Val Andrews got us to our last ulster final and we were lukewarm in our support for him and it was down hill ever since. If he comes back we should get behind him encourage all our players to get stuck in and get the county moving up again.

good luck to Val.


it's disappointing in my view that Mc Grath diddn't get the job but i don't know what went on or if he was really interested etc but all our players need to make themselves available

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 24/08/2010 20:29:20    755469

Seanoroinn,

What makes you so sure that Val will succeed as he has failed elsewhere ? How are you so confident he is the man for the job ? Maybe there is a few skeletons in the cupboard from his previous stint that could lead to trouble in the near future and set us back even further. There is an old saying "success breeds success" and Val has had very little if any at county level !! The more i think of it the more i feel that this is another big mistake !!
Cavan_Slasher , 24/08/2010 at 18:36

As my posts are either being blocked or edited I am unable to say what I want..

Cavan_Slasher this is part of your post "Maybe there is a few skeletons in the cupboard from his previous stint that could lead to trouble in the near future and set us back even further"

In all fairness how lower can we go we are at this moment in time bottom of the pile in Ulster and not to far from the bottom in the 32 Counties.
Val Andrews will put some pride back into our county team and the rest will follow.
Come on try and be positive all you posters for a change and at least give them a chance. I am sure come January we will know if it's the same old story will we not.????
Is Mise Sean O'Rinn
Slain Go Foill

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 11:46:29    755764

Seannorinn.........lets give them a chance??? You mean a 2nd chance because they were ther before.......Remember?? AND Their record was average....Remember??. Two weeks ago there was no rush the chairman said... October.. But now its going to be sorted in days which tells me the CB ARE STILL PULLING THE STRINGS NOT THE CLUBS...Are the CB officials who were in office in Andrews time in 2001 going to resign? Well they have to if Andrews comes back havent they??.The whole of Cavan football is riddled in politics.Always was..Lets see now what players play and what players dont.

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 25/08/2010 13:29:53    755883

richiej
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755883 Seannorinn.........lets give them a chance??? You mean a 2nd chance because they were ther before.......Remember?? AND Their record was average....Remember??. Two weeks ago there was no rush the chairman said... October.. But now its going to be sorted in days which tells me the CB ARE STILL PULLING THE STRINGS NOT THE CLUBS...Are the CB officials who were in office in Andrews time in 2001 going to resign? Well they have to if Andrews comes back havent they??.The whole of Cavan football is riddled in politics.Always was..Lets see now what players play and what players dont. The county Board are out elected officers and you must repect their decision otherwise the county would be for ever fighting about this and that.

Now all the County Board bar one has a vote with the selection of this manager you the clubs can send in a person or persons from the 40 Clubs or is it 41 with mullahorn St Josephs each will have their votes to do what they want and if they say they don't want the new management well go ahead and do so.
If however they vote for them with a majority well then there will have been a democratic vote and that should be the end of it but no matter how the vote goes this will go on and on.
Val Andrews was here before and he has unfinished business and my observations of him were we were heading in the right direction. Time once again will tell but remember this you cannot make players become superstars over night and also if they don't have it you are wasting your time.
I stand by what I am going to say now out from a half dozen that were on the last panel they will never make the grade no matter what. I hope now they work with youth instead of hanging onto so called senior players and build the future with them. I am talking about the likes of the McKiernans the Kiernans, Givney and so on and lets give them a chance say three years to at leasts win or be there in an Ulster final, win promotion to Division 2 no longer than two years and this will be progress and it can and I expect will be done.
History does not give any county a divine right to win year on year remember that. The sooner Cavan stops living in the fifties and realise we are in the twenty first century the better

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 15:21:38    756066

Seannorinn.........lets give them a chance??? You mean a 2nd chance because they were ther before.......Remember?? AND Their record was average....Remember??. Two weeks ago there was no rush the chairman said... October.. But now its going to be sorted in days which tells me the CB ARE STILL PULLING THE STRINGS NOT THE CLUBS...Are the CB officials who were in office in Andrews time in 2001 going to resign? Well they have to if Andrews comes back havent they??.The whole of Cavan football is riddled in politics.Always was..Lets see now what players play and what players dont.
richiej , 25/08/2010 at 13:29

As you are a gaels person you will know Val Andrews had no problems with playing your club players.


I hope all the hangers on will be forgotten about with Val Andrews and that we get back to the business of getting a team together.
Is mise Sean O'Rinn

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 15:25:44    756076

Could someone explain why :=

(1) The chairman of the county board could make a statement some weeks ago to say that a committee would be formed in September with a view to having a manager selected by October ?? Now we find that they have two men, Val and Terry, selected and could be ratified by the C.B. by 26th August !!

(2) Without the selection committee being in place who decided to go for these two men ?

(3) Why the sudden rush if not selecting a top rated manager i.e. someone who has actually managed All-Ireland Senior winners ?

(4) Who is making the big decisions regarding the new Cavan management ?

