cavanabu10

Out of interest could you tell us what team you believe should have played against Donegal and what tactics should have been used?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2012 16:26:39    1180925

And also could you please explain why you believe Donegal were "there for the taking"?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2012 17:31:58    1180963

Donegal were there for the taking last Sunday. Its interesting that 3 of Cavans best performer , Keating, McKeever, and Corr when he came on were not part of Hylands u21 brigade. Maybe we are discarding lads that are 26/27 too soon?
Hyland has to take the blinkers off as regard the u21s he managed,
Why did Martin Dunne not make the panel? Didnt he score 1-5 for the gaels against Redhills so he must have been fit.
There is no way Any management should get 5 years. 2 at max then reviewed.
Everybody convienently forgets the mess thar was made of the 2010 ulster u21 final.
What about the hammering against Galway where we were tactically completely out of our dept.
We must have tried every u21 at senior level,,, we even trying last years minors now
we need a blend of youth and experience. Hyland has to get the mix right. U21S ALONE will win NOTHING AT SENIOR LEVEL.
Hyland is not the man to lead us forward at senior level. His contribution at senior level proves that this past 7 years

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/05/2012 18:13:55    1180978

What a man lol.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 886 - 26/05/2012 19:26:16    1181013

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Donegal were there for the taking last Sunday. Its interesting that 3 of Cavans best performer , Keating, McKeever, and Corr when he came on were not part of Hylands u21 brigade. Maybe we are discarding lads that are 26/27 too soon?
Hyland has to take the blinkers off as regard the u21s he managed,
Why did Martin Dunne not make the panel? Didnt he score 1-5 for the gaels against Redhills so he must have been fit.
There is no way Any management should get 5 years. 2 at max then reviewed.
Everybody convienently forgets the mess thar was made of the 2010 ulster u21 final.
What about the hammering against Galway where we were tactically completely out of our dept.
We must have tried every u21 at senior level,,, we even trying last years minors now
we need a blend of youth and experience. Hyland has to get the mix right. U21S ALONE will win NOTHING AT SENIOR LEVEL.
Hyland is not the man to lead us forward at senior level. His contribution at senior level proves that this past 7 years

In what way were Donegal there for the taking?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2012 21:01:42    1181049

For starters if fergal flanagans role was defined more clearly because he looked like a player( no fault to him) that didn't exactly know what he was suppose to be doing. I ask any pro Hyland supporter to define fergals role . once someone comes on here and says exactly what his role was then and only then can we have any idea about the managements thinking or ability .Because after watching re run after re run I can't work his role out. Any takers??

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/05/2012 21:41:45    1181066

Donegal were there for the taking.
No 1 Mc Gee at full back was not fit and that was clearly borne out by the roasting he got
No 2 Gallagher and Kavanagh at midfield are weak------Look at Cavan midfielders display with Givney superb and Gallagher taken off
No 3 The average age of Donegal is old
No 4 Add in Murphy's absence now you have it why they were there taking

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 26/05/2012 21:47:24    1181068

Richie, can you (or Cavanabu10) please explain how Donegal were there for the taking? I'm genuinely interested to hear the theories on this.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2012 21:51:29    1181073

Tomsmith,kavanagh scored 0-3 from midfield. Donegal were never going to allow the game descend into a midfield fielding competition, very few teams in the modern game will. Again, you are being naive but at the day donegal are years ahead of us in physical preparation and the modern game is all about being strong enough to break tackles. We are not there yet but we will get there i am certain.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/05/2012 10:05:45    1181099

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1181068 Donegal were there for the taking.
No 1 Mc Gee at full back was not fit and that was clearly borne out by the roasting he got
No 2 Gallagher and Kavanagh at midfield are weak------Look at Cavan midfielders display with Givney superb and Gallagher taken off
No 3 The average age of Donegal is old
No 4 Add in Murphy's absence now you have it why they were there taking

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Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 27/05/2012 11:48:30    1181171

Manmagement were too slow to make changes. Fergal Flanagan should have been taken off after 15 minutes because he had no role on the field and was getting in the way. 3 of Donegals first 4 points came fromn his mistake.
Infact Fergal Flanagan hadnt played Senior since this time last year so really should never have started.

Kevin Meehan should have been switched with Maloney-Derham after 15 mins also.AnYbody who has watched Meehan with the Gaels will know his main strength is attacking at pace. Last Sunday he crossed the halfway line just once in the first half.

