Mr Goldrick what I was referring too was that interview that Terry give to Fitz in the local Cavan paper where he stated that he had one eye on the league . I remember going down Breffni lane that day to the turnstiles and wordering was it a waste of money, my views for Sunday week are mixed.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 12/05/2012 20:20:32    1170867

Stay at home then Tom

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 12/05/2012 21:29:53    1170924

Stay at home then Tom
JamsieMac , 12/05/2012 at 21:29


tomsmith had every right to have mixed feelings some interviews come across as either very hipper or very negative the interview in question in my opinion was very negative and I expect many felt as Tom did.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 13/05/2012 09:35:16    1170968

if you are walking into to breffni sean thinking "this is probably a waste of money" then you should also stay at home and save it

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 13/05/2012 15:51:41    1171132

if you are walking into to breffni sean thinking "this is probably a waste of money" then you should also stay at home and save it
JamsieMac , 13/05/2012 at 15:51

read my post

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 13/05/2012 17:00:44    1171173

Jamsiemac,
My fears were well founded and as I left Breffni Lane on Sunday, where do we go from here.
Divisional teams are the way forward, the poor standard of Club football in the County has contributed to a low County standard.

Seanorinn

I feel SEan you that has in the past has had a line into managers ears that perhaps you could ask them to read my offerings on Divisional teams ect.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 22/05/2012 10:57:24    1177847

Both of you read my post, it said nothing about mixed feelings!

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 22/05/2012 16:16:48    1178192

I feel Jamsie Mac that you are incorrect once more insofar as you refer to mixed feelings.
Sean o Rinn was making reference to me going down Breffni Lane.
Perhaps you will be a big boy and do the proper thing/gesture towards Mr O Rinn

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 23/05/2012 12:04:34    1178695

tomsmith
County: Cavan
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1178695
I feel Jamsie Mac that you are incorrect once more insofar as you refer to mixed feelings.
Sean o Rinn was making reference to me going down Breffni Lane.
Perhaps you will be a big boy and do the proper thing/gesture towards Mr O Rinn

I think Tom it was in your defence nothing else for I too heard the interview.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 23/05/2012 12:23:33    1178715

I'm not sure what you are even on about! Win lose draw or get hammered I'd still love to be able to go to watch Cavan play! That was my one and only point, no mention of an interview or mixed feelings! Be a big boy and actually read my words

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 23/05/2012 18:10:50    1179086

So true Fredflint and Slippery fish. Agree completely, Donegal could have scored more if they needed to.
Bananas , 23/05/2012 at 17:58


Thats the beauty of having an opinion. mine is they were there for the taking this will not change two or three different changes would have turned that game around. I know they are young and learning but the sideline is mature if you get my drift. We lost by 6 points with 13 men yes 13 for two were not involved for near on 30 minuets if not more. Keith Fannon would have done a good job in the half forward line thats one change that could have been made. I am sure Cullivan McCleary McKiernan could have made huge changes in the half forward and the full forward line and off course midfield we will never know of course for they were not tried. If those on the sideline expected to be beat well why not try these players going forward and Sunday was one of those day's. Remember McCleary last year warmed up for over 50 minuets in Croke Park for the U21s came on banged the ball in the net and was unlucky a few seconds later so why not try these players and give them a chance.
I still say with so many Donegal players unavailable this was our opportunity to take them, I will not change my mind on this.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 23/05/2012 19:20:05    1179136

Sean you are so humble that it begs belief how you would not seek an apology from Jamsie Mac.
Then an involuntary offering made when requested/under duress is often taken by the recipent as false.

Sean back to the Cavan game, I fully agree with you Donegal were there for the taking, with Murphy and Mc Gee the all star at fullback getting a roasting if the rest of the Cavan players shook a leg at all we could have taken them.
Midfield played well, with Givney in my opinion doing very well against Kavanagh and Gallagher who was taken off

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 23/05/2012 21:39:58    1179231

having spent the week listening to the great debate of where to now and the slide to the bottom etc i think we are a county divided:

on one side we have the Hyland camp who firmly believe that 'their' man is some sort of saviour who will do just that save Cavan football from itself, his elevation to this position based on cavan under 21s having won Ulster twice, (they conveniently forget the 2010 ulster under21 that he threw away). They swallow without question his revelations to the media that " we are building" "we are not physical enough"(who selected this non physical side?) " we have to bring 'the young lads' on", and of course the inherent belief that no way could we beat donegal, no doubt these aces will be drawn out again when the management puts in yet another poor performance

on the other side of the county divide are those who see clearly that the best players dont get to play for cavan as in the team that played donegal,(surprise is that we dont see more walk away like johnson) who see clearly that there is no difference between val and terry, val solo, terry solo, these 3 interchangeable versions of the same approach to managing cavan players all complete with excuses, and thats what they are excuses, are serving us poorly. many on this side of the camp believe the arrogance of the county board to foist this management on cavan for 5 years is in fact an arrogance too farand will be the straw that will break the patience of the cavan clubs with the present county board- terry hyland has let it slip to the media that the idea of 5 years was to give stability to players ,panel and county etc--------!

cavanabu10 (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 26/05/2012 09:31:06    1180724

Cavan No 10
if fully aagree with you that we have been dealt a poor hand by CCB in the recent appointments.
I have to ask who appointed some or all of the past managers.
Look at Val he was with us before and left, he was with us in 2011 and he left was 8 weeks before the championship.
But we are where we are now and we have to move onwards.
My opening suggestions were as follows.
Divisional Teams
Coaching for uderage.
Selectors.

