Con, I'm actually a Cavan man living in Clare. Hence my interest. Certainly wasn't 'sledging.' Just drawing attention to what the bookies think of us. 3 Ulster finals 95-2001. Div 1 final 2002. 3 underage titles in last 2 years. 39 Senior Ulster titles..Not a stitch of hurling, rugby or soccer. no other county is such a dichotomy.

badabing (Clare) - Posts: 28 - 12/06/2012 14:55:39    1192724

Jays us donegal were there for the taking again today yet Derry with star forward and all star paddy Bradley could only muster a handful if points from play. That's twice donegal should have been bet, what ye reckon sean and richie. Fire that Derry manager immediately?

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 16/06/2012 19:03:21    1195636

Fredflint, are u mad in the head??? Donegal took their foot off the gas against Cavan in the 2nd half and there was no way that Derry was gonna beat Donegal yesterday. I was at the match yesterday and in Breffni and even though Derry were brutal yesterday, I doubt if Cavan would beat them because that game yesterday will stand to Derry. Why do you think they were there for the taking?????

92dl (Cavan) - Posts: 52 - 17/06/2012 10:42:47    1195847

Turn on your sarcasm detector!

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 17/06/2012 11:24:27    1195883

There is 2 rugby clubs in our little county and many soccer teams all competing for players

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 17/06/2012 12:11:36    1195916

Ochonlir- that's not s valid argument as there are few counties as dedicated to gaa games than cavan. Look at the amount of rugby and soccer in Kerry, cork, dublin. If you prefer have a look at smaller counties such as sligo. We are way more dedicated to gaa than most so that is a poor excuse.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 17/06/2012 12:22:05    1195929

I say that the standard of Club football is so low at present that we should take a chance and select five Regional/Divisional teams.
Let the senior Clubs have a small representaion on these teams, and the remainder made up of Good honest junior players.
I say five teams and you Could have the County champions on a stand also basis.
Too many junior clubs have ruined Cavan football, these junior clubs are a place where good footballers dont show.
I would like educated views/suggestions on the make up of the five regional/divisional teams.
And please( ) dont you come up with your usual smart/ silly contribution.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 17/06/2012 13:01:28    1195960

its amazing how its the Junior clubs that have ruined Cavan football. I'm guessing that Tom is from a Senior Club !! My own club was Junior a number of years ago. Its the same players, but they got lucky in a number of occassions and gained promotion. My point is, there are individually brilliant players playing for Junior Clubs, just as skilled, just as fast, just as strong, just as determined as their so called Senior Superiors, but just because they ream as a whole isnt good enough to gain promotion doesnt mean these players should be over looked. One prime example is young Givney from Mountnugent. There have been lots of All Ireland medals winners down the years who were from Junior clubs.
At u14 level last year trials were held for regional squads. The regional teams were picked after about 5 training sessions and played off in a series of blitz games enabling Cavan Dev Squad selectors to watch them in action. A similar system might work, but God help us all as some of the Junior lads might turn up Tom !! But sure you could always blame them if your region looses !!!!

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 18/06/2012 08:40:23    1196535

Not an excuse but a clarification to your assertion that there is not a stitch of Hurling rugby or soccer

Despite the dramatic rise of both soccer and rugby particularly the former, we have started to do well at underage. So for whatever reason our winning mentality evaporated over the last 30 years, it now appears to be on the way back if you look at some of the notable wins in the last 6 or seven years. This year St Pats and Virginia College win at Ulster level, Virginia won two senior Vocational schools ( Tyrone and Kerry top these grades) 3 Ulster u21 finals 2 wins Ulster minor champions

We need to build On these and get our confidence back and not as fredflint does whinge and throw up spurious arguments

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 18/06/2012 09:18:11    1196555

18/06/2012 09:18:11
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1196555
Not an excuse but a clarification to your assertion that there is not a stitch of Hurling rugby or soccer

Despite the dramatic rise of both soccer and rugby particularly the former, we have started to do well at underage. So for whatever

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Sorry, I cant let this go unchecked. Have you any proper evidence to back this up?

Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 18/06/2012 11:04:31    1196655

Are you living in cloud cuckoo land the evidence is on from of your nose. There is an underage soccer club in Cavan, Bailieborough, Kingscourt, Virginia and Ballyjesduff. When the GAA u 14 league is on many teams are without key players who are selected for the Cavan or Meath Kennedy Cup teams, Cavan have won trophies at the Kennedy cup. in Jan Feb and March each year there is clashes with Rugby/ soccer and Gaa training at underage level

So check all you like but soccer has made inroads in our county and from Zero to five or six clubs with wide catchment areas and the many levels and teams now in the Rugby clubs, where kids are paying €100 per year membership is dramatic in my book.

