whats the problem, let him go, why are we trying to stop him, when he cant make the team in july who will look stupid then, why on earth would we try to keep anyone who doesnt want to play for us....
alot of people around the county were happy to see gallagher wearing the blue of cavan, but alot of us were embarassed too, any victory for a county team with blow ins is a hollow victory IMO

milhouse (Cavan) - Posts: 469 - 01/02/2012 12:29:18    1103467

This is a classic case of ''We don't want him, but we don't want you to have him either'' ... Incredibly childish.. Let him go and play for Kildare. The only thing this whole saga will do is give Andrews an excuse for when he fails again.

Bananas (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 01/02/2012 14:24:20    1103572

Cavan County Board were 100% correct this week. In my opinion SJ is not entitled to transfer and the Cavan County Board should not be expected to sign a transfer form with false information on it.

G_P (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 01/02/2012 14:49:55    1103608

The problem here is that Seanie hasn't got all his ducks in a row.If you wanted something bad enough you would surely have all your t's crossed and i's dotted,and in this case it appears Seanie hasn't, and therefore the CB couldn't approve his transfer application.I'd imagine when this goes further,he will have the necessary documentations to show that he is resident in Kildare and therefore his transfer will more than likely go through.This whole episode has being handled very badly,mainly by the player himself and Kildare management, it all could have being worked out behind the scenes without the national media being involved on a near daily basis.Seanie isn't the first man to transfer counties nor will be the last, but he sure is the most publicised.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 257 - 01/02/2012 14:50:27    1103610

This whole episode is very sad and a symptom of what Cavan football has now become !!
Any manager worth his salt and any County Board doing the job they were elected for would sit down with Seanie in a neutral venue and thrash the whole matter out with straight talk. If Seanie was a bad influence in the dressingroom then that should all be part of the discussion as well as any personal reason Val had for ditching him. We need Seanie and he needs football.
Surely to God for the benefit of the county team we need our best players and people should be prepared to put a little effort into sorting out the matter to the benefit of all. Man up all concerned !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 01/02/2012 17:30:29    1103755

Agree 100% slasher. Cavan Gaels asked questions and got no answers. I don't believe Seanie is a bad influence in the dressing room. He wants to win yes. He wants to be playing with winners and players of the same standard as him. So when he asked questions. He got chopped. Just like the Louth players when they asked questions

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 01/02/2012 17:44:02    1103769

aceofspades: "This whole episode has being handled very badly,mainly by the player himself and Kildare management".

You surely don't think- to use a pun-that the Cavan management have come out lilywhite in this transfer saga. In my opinion irrespective of whether Val Andrews said that the door is not closed as some posters have claimed, he showed poor judgement and poor man management skills in relation to Seanie Johnston affair.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3070 - 01/02/2012 18:57:40    1103841

Well Cavan_Slasher this was my post
seanorinn
County: Cavan
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If he goes to the DRA he will probably get his transfer but it will mean moving and proving he has moved. Thats difficult to do when he working in Cavan.

Think he would be better concentrating on the Gaels this year just like Lyng. I think deep down he really dont want to leave the Gaels.

He has been badly advised somewhere along the line
sheva7 , 31/01/2012 at 10:52

Seanie Johnston--What is the problem?
Seanie really does seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place here. I honestly think that if his transfer doesn't go through he'll have to choose between giving up football altogether for a year or simply playing for the gaels. I find it a pity because it'll be the same old story of the best player in the county not playing for the county team, and that has happened quite a bit down the years.
GAA's loss may be golf's gain.
What is certain is that a quick outcome is needed to put this affair to bed once and for all.
drumavigo , 31/01/2012 at 10:28

Seanie Johnston--What is the problem?
Good call - this type of thing needs to be stopped. The rules are very clear on this issue.
fredflint , 31/01/2012 at 10:13

Seanie Johnston--What is the problem?
CB turn down Seanies transfer request.
sheva7 , 31/01/2012 at 09:48


Now that a line has been drawn don't you think now that its time for Seannie to ask for a meeting with the County Management and inform them he is willing to put in the same amount of effort as everyone else to get his place.
There is no doubting his football ability in fact he is at this moment in time probably one of the best forwards we have.
Humility dedication commitment team player all for one one for all I am sure the County management will once again state the door is not shut to anyone including Seannie.
My own views are he was badly advised and he should brush it under the carpet and make himself available to the county and once they know his willing once again to commit to the blue and white they will keep the door open.
I hope Cavan Gaels will start the ball rolling and take him back for starters.
Not one person in Cavan will even think about this episode in a few weeks time and will be more than happy to welcome him back to the fold.
Come on common sense needs to prevail here lets get the people that matter communicating with each other one on one.
Even with my degree in communications I know that people can be brought down from their high horse and get down to a respectable level to talk with each other. Its amazing what can be achieved go for it.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 01/02/2012 19:35:48    1103867

