seann o rinn u still havent answered slashers question. What has Andrews done at Inter County level to suggest he is the man for us. Now the same question was posted when Tommy Carr took over and we all know what happened since..

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/08/2010 15:55:05    757018

Well tonight's the night for ratification it will be interesting to see what happens. Personally I would have great time for Val Andrews as a GAA man for he has done tremendous work at all levels of the association. Our last Ulster Final lives on in my memory for the quality of football that we played that day , we have not reached those levels since. Some people on here do not count being competitive in an Ulster Final as success. Well in 2010 we were not competitive in the first round we have club/county players who do not understand what real commitment is with an A la Carte attitude to training and preparation. I wish the new management team all the best and hope they can develop a disciplined panel who stand up and earn the right to wear the Blue Jersey of Cavan in competition.

rahanman (Cavan) - Posts: 127 - 26/08/2010 15:58:02    757022

Seanoroinn,

I am not being disrespectful to anyone here, poster of prospective managers !! I just think that this appointment is not right. I also know from your posts that you are very happy with it and you have been following Cavan football for many years as i have myself (going to games for 46 years) !! But my problem is that in a time when there are so many successful managers and All Ireland winners available, Cavan chose to go for someone who, in my book, has had little or no success. This is not an anti Andrews view as i have already wished him and terry well if appointed. It is from the heart as i cannot understand why someone with a winning pedigree was not chosen or to my knowledge even approached !! To be honest as a Cavan supporter for many years and someone who does not follow any other sports i feel a bit cheated !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/08/2010 16:13:56    757039

JonSmith . The point im making is without Hyland Andrews wouldnt get the job alone. If he could there would be no joint Manager situation. Hyland is quitely building a name for himself and had a good run with the under21s and juniors. The CB realise that by touting Hyland as a joint manager they can get Andrews in.Otherwise they would offer either the job..Clubs will agree because Hyland is part of the package because of his success this year.
But i still think we are not setting our sights high enough.
Look at the 3 teams left in the All Ireland.......Each manager although inexperienced all have all ireland medals ..
Thats the difference..They can comand and get respect..been there, done it..We just settle for Mr Average and hope he improves things..
Look at Down,Sligo.Louth,Antrim.......2 Year ago they were at our level......Now they way past us..WHY????

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/08/2010 16:17:17    757047

WELL SAID SLASHER.......AGREE 100%

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/08/2010 16:18:44    757048

ALONSO..WE ARE TOO CONTENT WITH AVERAGE.. OUR CLAIM TO FAME THIS YEAR WAS A COMEBACK AGAINST WICKLOW.. A DIV 4 SIDE..WHENS THE PRESENTATION ???.......WE NEED TO AIM FOR THE TOP OF THE LADDER THEN WE MIGHT GET HALF WAY THERE..AT THE MOMENT WE JUST HOPING WE DONT FALL OFF COMPLETELY.. NO DRIVE, NO AMBITION.. SO WHY SHOULD PLAYERS HAVE ANY

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/08/2010 16:31:07    757068

Richie, I agree with you, the night we beat wicklow you'd think we had reached the all ireland final. You'd think that the CB would at least give every club a decent bit of time to have a meaningful discussion on this. Most people heard about this on Tuesday Morning and have to decide by Thursday night.

The CB has taken the right approach with coaching officers over the last 2 -3 years by employing the likes of Donnelly and Dohery from Tyrone and Fermanagh. We are still playing catch up with the likes of Tyrone and Armagh at juvenille level but at least we are moving in the right direction so cant knock the CB on that. If this appointment goes through for the snr team then I can only see our talented u21's and minors becoming more disillusioned with the county set up

Alonso (Cavan) - Posts: 41 - 26/08/2010 17:17:48    757133

seann o rinn u still havent answered slashers question. What has Andrews done at Inter County level to suggest he is the man for us. Now the same question was posted when Tommy Carr took over and we all know what happened since..
richiej , 26/08/2010 at 15:55

I am speaking for what he did for us at Inter County level with Cavan and would have succeeded but for a certain person speaking against him in 2001 after what I felt were two productive years with him.
We were heading in the right direction and if you were around then and you had no blinkers on you would have seen the progress he was making. I have no doubt that once he brings in his own panel that we will make progress once again,
I was not in favor of the last manager and I make no bones about it nor was I in favor of his back room team and again I make no bones about it but please god most of these hangers on will now be history well I hope so anyway.
I am as passionate as the next Cavan person about our game and I hope to god that we will see some happy day's once again.
Regarding the Wicklow match I once again make no bones about this match when I say Miko lost this match not Cavan won it. Feck sake game plan went out the door and they put three players on S.Johnston when they should have packed across mid field any gombine would have know that. Remember the receiver is only as good as the supplier so you know the story.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 17:34:31    757166