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 18/06/2012 12:24:00    1196760

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I thought you were privy to figures or stat's that the rest of us didnt have accesss to. Turns out, you made it up in your head

Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 18/06/2012 12:54:59    1196802

That's correct the aforementioned soccer teams don't exist, Cavan don't play in the Kennedy cup Virginia rugby team does not have 8 teams with players from Ramor Maghera Killenkere Denn crosserlough bboro kingscourt so you're right

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 18/06/2012 13:10:07    1196825

have to agree with ochonlir here. alot of the kids would rather play soccer especially as the fixtures committee seem to have half a brain so the kids know when and where they are playing.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 18/06/2012 13:58:42    1196901

There is underage soccer in a lot of areas of Cavan now, even in rural areas like Lavey and Ballyhaise where there is underage soccer teams. Cavan do have a team in the kennedy cup, Cavan/Monaghan mostly made up of Cavan players. Ryan Reilly from Crosserlough played underage with ballyjamesduff, he is on the books of Stoke now.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2894 - 18/06/2012 14:29:23    1196931

ochonlir
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1196555 Not an excuse but a clarification to your assertion that there is not a stitch of Hurling rugby or soccer

Despite the dramatic rise of both soccer and rugby particularly the former, we have started to do well at underage. So for whatever reason our winning mentality evaporated over the last 30 years, it now appears to be on the way back if you look at some of the notable wins in the last 6 or seven years. This year St Pats and Virginia College win at Ulster level, Virginia won two senior Vocational schools ( Tyrone and Kerry top these grades) 3 Ulster u21 finals 2 wins Ulster minor champions

Any chance that the dramatic rise of both soccer and rugby have being the reason we're starting to do well at underage level?Maybe these sports are giving our young lads a belief in themselves which they're now transfering to the GAA pitch. After all 3 of the main players at U21 level this year namely Tierney,Conroy and Moynagh all played in the aforementioned Kennedy Cup. This years St Pats team had young McCabe from Ballinagh on it who has since being called up to the Irish u15 soccer squad also Brady from Ballyhaise who played Kennedy cup last year.Maybe its soccer and rugby that have given back the winning mentality to these youngsters?

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 257 - 18/06/2012 18:05:02    1197239

Possibly
Or it may be that this competition for players has pushed us out of our comfort zone
In any case kids will do what they enjoy so we shoul be confident of our sport and embrace the challenge

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 18/06/2012 18:47:01    1197281

Its a long time ago since there was no soccer in Cavan? I remember there used to be 3 soccer teams in Cavan Town alone, There was a team in Belturbet too. You are trying to tell us that soccer went from zero to 5 or whatever recently, Well that is just garbage as there was always a small soccer presence in Cavan and there is still is. However, relative to other counties it is very small and most others would see Cavans GAA dominance as a big advantage to us.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 18/06/2012 18:47:51    1197282

You are arguing for the sake of it now the fact is that NOW there is competition for players, soccer was secondary and players would regularly drop soccer when the gaelic season switched on. That is not the case now, and even if there was 100 teams in Cavan town, it does not alter the fact that there are serious soccer clubs with their own grounds and proper facilities and structures in the towns mentioned. The kids dont run back to the gaa they stay and some of the coaches encourage them not to play our sport. They are the facts so not using it as an excuse just a fact of life unlike you using it as an excuse for some sort of argument that only you would understand!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 18/06/2012 20:21:10    1197373

fredflint
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1197282 Its a long time ago since there was no soccer in Cavan? I remember there used to be 3 soccer teams in Cavan Town alone, There was a team in Belturbet too. You are trying to tell us that soccer went from zero to 5 or whatever recently, Well that is just garbage as there was always a small soccer presence in Cavan and there is still is. However, relative to other counties it is very small and most others would see Cavans GAA dominance as a big advantage to us.
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And there were clubs in Crover, Ballyjamesduff, Cootehill and Kinsgcourt. We've still only two rugby clubs in Cavan and not people know that outside rugby circles in Ulster.

Whilst there may be more youth playing than say 15 years ago we're hardly any worse/better off than any other small county - we are certainly not known as a rugby or soccer county. This 'dramatic rise' of Ochonlir's is hyperbole nonsense and fits his usual agenda.

Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 18/06/2012 22:01:42    1197501