We stopped shooting longrange after a few bad misses, this was where we got at donegal with our first 3 scores.
Corner forwards drifted out too much as we panicked thus leaving Keating fighting a loosing battle alone when he clearly had the beating of McGee all day.

Usual story where the management were too slow to make switches after 20 minutes.
Too many positional switches at the start that confused ourselves instead of confusing Donegal.

In short.... the management are trying to make a game that can be played simple and direct ,difficult with stupid mind games, crazy across the field passing,no intellegence when it comes to off the shoulder running or close up passing at speed, very little winning of 50-50 ball, and crazy shooting at a fixed target when within 30 metres of goal.

When we practice and perfect those basics we might be going somewhere. the only problem is they wont be perfected in the gym.............they need practice and plenty of it because they are just repetitive mistakes that have been happening all through the league.

NOW IM STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO DEFINE FERGAL FLANAGANS ROLE LAST SUNDAY TO RESTORE SOME KIND OF FAITH IN THIS MANAGEMENT

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 27/05/2012 11:50:57    1181172

You are some man to demand an answer for your question when you intentionally avoid any hard questions put to you when you're fill this forum full of rubbish. Sure you weren't even at this game.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/05/2012 13:13:52    1181214

Richie can you explain why you think Donegal were there for the taking?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 27/05/2012 13:37:57    1181221

richiej , 27/05/2012 at 11:50

I notice once again richiejk you show how bias you are for you it would seem were happy with your club members performances. Would you say they performed well enough to be left on the park.
I have to say I felt sorry for Geroid McKiernan for sadly it was obvious he was struggling from very early on and was dead on his feet. I am sure if the management decide to watch the full match they will realise their error but sure it's a learning curve now they are a new management set up. When I saw Mark McKeever and Bud Fits being replaced I was to say the least very surprised but people see things differently thats all I can say.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/05/2012 13:43:28    1181224

Sean o Rinn ... Meehan was poor in the position Hyland had him in. Maloney Derham is nit a half forward. Niall smith should have started. As should Martin Dunne. I'm not biased one bit. And as I've been saying for months Sean Reilly should be on that panel

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 27/05/2012 14:17:32    1181240

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1181240 Sean o Rinn ... Meehan was poor in the position Hyland had him in. Maloney Derham is nit a half forward. Niall smith should have started. As should Martin Dunne. I'm not biased one bit. And as I've been saying for months Sean Reilly should be on that panel
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Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 27/05/2012 14:42:10    1181247

Con Cavan.. The two players who are in midfield are more interested in getting on the scoresheet that doing what midfielders are suppose to do.. It's no wonder we leaked goals all during the league when we open up from midfield ..givney and mckiernan need to play their positions...like McCabe did... Like king did... And Sean Reilly is every bit as good if not better that either of them. But it seems if you didn't go through the Terry Hyland underage school you have no chance... Keating. Mckeever and Corr when he came on were the 3 best on view last Sunday... None of them are from the Hyland underage school...

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 27/05/2012 14:50:43    1181249

Sean o Rinn ... Meehan was poor in the position Hyland had him in. Maloney Derham is nit a half forward. Niall smith should have started. As should Martin Dunne. I'm not biased one bit. And as I've been saying for months Sean Reilly should be on that panel
richiej , 27/05/2012 at 14:17


For a person thats not bias you are doing a good PR job for Cavan Gaels players, While we are at it then should Conor McCleary have started as well. Whats is strange here is that you say young Dunne played for Cavan Gales last week well will you ask him then why he could not train with the Cavan team. He did remember walk from the U21 team last year I hope he is not thinking of doing the same again with the seniors.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/05/2012 16:46:46    1181329

Richie you are saying all these Gaels lad should be starting yet only last week you reckoned they should all quit the panel. What garbage you are posting .

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/05/2012 17:12:46    1181341

After saying Donegal were there for the taking: i see a lot of "Meehan should have done this, Flanagan should have done that, Maloney can do this etc" but that still says nothing for Donegal being vulnerable or in any way under threat! Actually if youve watched it as many times as you claim you should see Donegal looked very comfortable all the way through, 2nd gear some might say! And at no stage did it look like they were on the verge of slipping up! Now Richie this will be the 6th (sixth) post ive directed to you personally across hoganstand and youve never responded to me once, i might start taking this personally

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 27/05/2012 17:22:42    1181345