It is high time this discussion was put to bed. something went wrong somewhere communication wise for this player. His talent is beyond question. So is his commitment. As with all players this lad has a life outside of , beyond football. Would it ever occur to the people commenting on him some very harshly, that perhaps he may just have come through two very stressful years and as such may just have had other things on his mind than football.
cfsm2012 , 02/02/2012 at 20:37

If what I was told this evening is true I don't think football will be top of his itinerary for this year anyway.
I think its time to close the topic really and move on.
Next year is another year.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 02/02/2012 20:50:05    1104556

Hypothetically speaking, if a player was approached over a year ago to move camp from one county to another and wanted to go out on a point of principal, rather than just leave for " whatever " reasons, then he might embark on a policy of making himself difficult to manage, turning up for training but not fully contributing and basically doing his own thing, until the management finally loses their patience and gives him his point-of-principal opportunity with say a 10 sec telephone conversation. Would a player like that be worth holding on to, hypothetically speaking off course?

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 03/02/2012 11:02:52    1104733

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Hypothetically speaking, if a player was approached over a year ago to move camp from one county to another and wanted to go out on a point of principal, rather than just leave for " whatever " reasons, then he might embark on a policy of making himself difficult to manage, turning up for training but not fully contributing and basically doing his own thing, until the management finally loses their patience and gives him his point-of-principal opportunity with say a 10 sec telephone conversation. Would a player like that be worth holding on to, hypothetically speaking off course?

Good question and I don't have the answer.
#But another question is --- Would an argument like yours suit a manager and county board's position if dreamed up and put forward to muddy the waters ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/02/2012 11:58:05    1104760

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1104760 ondforty
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Hypothetically speaking, if a player was approached over a year ago to move camp from one county to another and wanted to go out on a point of principal, rather than just leave for " whatever " reasons, then he might embark on a policy of making himself difficult to manage, turning up for training but not fully contributing and basically doing his own thing, until the management finally loses their patience and gives him his point-of-principal opportunity with say a 10 sec telephone conversation. Would a player like that be worth holding on to, hypothetically speaking off course?

Good question and I don't have the answer.
#But another question is --- Would an argument like yours suit a manager and county board's position if dreamed up and put forward to muddy the waters ?

two good questions - i have an answer.
personally speaking, i couldn't care less..personally speaking off course

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1750 - 03/02/2012 13:52:03    1104859

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Hypothetically speaking, if a player was approached over a year ago to move camp from one county to another and wanted to go out on a point of principal, rather than just leave for " whatever " reasons, then he might embark on a policy of making himself difficult to manage, turning up for training but not fully contributing and basically doing his own thing, until the management finally loses their patience and gives him his point-of-principal opportunity with say a 10 sec telephone conversation. Would a player like that be worth holding on to, hypothetically speaking off course?


Seanie was told in October by Cavan he wasnt needed this year.

A friend of Seanies whos i family friend of McGeeney made McGeeney aware of this.

Thats how this started.

Now Cavan Gaels are not contesting any part of his transfer. They hope he will return some day again.

Its up to Kildare CB to make sure the paperwork is in order as they the ones looking for the transfer.

Seanie owes Cavan football nothing and the stick he is getting for just wanting to play football is uncalled for.

Seems when your dropped with Cavan you get a phone call and a letter thanking you for you services,

Thats a nice personal touch isnt it?

Gone are the" look me in the eye days and tell me whats what"

Best of look to Seanie ... form is temporary, class is permanent!

We will soon see if dropping 4 quality forwards and 3 backs was the right decision

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 03/02/2012 14:11:45    1104876

Good question and I don't have the answer.
#But another question is --- Would an argument like yours suit a manager and county board's position if dreamed up and put forward to muddy the waters ?