I will now elaborate on each, and the reason for same.
Divisional teams ------------To let players play at a high level in domestic competition, trial games are ok but players from the one region can made trialists look very good
Uderage Coaching-----------A new stategy to be introduced in Cavan to take into account the modern game.
Selectors ------------That the Cavan selectors be made up of the last four managers in the Cavan Senior Championship in the previous year.
The reason being that these four managers who come from different parts /levels of football would have see most players play

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4070 - 26/05/2012 10:34:37    1180747

That the Cavan selectors be made up of the last four managers in the Cavan Senior Championship in the previous year.
The reason being that these four managers who come from different parts /levels of football would have see most players play
tomsmith , 26/05/2012 at 10:34

You might recall Tom I suggested that we use the two county senior finalist managers plus the managers from the winners in the intermediate and junior championship winners I was laughed at I hope they don't do the same with you but the last two Cavan Gaels manager I don't think we would want them as managers of our county team.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/05/2012 11:35:30    1180781

terry hyland has let it slip to the media that the idea of 5 years was to give stability to players ,panel and county etc--------! I meant to add here, is this what hyland would like us all to believe /that he is what will bring us stability or is he just making sure of the job for 5 years putting himself in control and beyond question because to question the current management is to question the proposed stability of cavan football. if the nonchalence of the display by the management's approach to the donegal game is this ' stability' we ae promised, then we are even deeper in trouble than we were in the dying days of the val solo phase. i agree with seanorinn, donegal were there for the taking, the view of hyland that he had to play his 'young lads, physically inferior and indeed skillfully and experentially inferior tho they were to what he had available, was our downfall and unless that changes and given the arrogant school of managment promoted by the county board i doubt it will change , wel bottom line we are in for 4 more frustrating years, none of this is the fault of the players.

cavanabu10 (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 26/05/2012 12:25:04    1180797

cavanabu20. The way you are writing you'd think Hyland was getting paid for being manager. Secondly, he has had one competitive game as the No1 in charge which most sensible people would say the players at least worked harder than in any game under Andrews. Yet, people like you are on here attacking the man. Its is the likes of you and richie and your ilk that are the problem with Cavan football. You think we have some god given right to be at the top table. We are lucky not to be in Div 4 next season, we've bet no one of note for years even with the great Sean Johnston. Yet a man comes along and delivers 3 ulster final appearances in 3 years, winning 2 and getting to an All Ireland final and you attack him. Its only amazing people so lacking in vision and an ability to see the bigger picture have the ability to turn on a computer. Give the man a chance for christ sake, he is Cavan man to the core and deserves a decent shot at it. What do you think you are achieving with your super negative rants on here?????

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 26/05/2012 12:52:27    1180814

fredflint
County: Cavan
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1180814 The way you are writing you'd think Hyland was getting paid for being manager
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And you think he's NOT getting paid..one way or the other??

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1737 - 26/05/2012 13:57:15    1180852

cavanabu20. The way you are writing you'd think Hyland was getting paid for being manager. Secondly, he has had one competitive game as the No1 in charge which most sensible people would say the players at least worked harder than in any game under Andrews. Yet, people like you are on here attacking the man. Its is the likes of you and richie and your ilk that are the problem with Cavan football. You think we have some god given right to be at the top table. We are lucky not to be in Div 4 next season, we've bet no one of note for years even with the great Sean Johnston. Yet a man comes along and delivers 3 ulster final appearances in 3 years, winning 2 and getting to an All Ireland final and you attack him. Its only amazing people so lacking in vision and an ability to see the bigger picture have the ability to turn on a computer. Give the man a chance for christ sake, he is Cavan man to the core and deserves a decent shot at it. What do you think you are achieving with your super negative rants on here?????
fredflint , 26/05/2012 at 12:52

What chance should he get he has been involved with the seniors over 7 years give us a break cavanabu20 is spot on. Off course we know he is not getting paid managers don't get money -------.

theforgottenman (Cavan) - Posts: 234 - 26/05/2012 14:25:34    1180861

Fredflint
Like I said Fred there are 2 camps those who believe passionately on the present management, and those who see it as a major mistake. I started off in the give them a chanceivddle ground but I was sorely disappointed in the management at the Donegal game , not in the players, and then taking to people duri ng the week I found a lot of people shared that disappointment , and some believe Hyland's line to the media about only having yh 6 weeks , not being physical enough, needing time to build etc etc, I don't buy that line for md it is just a list of excuses, hyland is around these players all of them long enough to know them, this is not a rant , these two opposing views are very evident throughout Cavan , caught on the middle are our players. So to an extent we agree it is clear which camp you are in. I am not ready yet to swallow every word from Hyland, I hope he turns it around but I saw nothing in his performance leading up to the Donegal game in how he went about selecting the team (some of the selections/ ommissions were really very suspect ) nothing in his tactical reading/management of the team and substitutions during the game , or nothing in his post game analysis about future direction; in fact nothing in it inspired me to believe we are even on a learning curve let alone an upward curve. So I guess for now I am not in the pro Hyland camp.

cavanabu10 (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 26/05/2012 15:11:55    1180885