can u clarify ure last post sean .when u say [we dont have a manager that we can look up to at all levals in cavan this year] are u refrering to carr .hyland graham nelligan etc.?funny that with exception of carr rest did a reasonable job.

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 20/08/2010 08:44:36    751115

hurler40
applies to all take it any way you want including you.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 20/08/2010 13:41:46    751447

u may be right sean thats ure opinion and u are entitled to have one even though its flawed.as u are eyes and ears ot county board it will be very interesting who is appointed.my choice would be terry hyland .

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 20/08/2010 14:38:19    751543

hurler40,

"he can do no worse than Tommy" !!

We want the appointment of someone who can do a lot better than Tommy !! We need to change our attitude regarding managers !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 20/08/2010 15:11:31    751580

jonsmith and hull40 oh and richj


if your posts are aimed at winding people up youare succeeding with me

you talk about insults but feel it's ok to single out people and defenceless volunteers annd say whatever goes through your head and expect to remain unchallenged

if someone points out that your cowardly practice is unacceptable you think that is borne out of unconditional love or some such nonsense

on these boards there are people you refer to as WUMs but in my view cowards like you are way down the food chains than people trying to occasionally get a rise out of someone.

your dispicable practice of throwing populist hearsay insults at people who are trying to improve things while you three are wallowing in self righteousness

Attack the issues challenge the issues but desist from your personal insults against people who are trying to actually DO something!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 20/08/2010 15:20:13    751595

touched a nerve have we?.we are not winding anyone up just relaying a message to county board what the genuine gaa people are saying.enough is enough ,what has gone on in cavan is unacceptable to me .read ritchiej s post and same words are spoken in every bar and club in county.tom reilly came in with a new approach and looks like [as we were].we had league final fiasco.tcarr sheridans incident with hurlers.now nobody is willing to appoint a manager.onchonlir and sean o rinn u cant rant and rave about ccboard all u like and how well they are doing but we are not fools.i will call it the way it is and as shakespeare once said quote[something is rotten in the state of dennmark].

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 20/08/2010 17:53:51    751752

Ochonlir I'm genuinely not trying to wind anybody up. The "populist hearsay nonsense" that I posted was simply to say that I believe a manager should be appointed for the latter stages of the club championship. Which is a fairly popular opinion in the county at the minute might I add. You automatically take this as a slight on the County Board...

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 20/08/2010 19:13:18    751805

ochonolir ......I just say it as i see it like other posters do. Aint winding no one up.No grudge against the CB either..As other posters have said we need a manager in place before the latter stages of the championships..CB it seems think that is not necessary..That seems like a lack of respect by the CB for all club players.

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 21/08/2010 08:30:52    751949

Well we have our new manager and I told you who he was in my posts, now things will happen.
Is Mise Sean O'Rinn

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 24/08/2010 10:06:31    754430

I don't know what to think now as it looks certain that Val Andrews and Terry Hyland have been offered the Cavan job !! I know Val Andrews as a very decent, hard-working and conscientious man and i think Terry is the same. As we all know Val was here before and may have got the wrong end of the stick as indeed he did elsewhere, Louth got rid of him through "Player Power" just when he was on the verge of getting them playing good football.

My main concern is that he has not had any success anywhere and i feel that it is again more of the same for Cavan. I think we needed a winner and its back to where we were prior to Tommy Carr's appointment i.e. a lot of promise but nobody with actual success for the players to look up to !!

I was afraid of this and had heard rumours but did not believe them when we had the likes of Pete McGrath available. I just did not like the feeling i got when i heard that Val and Terry were being offered the job, i sincerely hope i am wrong but i think we have again missed the chance to get in a WINNER.

Before anyone says that i am not giving them a fair chance and criticising them before they even take up the job i will now wish them the best of luck just as i did with Donal and Tommy but i am entitled to express my opinion and i believe the County Board could have and should have gone for McGrath, a proven winner !! Maybe it will transpire that they did offer it to him and he refused as i suspect Antrim will be looking for Pete soon anyway but i just do not get a feeling of elation about this !! I will continue to support my county and live in hope as i have always done. My dream to see Cavan lift Sam before i leave this Earth is still alive anyway if a little dampened again !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/08/2010 10:46:39    754474

John Richij and Hurley

maybe i've misjudged you

I don't have any particular love for any member of the Co Board but i believe they try their best. I believe we should challenge their decisions and encourage them to move faster (like in the case of mcGrath), by the way I don't mind wind ups as it happens but you should attack the issue instead of attacking the individuals.