The who thing smells very fishy to me lads as there seems to be dominant forces at work within the C.B. whom the others are afraid of. This is the way it has been for years and i don't see any change with the manner in which this selection process is being managed. Someone seems to be even able to make the chairman look silly as his statement has seen to be untrue. Who is really running the C.B. in Cavan ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 25/08/2010 17:58:37    756316

Cavan_Slasher , 25/08/2010 at 17:58

Well it would seem that who ever is calling the shots it would seem they have got their man.
I expect the chairman called these shots and I also expect discussed this with some of the county board.
I heard there was six people involved in chatting with potential managers so it would seem that a decision has been made sooner rather than later,
If you read back on this topic most wanted a manager in at least before the quarter finals well he is here now if ratified tomorrow evening.
I say lads come lets give them this chance another year or two will make no difference to our standing if its as you were but another year or two could be the beginning of a bright future for our game in this County.
There are many more areas that need sorting for the future to be bright its not all down to our new manager but he can have a bearing on it with good results.
Can they not get a chance to prove the Doubting Thomas's wrong or right?
Is mise Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 18:18:10    756335

Cavan_Slasher
Could someone explain why :=

(1) The chairman of the county board could make a statement some weeks ago to say that a committee would be formed in September with a view to having a manager selected by October ?? Now we find that they have two men


Paper does not refuse INK

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 18:20:05    756339

Cavan_Slasher

Well it would seem that who ever is calling the shots it would seem they have got their man.
I expect the chairman called these shots and I also expect discussed this with some of the county board.
I heard there were six people involved in chatting with potential managers so it would seem that a decision has been made sooner rather than later,
If you read back on this topic most wanted a manager in at least before the quarter finals well he is here now if ratified tomorrow evening.
I say lads come lets give them this chance another year or two will make no difference to our standing if its as you were but another year or two could be the beginning of a bright future for our game in this County.
There are many more areas that need sorting for the future to be right it's not all down to our new manager but he can have a bearing on it with good results.
Can they not get a chance to prove the Doubting Thomas's wrong or right?

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 18:34:30    756350

Are the CB officials who were in office in Andrews time in 2001 going to resign? Well they have to if Andrews comes back havent they??.The whole of Cavan football is riddled in politics.Always was..Lets see now what players play and what players dont.
richiej , 25/08/2010 at 13:29

How many that were there then are still on the County Board I think just one and he does not have a vote

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 19:41:43    756401

Folks

It's a done deal, get behind the new management team, give them two years to make an impact. Hopefully, in 2012 things will have improved, we will be playing Division Two Football and have made the last 12 of the All Ireland series. I would be more than happy with that in two years time.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 25/08/2010 20:40:05    756454

Could anyone clarify for me:

-are we the only county in the country with 2 managers?

-why do we need 2 managers?

- does this sound to anyone else like that neither of the 2 proposed managers is
a. good enough as in competent to meet the demands of the job
b. willing to take responsibility or
c. in possesion of the courage to individually take tough decisions and stand over them

-is there proof of any kind that the proposed managers have a proven track record in consistently managing intercounty teams to a high level of skill, fitness and tactical ability?

-why have attendances and participation in gaelic football in cavan fallen so low?

trueblue_2010 (Cavan) - Posts: 17 - 25/08/2010 20:40:23    756455

You cannot have a good manager but we will give you two poor ones to make up for it !! == Cavan County Board !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 25/08/2010 20:47:37    756468

-why have attendances and participation in gaelic football in cavan fallen so low?
trueblue_2010 , 25/08/2010 at 20:40

When the county are doing bad the supporters stop coming through the turn stiles its that simple.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2010 21:09:38    756489

Lads when Andrews was over Cavan 10 years ago he made progress in his tenure, which was then cut short. He had us playing Division 1 Football and got us to an Ulster final that we could have won when Ulster football was on the cusp of it's strongest period in decades. And this wasn't with just the remains of the 97 team VA had made his mark on things. What could he have done had he not left? Who knows..
As for Terry Hyland his success within the county in the past 2 years is self evident. 3 finals with 3 team. Lavey lost to eventual all Ireland winners Cookstown and the U-21s lost to Donegal who were a missed penalty away from an All Ireland. Deserves his chance and has better knowledge of upcoming players than probably anyone else in the county.

To say that the CB have elected 2 managers because either one is incompetent is harsh criticism indeed. Tom O'Reilly and Co. want Cavan competing again as much as we all do. They have worked together before in a successful time for Cavan football and hopefully they can do it again. Best of luck to Val and Terry.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 25/08/2010 21:18:05    756501

Cavan Slasher.......I think this is a classic case of "buy one get one free"

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 26/08/2010 08:32:03    756574

No, It's not that simple. Attendences are poor because of the outrageous prices being charged into games. This has been questioned at CB level but nothing has been done to change it.

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 26/08/2010 08:54:52    756583

Time for us all to get behind them if they get in and quit the usual negativity on this website.

THE.FOX (Cavan) - Posts: 48 - 26/08/2010 08:57:47    756588

Given that he left the last time because he didn't have the support of the majority of clubs, I hope Val isn't a reader of this forum. Because if he is, then it's quite likely that he will withdraw before he is even ratified. What planet do you lads live on? How many top class managers do you think would be happy to work with Cavan at the moment? Get real the lot of you. We have the prospect of one decent Manager and a willing apprentice that is hopefully learning from his past errors. We should be thankful that all this is virtually in place before the business end of the various Championships. Whatever set of circumstances have led to this development earlier than expected, or who actually made the decision, it is progressive and decisive. Let them get on with the job and find something else to absorb the idle time you all seem to have.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 26/08/2010 09:56:27    756613

No, It's not that simple. Attendences are poor because of the outrageous prices being charged into games. This has been questioned at CB level but nothing has been done to change it.
SS1 , 26/08/2010 at 08:54

your post is getting away from the topic but come on prices to high, the highest I have seen so far this year here in Kingspan was €12 Euro for 2 matches now if that is heavy I just don't know what to say.
I will add this however we now have a good stadium that needs to be paid for.
We also like other counties have our county teams now where would you say the money comes from to keep this area ticking over. Did you ever bother to check how much has to be paid back to the bank every month for the work that was done in Kingspan Breifne maybe when you get time just check that alone. All this costs money and has to be paid for.
Times are hard I know BUT the bills keep coming in all the time.
Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2010 09:56:51    756614