you know as well as everyone that is fighting corners what was wrong. I have on intentions of posting here my views as to why all this went on but ask your club players who have played for Cavan over the last 14 years what has happened. Remember Charlie Clarke Pierce McKenna Barry from Ballyhaise his name I forget Young Prior at the moment the list goes on and on and you will get your answers. Its all down to all for one one for all and that is it.
seanorinn , 25/01/2012 at 21:52

just remembered Barry's name he is Barry McCrudden

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/01/2012 10:18:10    1100526

Whilst occasionally interjecting with an observation or inquiry as to the debate being carried out on this medium i have noted with interest the assertions and pointed opinions of 2 contributors in particular. I wonder if either happened to hear the sports show with Con Murphy last night on rte radio 1 at 7pm. I missed the name of the reporter as i only tuned in after receiving a message to say it was covering the Cavan to Kildare transfer story.

This gentleman confirmed that both Cavan county board and the Cavan Gaels club during the afternoon had received a transfer request already signed by the player, Kildare county secretary and St. Kevins club secretary. The process is that 10 days from receipt of the transfer if neither party have an objection the request will automatically go through.

What i found of interest is that the reporter went on to make a number of very salient points which i hadn't heard or read before.

1. Cavan county board had written to every panelist from the 2011 campaign in August-September thanking them for their efforts and advising them that the panel had been disbanded.
This gave the manager a clean sheet to work with for the coming season.

2. The manager whilst putting together his preliminary panel obviously phoned players he wanted to invite in but despite the panel already been disbanded out of courtesy, he also rang individuals not being looked for at that juncture. The reporter went on to say these players included former captain Martin Cahill, Micheal Lyng, Dermot Sheridan, Cian Mackey, Gareth Smith and Sean Johnston.

3. It was said that Cavan operated an open door policy and that this group are training with their clubs and depending on their progress may or may not feature with Cavan later in the season.

4. The reporter stated clearly that no player was told he would never play for the manager or Cavan again.

Now i respect everyone's rights to decide to follow what ever route is open to them, but my read on this situation is that Sean Johnston, who lets not forget was stripped of the captaincy of Cavan Gaels and dropped for the early rounds of the championship last summer decided that:
a. Val Andrews wouldn't drop him.
b. He would never play for Andrews again.

I have huge admiration for Sean Johnston's talents, I've always had reservations about his attitude but for someone or something special you make allowances. I admire that the manager hasn't repeated what happened in Waterford when Eoin Kelly was dropped. The manager did what the posters called for and explained fully why Kelly was dropped and it was then replayed and examined by every hack in the country. Players are amateurs and don't deserve short comings if any to be published for amusement or to satisfy a lust for scandal.

I wish Sean every good luck and hope he doesn't regret a decision that i have no doubt was helped by Kieran McGeeny who obviously has a different agenda.

My hope here is that everyone else just gets on with the task in hand, which is the betterment of Cavan football. Support our current players and by all means analyse but don't grind axes for sport.

08cngael (Cavan) - Posts: 20 - 26/01/2012 10:21:48    1100528

The reality of the situation is Seanie Johnston was dropped by a Div 3 Manager who struggled to stay in Div 3 and who lost the first round of the Ulster Senior Championship and the first round qualifer.

Now it seems Seanie is wanted by a Div 2 manager who as a player won and captained an All Ireland winning team,transferred club after winning the Ulster Club and manages a team who most years challenge for the Lenister title and usually get to the last 8 of the qualifiers at least.

That step up can only improve Seanies game even further.

And more importantly he knows he is going to a County and to a Manager who WANTS HIM.

Best of luck Seanie at least your good enough to play at the highest level..............

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/01/2012 11:21:30    1100583

Mr Richard J. United Kingdom, i attempted to make a reasonably informed and rational comment regarding the situation. You pro-port to be of reasonably advanced years yet your reply is more that of a tempestuous teenager who can't be reasoned with and who is always correct. You have berated all and sundry for the lack of available information and yet when someone posts details of what appears to be an informed account of events, rather that converse on the points you simply stamp your foot and reply with the rhetoric posters on this and the other forum which you contribute to are beginning to expect.

This confirms to me that officialdom are correct not to interact with any of us in these mediums as it is a pointless exercise.

08cngael (Cavan) - Posts: 20 - 26/01/2012 11:43:19    1100603

Top quality post from 08cngael.