However you can, on this forum say what you kike aand that is what makes this forum so good but just as anyone can express their view then anybody else can challenge that view. So if you don't like that can you imagine how the officials and players feel when you insult and critisise them.

Val Andrews in my view did a good job the last time and many people like Terry Hyland so it could very well be a good combination, I would have preferred pete mcGrath but I don't know what went on behind the scenes?

The most important thing for any new managers is to get our best 15 out on the fiels and I don't believe we did that last time. The players who slogged hard and trained all winter cannopt be blames but if we're to have any hope next year we need our best players lining out!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 24/08/2010 12:30:43    754634

Im speechless.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 24/08/2010 12:31:29    754637

Cavan_Slasher , 24/08/2010 at 10:46

This the best choice person that we could have made and we were heading in the right direction with him, I did not hear about Hyland but they worked together so know the story, as for Van not being sussesfull he won a HATRICK OF SIGERSON CUPS IN KERRY. Winning sam well I feel you best hope that we win the Anglo Celt cup first for even I don't think that WE Cavan will win Sam over the next 15 years Regardless of who we have in charge until we sorth out the development area, We have nothing coming ffrom this direction so if this area is sorted maybe in about 15 years we will be competing for Sam but not a pigs chance in hell with what we have at this moment in time players wise, sorry but I too call it as I see it.
Val Andrews is the man to bring us forward for now and to get the youngsters talking GAA instead of rugby and soccer. Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 24/08/2010 12:33:58    754641

People need to remember Val Andrews was there before. Yes he got us to an Ulster Final but apart from that year his record and results were quite shocking in the 2 previous years.. His league and championship record was the same as TCs in 1999 and 2000..IF he can get the players that wouldnt comitt last year intrested well that woukld be a start..Dont know how a joint manager would work in Cavan football..Would there be selectors too??
If the clubs ratify the appointment then we have to get on with it because that will show that they are the men we want so there can be no complaints if it goes tits up.

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 24/08/2010 13:00:26    754682

I'd question the reasoning for bringing in a manager who didn't have any success in the same county with arguably a much better squad 10 years ago. Then again with Hyland on board and good under 21s coming through hopefully the two can compliment each other and bring us forward. Hyland has been a great servant to Cavan and deserves his chance. Andrews will not be afraid to shake up the panel, he brought in new players after McHugh left and brought us to another Ulster final which is more than any manager has done since..

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 24/08/2010 13:25:33    754726

Posters should look up Val Andrews record at Senior Inter County level for the last 12 years.
His record with Cavan is poor from 1998-2001 despite getting to an Ulster final in 2001
His record with Louth in 2004 and 2005 is even worse winning 3 league games out of 14 in two years.He also failed to get past the 1st round of the Leinster Championship in 2 years he was there.This year despite Dublin Minors being regining Lenister Minor Champions he failed to guide them past the quarter final stage. So really his record is quite ordinary and im amazed that he is the man chosen to lead us forward..

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 24/08/2010 13:27:49    754730

Val Andrews may have won a HATRICK OF SIGERSONS in Kerry but in fairness my mother could have managed Joyce.. Donnellan.. Moynihan.. Mike Frank.. McGuinness.. No great achievement there. He's a very very average manager and he'll be looking after a very very average bunch of players

WolfeTone (Galway) - Posts: 123 - 24/08/2010 13:44:10    754754

No there is no doubt that Val is a decent fellow and a trier but so were Donal and Tommy !! This is another failure in my book for the C.B. as val's record is quite poor at county level and Terry Hyland is a new-comer and raw with moderate club successes. I simply do not understand the thinking behind this except to say that the C.B. wanted to hold on to the control and thats why Pete McGrath was not asked/given the job !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/08/2010 13:54:17    754768

Glad we didn't have to wait until October and I welcome Val's pending appointment. Can't say the same about his assistant, but that's for Val to work out. He is a modern professional trainer with good tactical awareness and strategic vision. He should never have been allowed to leave Cavan last time when he was clearly making progress. Mind you, I'd much prefer to see him managing the Minor's and U21's as previously stated on this forum. Perhaps he might be asked to take some role in overseeing their preparation. That would be very positive and innovative. He was very unfortunate with the Dublin minors this year. He brought them through from U 14's and had some key injuries prior to the Kildare games, losing out by a point after extra time in the second replay.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 24/08/2010 14:06:44    754793

Best wish to the new management team!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 24/08/2010 14:35:43    754850