobody ever said Hyland was unhappy with the setup. He may have been unhappy with some of Val's decisions, probably the dropping of McCutcheon seeing as he brought him back, but if he was to walk away when things aren't done exactly as he wants then he wouldn't be much of a team player would he? If things are bad in a setup do you try your hardest to contribute and make things better or do you walk away? You seem to be, like your hero Johnston, fond of the second option.

2. The Cavan County Board objected because they had concerns that Johnston wasn't living in Kildare. Legitimate concerns as he wasn't, at the time the CCB objected, resident in Kildare. They are entitled and obliged to object when someone is breaking the rules of the association, regardless of what happened with Gallagher. Two wrongs don't make a right.

3. In Terry Hyland we have a man who has managed the majority of the panel all of whom have the height of respect for him. He has brought success to these lads and they trust in his ability. There is no better Cavan man for the job at the minute. You should really show him some support and focus on what he has to offer instead of questioning his motives and actions.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 03/05/2012 17:42:56    1165621

Mikepattonisgod........ Don't read my posts and I won't read your 4 post either... Deal??

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 03/05/2012 17:43:50    1165624

Richiej:
Jonsmith and Mikepatton are spot on. You are the typical barstool moaner Richie. Everybody else is wrong except yourself. Well tell us all how many teams have you played with , managed, what your record is e.g how many leagues and Championships did you win? We all would really love to know! Come on tell us about your achievements. Maybe you are the man Cavan football should have had running our teams over the last 15 years.
Did I miss something or did Cavan win 10 or 11 Ulster titles in the last 20 - 30 years? Believe it or not we won 2 u21 Ulster titles in the last 2 years plus a minor. Jasus I wonder who was the manager of this brilliant u21 achievement. I wonder do you know his name? Anyway who do you think we should be running cap in hand to save Cavan football? Any names?
There are things I dont like about Cavan football but we have a duty to try and work and support the people who are doing their best to improve the game. What we have achieved at u21 and minor in the last 2 years is fantastic and lets hope it can be carried into the Senior set-up over the next 5 years. Get behind the young players and management and a little less of the negativity!!!!

BreffniDub (None) - Posts: 377 - 03/05/2012 18:49:51    1165655

1: Nobody ever said Hyland was unhappy with the setup. He may have been unhappy with some of Val's decisions, probably the dropping of McCutcheon seeing as he brought him back, but if he was to walk away when things aren't done exactly as he wants then he wouldn't be much of a team player would he? If things are bad in a setup do you try your hardest to contribute and make things better or do you walk away? You seem to be, like your hero Johnston, fond of the second option.


JonSmith , 03/05/2012 at 17:42

John McCutcheon was not dropped from the team lets gets this right from the off. HE WAS NOT DROPPED so please don't point a finger at Val Andrews with this one.
It is well documented I have the greatest of respect for Val Andrews and I will defend him to the hilt.
Some of the players that were dropped by Mr Hyland were not going to be part of the championship team and I would say 4 of them knew it so it came as no shock to them when they were told they were not wanted.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 03/05/2012 19:39:49    1165682

a lot of off-topic bickering on here. does every thread have to end up with the same usual suspects having the same recurring argument?

how about this - you post a team which you think gives us our best chance against donegal, then you can argue all you want. (even if you think "best chance" means coming within 6/7 points of them)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5331 - 04/05/2012 10:15:15    1165822

Apologies to you good Cavan people. I didn't come here to upset anyone and I wish you well against Donegal. If you find a way of holding on to SJ it would be appreciated by at least some Kildare folk. Now I'm going home.

lilyban15 (Kildare) - Posts: 66 - 04/05/2012 10:27:14    1165837

Cavanman47
how about this - post a team which you think gives us our best chance against Donegal

I'd be interested in having a stab at this, and I have done below, but there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what players are currently in the mix. With players dropped, asked back, injured etc it's very difficult to know who to chose from. Is Rory Dunne back playing yet? Did John McCutcheon go back to training? are Jack Brady, Josh Hayes on the panel? Assuming yes to all of the above, here's my preferred team.

1 K Fannin
2 O Minagh
3 Rory Dunne
4 K Clarke
5 J Hayes
6 J McCutcheon
7 M McKeever
8 G McKiernan
9 P Leddy
10 D Givney
11J Brady
12 N Smith
13 B Fitzpatrick
14 N McDermot
15 C McClarey

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 04/05/2012 10:56:26    1165857

Cavanman47

Do you think these players are ready for the first round of Ulster. I see you have dropped our captain.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 04/05/2012 11:07:06    1165860

James reilly
J McLoughlin
Oisin Moynagh/Dermot sheridan
KillIan Clarke
Barry watters
mckeever
Padraig reilly
G McKiernan
Givney
???
Keating
Fergal Flanagan
Jack/Dunne
Mcdermot
tierney

Not sure if the full back line or the forwards are experienced/cute enough yet, but thats wat i tink

sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 279 - 04/05/2012 11:17:09    1165867

If management a new batch of u21s into their first championship game this year isnt that going to be the exact same mistake that was made against Donegal last year when there was 7/8 new faces?? We can't keep chopping and changing.. Surely the majority of the players that played in the league have to be persevered with if they were deemed good enough for the league. Really apart from Tierney there is no u21 good enough to step up this year. That's the mistake we made last year.