The CB has taken the right approach with coaching officers over the last 2 -3 years by employing the likes of Donnelly and Dohery from Tyrone and Fermanagh. We are still playing catch up with the likes of Tyrone and Armagh at juvenille level but at least we are moving in the right direction so cant knock the CB on that. If this appointment goes through for the snr team then I can only see our talented u21's and minors becoming more disillusioned with the county set up
Alonso , 26/08/2010 at 17:17


I 100% percent disagree with you here for from what I see the talented players are coming from clubs not from development level.

Our talented U21 players I can guarantee you are here to stay so wake up; some of these will be our senior team starting from next January I would say. Givney, McKiernans, Kiernan, Reilly, McClarry, smith, Lunch. Murray ect and any quality minors that have to move up to the next level will do so willingly.
One would think we have brought in Paug and Rodge

I spoke with three of them last night in the gym and they are delighted that Val Andrews is coming on board.
Do you people think its time you spoke to the players to hear their reaction

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 17:44:07    757180

Sean do you really think any of the players are going to say anything against Val Andrews in case it jeopardizes their chances of making his panel ? If Pete McGrath was appointed the players would say exactly the same. Not a good guage there at all !! The trouble with this appointment is the secrecy that went on behind the scenes and the fact that someone said that a selection committee would be selected in Sept with a view to appointing a new manager in Oct. What occurred to change that ? It looks like the tail wagging the dog yet again and that some particular person or small group is infatuated with Val Andrews !! I believe we have missed a good opportunity yet again !! Will we ever learn !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/08/2010 19:13:39    757274

Seanorinn

there has been a major gap in coaching in Cavan and very few qualified underage coaches compared to the leading Ulster Counties like Armagh and Tyrone. For once the county board left the Cavan arrogance at home and employed "QUALIFIED Coaches" like Donnelly and Doherty 2 years ago. They are with the Development squads and we will see the benefit of their work at minor level over the next couple of years, so that just clarifys what I'm saying about the CB taking the correct approach.

Those players that u mentioned, mcclarry, mckiernan etc all came through under Micky Graham at minor level, one of the few qualified coaches in Cavan. If you do a check you will find out that Cavan is way down the pecking order in relation to coaches and by that I mean coaches that are qualified.

Also, those players that you mentioned are all talented, would you not agree that the CB should do everything possible to get the right man in to bring the best out of them. I don't beleive that the men being mentioned are, if you can highlight there achievements at intercounty level I will take it on board and change my opinion

Alonso (Cavan) - Posts: 41 - 26/08/2010 19:20:55    757283

It seems we are going around in circles here on this forum, the last 50posts seem to say the same thing! Those that are disappointed with Andrews/Hyland selection i ask you this, are you sure we could have got a better manager(s)? For all we know Pete McGrath wouldnt touch cavan with a laser pen, im just glad we didnt wait till November to find that out! Im sure if he was that interested we would have known by now! Personally im happy with Andrews but one thing i cant help wonder is what is in it for him! He's been with Cavan before and didnt feel welcome, so why is he returning for more?Unfinished business perhaps or a 2nd shot at the title?
Last point ill make is to those that say he did nothing with Cavan! After the success of 97 we lost Stephen King,Damien O Reilly, Ronan Carolan,Fintan Cahill almost immediately so believe it or not we were a team in transition and rebuilding! if you ask me he did very well

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 26/08/2010 20:29:35    757347

Those players that u mentioned, mcclarry, mckiernan etc all came through under +++++++at minor level, one of the few qualified coaches in Cavan. If you do a check you will find out that Cavan is way down the pecking order in relation to coaches and by that I mean coaches that are qualified.