The Kildare poster does have a point . It has been poor man management on Cavan managements part

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 01/02/2012 20:05:14    1103899

The Kildare poster does have a point . It has been poor man management on Cavan managements part
sheva7 , 01/02/2012 at 20:05


how do you come to this conclusion ??

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 01/02/2012 20:27:00    1103916

lilywhite1
County: Kildare
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aceofspades: "This whole episode has being handled very badly,mainly by the player himself and Kildare management".

You surely don't think- to use a pun-that the Cavan management have come out lilywhite in this transfer saga. In my opinion irrespective of whether Val Andrews said that the door is not closed as some posters have claimed, he showed poor judgement and poor man management skills in relation to Seanie Johnston affair.


Sean O Rinn take the 2 most recent high profile cases of players being dropped.
Eoin Kelly and Kevin Cassidy.
Both players were told the reason why they were dropped.
Seanie wasnt told why.
Thats poor man management.
Maybe Val will tell all when he writes a book. Because he reads plenty it seems

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 01/02/2012 20:58:10    1103931

sheva7
County: Cavan
Posts: 456

1103899 The Kildare poster does have a point . It has been poor man management on Cavan managements part


Why? because they dropped a player? Is this not what all managers are entitled to do?

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 257 - 01/02/2012 21:02:19    1103934

I hear Rory Gallagher was wondering when did the Cavan Co Board start following rule 6.9 lol

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 02/02/2012 08:45:30    1104001

Sheva7 and RichieJ - one and the same person. I see this was already exposed on another forum recently and your comment above is exactly the same as one posted by RichieJ (ie the hillarious quip about Rory Gallagher) yesterday on that other forum. Have you any other alter-egos you would like to declare?

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 02/02/2012 10:05:55    1104035

redflint
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Sheva7 and RichieJ - one and the same person. I see this was already exposed on another forum recently and your comment above is exactly the same as one posted by RichieJ (ie the hillarious quip about Rory Gallagher) yesterday on that other forum. Have you any other alter-egos you would like to declare?

AM just me , dont need to be any1 else, and by the way i got the one liner from twitter this morning not that it matters. Seems if 2 ppl have the same type of veiws they the same person !!!
Maybe am bananas too!!

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 02/02/2012 10:15:24    1104043

You surely don't think- to use a pun-that the Cavan management have come out lilywhite in this transfer saga. In my opinion irrespective of whether Val Andrews said that the door is not closed as some posters have claimed, he showed poor judgement and poor man management skills in relation to Seanie Johnston affair.


Sean O Rinn take the 2 most recent high profile cases of players being dropped.
Eoin Kelly and Kevin Cassidy.
Both players were told the reason why they were dropped.
Seanie wasnt told why.
Thats poor man management.
Maybe Val will tell all when he writes a book. Because he reads plenty it seems
sheva7 , 01/02/2012 at 20:58

First the difference with Rory Gallagher and Seannie is that he worked in Cavan FACTS he lived in Cavan Facts.

One keeps pointing the finger at man management now Val Andrews called more than one person informing them he was not bringing them back now remember the whole senior county panel had been disbanded from as early as last August I thought it was late July but they said last August and I will accept that.

Now I ask the question why was there no uproar then or did all the disbanded players expect to walk back into the senior set up come January. It did not happen we all know that.
The players that are for now not part of the new set up there is not one word about them? Do you feel then that the management were right getting rid of them now I know this is open to opinion and I am sure we all have our views about this.

I am just going to put a small little thought in all your heads and I must add its only a thought, is it possible that the conversation never got a chance to take place because one or the other hung up and just did not want to listen is this possible that this could have happened just think about it.

Just think of the few that I will just name and ask you why you or anyone did not make an issue about them. I personally liked the players in question and I hope they work hard to get back to the county set up.
Dermot Sheridan an honest and dedicated individual.
Martin Cahill a work horse played his heart out every time he was asked
Cian Makey how many times did people walk out of Breffni park talking about how well he played or how well he scored.
M.Lyng not a word about him either and I know the effort all these players put in year on year.
There are others I know but did they not have a conversation with management on the phone and if the answer is yes they must have accepted their reasons as to why.
It would seem that this way of communicating applied to all and there is not one word about them why I ask do you think they were just there making up numbers.