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 04/05/2012 11:26:39    1165872

wats your winning team richie?

sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 279 - 04/05/2012 11:29:48    1165876

Well said breffnidub, Richie is a constant moaner on here, nevers misses a chance to stick the boot in hyland. Richie, terry h is ThE only man that would take this job at this min (4 weeks before a champ game). Get behind the man, the players he manages obviously do as his record for club and county speaks volumes. Your defence of sj in all of this is shameful, let him go WHERE EVER he wants, he turned his back on club and county. He was hardly setting the world alight anyway in the past few seasons and as someone on here said I think he will be out of his dept in Kildare team. Get behind the lads that are there and stop talking about quitters. Cavan Abu, good days lie ahead".....".

finea3 (Longford) - Posts: 63 - 04/05/2012 11:36:19    1165881

Sean, I think that's my selection you're referring to. I was responding to cavanman47's appeal for engagement with the actual topic instead of the bickering over UCD's Player of the Year.

I take your point about the inexperience at county level, but a few of them have relevant experience at a high level in college football, and off course U21. I honestly don't think they'd beat Donegal this year, but they strike me as players for the future that should be blooded now. The captain's omission was intentional, purely on football grounds, but only in my humble opinion.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 04/05/2012 11:38:08    1165882

Lilyban15 seriously that is not fair SJ should be accepted in Kildare just look at the effort he is putting in. Cavan have changed management and he still stayed loyal to the transfer. We should welcome him openly and wish him the best in the white jersey. Fingers crossed this saga is over soon.

Lovelylillies (Kildare) - Posts: 230 - 04/05/2012 12:02:10    1165899

Sean, I think that's my selection you're referring to. I was responding to cavanman47's appeal for engagement with the actual topic instead of the bickering over UCD's Player of the Year.

I take your point about the inexperience at county level, but a few of them have relevant experience at a high level in college football, and off course U21. I honestly don't think they'd beat Donegal this year, but they strike me as players for the future that should be blooded now. The captain's omission was intentional, purely on football grounds, but only in my humble opinion.
ondforty , 04/05/2012 at 11:38

I understand but what chance will an 18 1/2 year old have at senior level .
Also there is no comparison between college football and intercounty football.

I have a gut feeling certain people cannot see beyond the U21 players and the current players that are left on the panel. We need to look at this player issue in a wider scale that has to include all the clubs in the county. It's a shame players are being over looked just because they have not either played at minor or U21 level we have to look at the full set up sooner rather than later.

I hope that when the campaign is over that potential players that have not played at these levels get a chance to wear the blue and white,
Maybe take up the challenge later on when they are out of the campaign to have as many challenge matches with probables and possibles now thats one I would like to be involved in.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 04/05/2012 12:06:15    1165902

Not a bad team ondforty , would agree with most but

1 K Fannin
2 O. Minagh
3 Dunne King??
4 K Clarke/Reilly?? think clarke v.good player but not ready for this yet
5 J Hayes
6 J McCutcheon
7 M McKeever
8 G McKiernan
9 P Leddy
10 D Givney
11 N McDermot
12 J Brady
13 B Fitzpatrick
14 Keating
15 C McClarey

This team well motivated which Hyland is good at, could just surprise Donegal

cavanabu10 (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 04/05/2012 15:54:03    1166087

sean o rinn,

i think u may be looking at someone elses team there. i posted my team on page 1. but yes, i dropped podge.

would like to know what ger pearson is at, is he available, cuz looks like johnson is gone

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5331 - 04/05/2012 16:39:30    1166118

SeanORinn:
(I have a gut feeling certain people cannot see beyond the U21 players and the current players that are left on the panel. We need to look at this player issue in a wider scale that has to include all the clubs in the county. It's a shame players are being over looked just because they have not either played at minor or U21 level we have to look at the full set up sooner rather than later.)

Sean I have a certain amount of sympathy for your above point of view. That is why I think we should go with a mixture. Its well known that lads dont reach their peak until 25/26/27. Yes every decent player should be looked at and I'm sure thats what Terry and his selectors will do. Is it not in a managers interest to get the best 15 players on the field?? The problem is that some of the older players may have developed bad habits over the years and may indeed be not the best of influence to younger lads. Still I believe in wiping the slate clean and giving everybody a fair chance.

I posted my team at the start to stimulate discussion and I am glad so many have nailed their colours to the mast but it is amazing the few "Bar stool moaners" have not come up with a single selection. I could name them but I wont give them the satisfaction. It is indeed very revealing. Cant come up with a team or maybe dont know a team!!!!

Still most people are positive and are willing to look at everybodys point of view. I hope the players (who are all very savy nowadays with IT, Facebook, Forums etc) will be heartened and know that 99% of the supporters are behind them and the management. Nothing is impossible in 2 weeks. I coached and played with teams all my life and I never went into a championship game expecting to lose. With a rich history why should we fear anyone??

Looking back on my original team I would certainly look at lads like John Mc Cutcheon, Ronan Flanagan, Bud Fitzpatrick, Niall Mc Dermott, Raymond Galligan and even Cian Mackey but I suppose it is hard to fit everybody in. With my team we will not be too far away.

BreffniDub (None) - Posts: 377 - 04/05/2012 20:31:06    1166231

Breffnidub.... I've a certain amount of sympathy for the team you posted on page1.. That's why I couldn't be a@@@@@@d answering your lack of knowledge posts!!!

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 04/05/2012 21:14:18    1166258

1 K Fannin
2 J Hayes
3 Cathal Collins
4 K Clarke
5 P.Reilly
6 M McKeever
7 McCutcheon
8 G McKiernan
9 P Leddy
10 D Givney
11 J Brady
12 N McDermot
13 B Fitzpatrick
14 P. King
15 C McClarey

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 05/05/2012 09:33:50    1166303