Fair comment Slasher. I would say that yes, my argument on this occasion would probably suit the manager and county board, but I represent neither. I just happen to be on the opposite side of the group who continuously call foul over the 10 sec issue and present a very narrow view. There is a wider play here. The Kildare manager came out of the traps very quickly to prepare the welcome reception.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 03/02/2012 14:13:36    1104880

would all the seanie haters grow up and leave the man alone.if you think that you are better go and tog out yourselfs.there is more to life than football and i love the game at all levels.so ending, sean johnston not all of us are haters so best to luck with what ever happens for you.

queball88 (Cavan) - Posts: 5 - 03/02/2012 14:36:50    1104915

Folks

On a point of geography, St Kevin's is not a Straffan Club. Indeed I don't thing they have amalgamated with Straffan at minor or under 21 level in the past but am not certain of this. Anyone local living in the Straffan area either plays for Straffan, Intermediate club, Celbridge, senior club, Clane, Senior club, Maynooth, senior club or Naas, senior club.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 03/02/2012 17:59:30    1105095

Queballs

I agree that people need to get off Seanie's back, it's a difficult time for him, I don't agree that posters who don't wish him to leave or disagree with his position hate him, a bit strong and ironically by saying that you are adding to his possible problems rather than helping.

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 04/02/2012 10:47:33    1105282

any word on the team for this wkend?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1750 - 04/02/2012 11:10:35    1105288

I would however question the Loyalty of Shev and Richj when it comes to their own county ant their disgraceful hounding of Val Andrews who is a decent guy!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 04/02/2012 11:13:25    1105290

what ye guys dont seem to realise is this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion,ritchie and shev are giving their own opinion be it right or wrong,

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 04/02/2012 15:57:31    1105423

i was informed that he was training with st kevins this morning. looks like a done deal

BootIt (Cavan) - Posts: 136 - 05/02/2012 12:39:02    1105660

See Seanie is inviting folk up to Kildare for a cup of tea. Bit far to travel just for a cup of tea.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3213 - 08/02/2012 21:01:13    1108168

this thread is getting very boring at this stage.granted mackey,lyng etc arent just the calibre of player of johnson but they didnt throw their toys out of the pram when they were 'let go' by the county management.he might win his medal (s) with kildare but it will never be the same as winning one with cavan should that ever happen-and besides if all he wants is a all-ireland medal his playing days could be long over by the time that is achieved with cavan so clearly its just the prowess of owning an all-ireland medal no matter what team hes with......get over it and move on people

clownonthetown (Cavan) - Posts: 41 - 09/02/2012 10:03:24    1108305

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I would however question the Loyalty of Shev and Richj when it comes to their own county ant their disgraceful hounding of Val Andrews who is a decent guy!


Andrews is indeed a decent guy.. no arguments on that front, he is intelligent, passionate, well spoken and likable, however, the jury is still out on his quality as a manager, last season he led Cavan to just 3 wins in 9 competitive starts, a combined pasting at home(22 points) in the 2 championship games, 7 goals conceeded in last two games, a 25 point combined loss in our last three competitive games, managers are measured on results not on personality.

And if we do decide to have a manger in place just for his personality I would like to suggest that we see if Brendan Grace is available.

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 09/02/2012 11:28:20    1108360

there seems to be a good bunch of committed players there this year so nobody id doubting their commitment. But management have to step up to the task and show that they can manage, can make positive switches, can close up the defence, can produce a game plan, can stick to a game plan.
Management spoke of 1-13 is good enough to win games. True it is , so is 0-8 goog enough when the opposition only get 0-7. Its as if they are trying to justify conceeding 4 goals.

Do we set up a blanket defence like Donegal?
Do we play a sweeper and a 2 man Full forward line?
Do we play speedy half forwards like Meehan and Smith to drop back and break at pace?
Or do we simpley try to outscore the opposition like we tried to do against Wexford?

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 09/02/2012 11:50:29    1108383

Next January if there is a totally new management team in place in Cavan (more than likely there will be judging by the first two league games), will Johnston be able to transfer back to Cavan + the Gaels if he so wishes, or has he closed the door on every playing for club and county forever???

rising1916 (Cavan) - Posts: 187 - 16/02/2012 16:38:49    1113002

I hear Seanie Johnston is a late call up for the M Donnelly Interprovincial team on Sunday

rising1916 (Cavan) - Posts: 187 - 17/02/2012 16:42:17    1113775

I know this transfer sage is going on and on but picking up the local newspaper this week was a bit much ok the lad is trying to play football for different county and what not. but i think the 2 page special was a bit much and bit personal to be honest. I don't really care what Sean J does. but the paper Wednesday evening was a bit to far...Seem to be more negative than anything.

cavanboy (Cavan) - Posts: 53 - 18/02/2012 11:49:56    1113990