Richie, McGeeney has yet to achieve anything in management. Good players even captains don't necessarily make good managers.
Jelly has had a falling out with Andrews, and fair enough he wants to play inter county. But to leave the gaels to do so is showing no loyalty to his club and friends.
I hope he gets his transfer, thank him for his great displays for cavan in the past and lets get on with the rebuilding job that has started so well with underage success.

peilarfheabhas (Cavan) - Posts: 7 - 26/01/2012 11:45:53    1100608

08cngael
County: Cavan
Posts: 16

1100603
Mr Richard J. United Kingdom, i attempted to make a reasonably informed and rational comment regarding the situation. You pro-port to be of reasonably advanced years yet your reply is more that of a tempestuous teenager who can't be reasoned with and who is always correct. You have berated all and sundry for the lack of available information and yet when someone posts details of what appears to be an informed account of events, rather that converse on the points you simply stamp your foot and reply with the rhetoric posters on this and the other forum which you contribute to are beginning to expect.

This confirms to me that officialdom are correct not to interact with any of us in these mediums as it is a pointless exercise.

Informed account of events???? or they your details of what happened or you just repeating the Cavan Reporter who was interviewed on RTE Radio last night.

Is it just coincidence that your 16 posts on hoganstand have have only appeared because of the Seanie Johnston saga???

Its funny how so many new posters suddenly appeared here since all the Seanie stuff blew up??

Makes ya wonder!! Still begrudgery is not dead in Cavan it seems. Posters so worried about him moving club.. Are these the same posters who slate the Gaels week in week out?? Why worry then!!

Seanie wasnt wanted. He probably didnt feel he had to score 10pts a game with the Gaels in the league to get back in Managements good books. And i wouldnt blame him there.
He jumped ship and fair play to him. He wants to play County football because he is good enough to. AND HE WILL.

He wasnt wanted and he left. BIG DEAL

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/01/2012 12:10:37    1100635

This transfer will need to happen fast as the window closes next tuesday.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3213 - 26/01/2012 12:55:46    1100676

Great post 08cngael and I would recommend anyone on the fence over this issue to read it before slating Val Andrews.

Richie, now that it is being reported that, as Seanorinn has been telling you for weeks, the door was not closed to any player and Johnston was not told he would not play under Andrews again does this change your opinion at all? Or do you claim that this is lies?

My take from what 08cngael has said is that Johnston perceived not being called in immediately as a slight and McGeeney took advantage of this and lured him away.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/01/2012 13:14:20    1100690

I think Val should ring Kevin Cassidy and ask him to join the Cavan panel, he'd be a good auld replacement for Jelly when he heads off on his adventure with the Lillies!! Good luck to Mr. Johnson i'm sure when he's a small fish in a bigger pond he'll keep the head down and do well. might stick a tenner on him to get an all star this year might be a realistic bet!

dread08 (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 26/01/2012 13:26:35    1100704

Let him go I say, despite his undeniable class he's been holding back other players and has stunted the progression of the team as a whole. One individual was never going to get us anywhere. Johnston is the Tevez of Gaelic football and this has been a long time coming.

Bananas (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 26/01/2012 13:39:51    1100731

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1038

1100690
Great post 08cngael and I would recommend anyone on the fence over this issue to read it before slating Val Andrews.

Richie, now that it is being reported that, as Seanorinn has been telling you for weeks, the door was not closed to any player and Johnston was not told he would not play under Andrews again does this change your opinion at all? Or do you claim that this is lies?

My take from what 08cngael has said is that Johnston perceived not being called in immediately as a slight and McGeeney took advantage of this and lured him away.



Maybe we shud judge Andrews on his results the same as any other manager in any other sport in the world is judged. Lots of players have been dropped by lots of managers.
Not on the words of some Cavan reporter

sheva7 (Cavan) - Posts: 498 - 26/01/2012 13:46:58    1100741

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1038

1100690
Great post 08cngael and I would recommend anyone on the fence over this issue to read it before slating Val Andrews.

Richie, now that it is being reported that, as Seanorinn has been telling you for weeks, the door was not closed to any player and Johnston was not told he would not play under Andrews again does this change your opinion at all? Or do you claim that this is lies?

My take from what 08cngael has said is that Johnston perceived not being called in immediately as a slight and McGeeney took advantage of this and lured him away.



who said the door was not closed on any player and when did they say it?????

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/01/2012 13:59:20    1100749

When they sent out letters thanking the panel fir their contribution in 2011 why did they not tell the players in question that they werent needed this year instead of ringing them? Would that be because the player would have it in black and White that he was not needed and this would have reflected badly on the management? How come that the manager didn't even have Seanies number? He had to get it from Lyng. After all Seanie was captain last year . You would think there would have been regular off the field communication between manager and captain? Let's judge everything on results and performances. Best way

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/01/2012 14:27:05    1100778

My apologies for failing to qualify what disbanding a panel means.