I am sure and its now entirely up to the management if they wish to talk with the said party or move on without him/them, its the way it is and its there prerogative.
Time to close the door on this and move on.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 02/02/2012 10:27:15    1104056

SEAN O RINN Is Andrews addmitting he got it wrong last year when he has to drop 6 of last years panel??? Because he picked last years panel too.

4 of those lads , Smith, Mackey, Lyng, Johnston all played well in County championships getting to finals some winning, some losing. These lads have been replaced by lads who cant even get on their own club team.

Lyng was told he was too old. Do you think SEAN that at 27 a player is too old?

Why drop 4 high profile forwards when clearly our main problems have been in the defence?? Is it the old story of no matter what goes wrong blame the corner forward.?

If things go wrong in the national league and Andrews has to call dermot sheirdan, nesty, lyng , mackey back ,how will that make management look?? Will they admitt they got it wrong??

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 02/02/2012 10:59:06    1104080

Seanies problem is he probably doesn't help himself from a PR perspective. The interview in the independent makes him seem like he doesn't care about Cavan football. anyone who knows sean, and i'm sure there are people reading this board who do, know that this is simply not true. If Val and Terry hadn't dropped him then he'd be in there training with the rest of the cavan panel, training as hard as the rest of them. For god sake, he seems to wind some guys up on here that he gets vilified for not caring, for kissing his jersey after a point, for not singing the national anthem with gusto. He just annoys some guys no matter what. whatever, life is too short.

The way some people go on they seem to make out last year was all Seans fault! Longford were up by 14 points in the championship at one stage. NOT CORK, or KERRY, or DUBLIN, but LONGFORD. Lets blame the corner forward surrounded by 10 defenders for that one too.
Lets look at the Johnston was a negative influence argument. I actually believe he probably was. I believe he was pi**ed off like hell! And i believe seannie is not the type of character who can hide his displeasure.

What annoys me is that some people write here about how lads don't work hard etc etc so thats why they got the boot, As if Dermot Sheridan, Martin Cahill, Eoin McGuigan, Alan Clarke, Micheal Lyng & Sean Johnston didn't work hard, all gone since March of last year!!!! Most of you probably know one if not two of these guys.

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 02/02/2012 11:15:09    1104101

SEAN O RINN Is Andrews addmitting he got it wrong last year when he has to drop 6 of last years panel??? Because he picked last years panel too.

4 of those lads , Smith, Mackey, Lyng, Johnston all played well in County championships getting to finals some winning, some losing. These lads have been replaced by lads who cant even get on their own club team.

Lyng was told he was too old. Do you think SEAN that at 27 a player is too old?

Why drop 4 high profile forwards when clearly our main problems have been in the defence?? Is it the old story of no matter what goes wrong blame the corner forward.?

If things go wrong in the national league and Andrews has to call dermot sheirdan, nesty, lyng , mackey back ,how will that make management look?? Will they admitt they got it wrong??
sheva7 , 02/02/2012 at 10:59

I have not seen the starting 15 for Sunday but I am sure you will see a very different defence thats for sure. Val Andrews and Terry Hyland inherited 90% of the players they had at their disposal last year and now in his wisdom he decided to do what he has done. I stand by him 100% Why you ask well he is now the stand alone manager and all the fingers will point in one direction should things go wrong and I personally feel that things are good and it will reflect on our results this national league campaign. No interest looking beyond the national league for I will be very happy once we get promotion and what Val Andrews has done will be vindicated

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 02/02/2012 11:22:54    1104111

I flicked through the Celt paper last night & it struck me that there was hardly a mention of the whole Seanie Johnstone debacle or the fact that the county board refused to sign his transfer request at Monday nights meeting.
I wondered why this was.
Has the county board issued a warning to reporters not to report anymore on the transfer saga or why the request was not signed the other night.
Seems a bit of a coincidence that this whole issue commenced due to poor or no communication by various parties.
I noticed also that an article in which Val Andrews spoke to a school regarding cyber bullying & the use of internet websites etc by anonymous users did make the celt.

tony.montana (Cavan) - Posts: 179 - 02/02/2012 11:28:12    1104117