These players had natural ability and did not need to be coached by who you mentioned. The players I mentioned are from other clubs as well as Cavan Gaels and have tons of natural ability now with a few they need to get respect manners and team understanding and Val Andrews will get this. McKiernan McKiernan McClarry McGivney Kiernan all these I have seen from a very young age long before M.Graham Or N.Walshe were doing anyting in training so no credit in their direction I am sorry credit goes to their clubs who brought them through, talk about jumping on the wagon and praising the wrong people.??? With reference to coaching there are a substantial amount out there and all came through the same loop as the above mentioned. The best one in Cavan I would say P.McCorry closest to Tony Scullion./

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 21:02:56    757385

Alonso , 26/08/2010 at 19:20


NO CREDIT to whom you mention for the players I mentioned, these players have tons of natural ability and have come through from their clubs not from the coach you mention credit goes to their clubs for bringing them through the loop. I have noted these players down through the years and they all stood out at club juvenile level.
here are a few more to look at Fannin, Brady, Lynch, Dukes and there are many more. If you have time come and watch the under age matches these players stand out from every club you see.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 21:29:45    757415

Sean do you really think any of the players are going to say anything against Val Andrews in case it jeopardizes their chances of making his panel ? If Pete McGrath was appointed the players would say exactly the same. Not a good guage there at all !! The trouble with this appointment is the secrecy that went on behind the scenes and the fact that someone said that a selection committee would be selected in Sept with a view to appointing a new manager in Oct. What occurred to change that ? It looks like the tail wagging the dog yet again and that some particular person or small group is infatuated with Val Andrews !! I believe we have missed a good opportunity yet again !! Will we ever learn !!
Cavan_Slasher , 26/08/2010 at 19:13

As they were just talking to me they were free to say how they felt for I am not involved so would not be a problem, They were more than happy with the new manager Val Andrews

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 21:58:23    757463

NO CREDIT to whom you mention for the players I mentioned, these players have tons of natural ability and have come through from their clubs not from the coach you mention credit goes to their clubs for bringing them through the loop. I have noted these players down through the years and they all stood out at club juvenile level.
here are a few more to look at Fannin, Brady, Lynch, Dukes and there are many more. If you have time come and watch the under age matches these players stand out from every club you see.
seanorinn 26/08/2010 21:29:45

I know that they have tons of natural ability, I'm from the same club as one of them and I know that the player would have huge time for Mickey as a tactician and a coach. Also I manage an underage team in my club so do get to see a lof the young talent at juvenile level in Cavan. I wish I was in a priviliged position like yourself wherby I have a job that allows me to see the cream of cavan juvenile football training and playing in Breffini on a regular basis.

Anyway it looks like Andrews and Hyland have been given the green lights by the clubs, the best of luck to them and I wish them all the best. I still think that it is a backward step but hope I am proved wrong.

Alonso (Cavan) - Posts: 41 - 27/08/2010 09:12:01    757495

Alonso
I wish I was in a priviliged position like yourself wherby I have a job that allows me to see the cream of cavan juvenile football training and playing in Breffini on a regular basis.

Alonso
So you can see where I am coming from then for its not hard to coach talent when they all ready have it. Yes I am in that privilaged position of being able to watch the cream of the bunch at all levels year on year.
I left out young bomber Byrne out from the list when he played for drumalee young Lynch from Cerossorlough a few years back Garry Ferncombe who Tony Brady dropped from the minor panel the mind boggles how some people tick.
A good coach in my eyes is a person that can get better from under rated youngsters and achieve.

Mickey as a tactician and a coach. You say is good I am sorry he failed miserably while working with most of the cream I will say not all the cream for there were far better players left at home but most.
Judge me on what I do and not on what I say.
Is mise Sean O'Rinn

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/08/2010 11:26:36    757609

Well the deed has been done and all we can do yet again is get behind the team and hope for the best !! I would like to say i am confident but i am not as i feel its yet another case of deja vu for us. I sincerely hope i am wrong and again wish Val and Terry the best of luck and hope that they are their own men and will not be deflected or influenced by the dark powers !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/08/2010 11:35:03    757623

Sean do you really think any of the players are going to say anything against Val Andrews in case it jeopardizes their chances of making his panel
Cavan_Slasher

Reading this post again and again and I cannot help but think that you feel I would be a runner for anyone. If I was a runner many of the past and current players on the minors and senior panel would have been hung out to dry, people _players can speak to me in confidence for one thing I am not is a runner.

Trust me on this one.

Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/08/2010 11:47:07    757643

No no Sean thats not what i meant at all !! It is usual and part of human nature that players would welcome any new manager as they would want to make the panel and ingratiate themselves with him. I have never heard any player from any county openly declare that they did not like the choice of any manager !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/08/2010 12:10:24    757685