Pronunciation: /dɪsˈband/
verb
(with reference to an organized group) break up or cause to break up:
[no object]:
the unit was scheduled to disband
[with object]:
from today the panel shall be disbanded

This in many quarters would be deemed to be good house keeping and it also means you no longer have career panelists as each year players earn the right to be selected or not.

As i stated previously these letters were issued by the board solely to officially disband the panel. I understand its their right to make any decisions relating to the panel when competition involvement ceases. Furthermore it isn't the board that pick the panel so they would not have any authority to decide who is or isn't going to be selected for any particular season.

Regarding contact with player and manager I've been informed that the said player changed his phone during the summer after Cavan's involvement so unless he had notified the management of this (and he wouldn't have been compelled to) they wouldn't have been able to contact him without asking for his new number.

Still curious why there is a deliberate reluctance to accept anything other than your own beliefs coupled with a prolonged attempt to Vilify the present manager. I'm also curious that you still have avoided addressing the fact that Cavan Gaels took the extreme action (which they were entitled too),of removing the captaincy from and dropping this player from the early rounds of the championship last summer yet you repeatedly and indeed relentlessly use the phrase that he isn't wanted and is right to go where he is wanted. Does this only apply now when the county is involved as opposed to during the summer when his club was involved.

In relation to the comment assuming any poster with views other than your own is anti-Cavan Gaels. I can assure you one of my major concerns is the effect this could have on that great club. I truly hoped that Cavan Gaels would have taken the next step to attaining an Ulster senior club championship title last year. I applaud the appointment of Mickey Graham Jnr as an internal manager who has gained valuable experience with other teams and with the addition of the talent coming through their own and the county development programme i expect that they will dominate the Cavan senior club scene for some time to come. I would just fear how Sean's return to a united panel at the business end of the championship and the possible displacement of an existing player would be accepted.

08cngael (Cavan) - Posts: 20 - 26/01/2012 16:45:38    1100913

Would you have the word for a new name invention or would that be alias ?
I am always suspicious of new names posting on here and why they are afraid to use their old names !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/01/2012 18:14:53    1100969

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 8899

1100969
Would you have the word for a new name invention or would that be alias ?
I am always suspicious of new names posting on here and why they are afraid to use their old names !!

This 08cngael seems to know more about the workings of Cavan Gaels and when their players change their phone numbers than anything else.

For a man in the know so much i wonder would he give an insight into Team selection and tactics in the games against Donegal and Longford. Or was that all Seanies fault too?

Seemingly the CB are finaly having there say here. Why else could such unfounded posts get printed about players changing their personal phone number

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/01/2012 18:34:32    1100977

Cavan_Slasher
richiej

Regardless of what you are saying about 08cngael you have to admire his very educated post and I don't care where he got his information it has put everyone in its place regarding the position of the 2010 senior team they did not exist after August/September I thought it was July but I will accept 08cngael as being gospel. Great posts

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/01/2012 20:37:45    1101078

seanorinn
County: Cavan
Posts: 1538

1101078 Cavan_Slasher
richiej

Regardless of what you are saying about 08cngael you have to admire his very educated post and I don't care where he got his information it has put everyone in its place regarding the position of the 2010 senior team they did not exist after August/September I thought it was July but I will accept 08cngael as being gospel. Great posts

_________

classic post :D

Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 26/01/2012 21:11:53    1101099

Was that the team you said were flying in training last summer Seanoroinn ?
Because if 08 is right in his reading of it then you were very wrong with yours !!
There are too many vested interests posting on here at the minute trying to do down their own BUT despite their attempts to make this unfortunate story seem like Seanie's fault they are failing and decent supporters will see through them. !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/01/2012 21:18:17    1101109

I've watched this forum for a long time and have not posted. However, the tripe RichieJ is posting here sucked me in. You ridiculed the manager a while back for not having Johnstons phone number - implying he must be a poor manager. When the explanation is given the Johnston changed his number in the summer and didn't let the manager know you start sneer at the poster who informed you. On a different thread on this forum you also claimed you were not affiliated with Cavan Gaels yet I read somewhere else you said you were a "gaels man". You clearly are working to an agenda here, no sensible post can satisfy the crazy questions you ask of the manager. It seems to me the case is clear enough. Squad was disbanded, some were called into a pre season squad and some were not. No one was told there playing days were finished. Of the 6/7 lads not called in YET, only one throws the toys out of the pram. The public know the truth pretty much now and your position on this is quite clearly idiotic.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 26/01/2012 21:25:00    1101113