Presumably Jason will be out after his little rant. I would also get rid of Sean Brady, Ciaran Galligan (unless he's deployed somewhere other than midfield), Larry Reilly, Eugene Keating and Michael Brides. The likes of Martin Reilly would need to step up or ship out aswell. Niall Lynch should also be swiftly purged.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 17/08/2009 19:03:22    394795

wild card ar u james moynagh

the.dosser (Carlow) - Posts: 22 - 18/08/2009 18:29:59    396066

SeanORinn, i agree with gettin rid of da baggage, but these 45-50 player provisional squad is the norm unfortunately.

i'd like to see an elite squad of 22 picked before intercounty pre-season.

At least people know the story. bring in some U-21's during the league to finish the panel.

Folks, at least the squad is semi-finalised quite early and work can begin on developing these players. the current format of provisional panels wastes valuable training time and player time. Establish a good training ethic with this core of players. focus on tackling, marking, fitness, establishing player relationships etc. Maybe some players will have a focused approach when knowing their inclusion is set in stone and the effort can begin very early.

it's all about hitting peak form in May 2010. No point spending Jan-March picking your panel, pick it before end of 2009.

Thoughts anyone? Sean what you think?

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 18/08/2009 21:58:10    396294

SeanORinn, i agree with gettin rid of da baggage, but these 45-50 player provisional squad is the norm unfortunately.

i'd like to see an elite squad of 22 picked before intercounty pre-season.

At least people know the story. bring in some U-21's during the league to finish the panel.

Folks, at least the squad is semi-finalised quite early and work can begin on developing these players. the current format of provisional panels wastes valuable training time and player time. Establish a good training ethic with this core of players. focus on tackling, marking, fitness, establishing player relationships etc. Maybe some players will have a focused approach when knowing their inclusion is set in stone and the effort can begin very early.

it's all about hitting peak form in May 2010. No point spending Jan-March picking your panel, pick it before end of 2009.

Thoughts anyone? Sean what you think?
dachubba , 18/08/2009 at 21:58

To a degree I agree with some of what you say, I am not for locking the door to new entries hence I don't agree with the magnificent 22 this I feel is why we are where we are for the current guys think because they are the elite for want of a better word are safe for we are in the panel.
Lets be honest if Tommy Carr does his job right how many will he keep I am all for removing everyone of them and let them like you lads fight for there places now that would cause a storm don't you think.
I hope this coming season that the County Board take on board my comment on the radio last week and do all the County training in Breffni no more of this traveling to facilitate the boys that are away. I am sure it is not to difficult to get a bus to collect them all in Dublin and bring them back to base, this would also save the county board in traveling expenses.
You say maybe players will have a focused approach if settled I don't think so they need to be looking over their shoulders every week to see who is new it's the only way for they all have to work hard to keep their place week on week, this should apply to all positions on the pitch. Take for example J Reilly well sure his position is safe at this moment in time unless we can get a keeper that will challenge him. S Johnston well while Tommy Carr cannot see beyond him well why bother to train for he will get his place anyway, this needs to be stopped and every place would be up for grabs week on week.
I am all for the Under21 knocking the crap out of the seniors once a week this way we will get them player aware and also match fit. This way we might go and win something with the future of the County the under 21 team.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 18/08/2009 22:48:33    396411

In response to the.dosser I am not James Moynagh but he is from the same club. Also I want to respond to D_Duded who said that I was being biased towards the players from Lacken Celtic. Maybe it came across like that alright, but what I was saying was that if you had Finbarr Reilly (who was injured most of this season) and Trevor Crowe on the county panel, what you get is experience and championship know-how. It also gives you another option if the young guys aren't pulling their wieght on the pitch. We lacked that big-time in the Antrim and Wicklow games. It was very disappointing not be in an Ulster final, but to lose to both teams in that manner we did surely must set the alarm bells ringing.

The manager always seems to be the scape-goat in Cavan. Judging by the attitude of some of the players - and the guys who went to Oxegen should be named - we will always struggle to win a match. In short the solution is with the players firstly and then with the management to pick a balanced squad of both youth and experience, which was the only thing I could see that Tommy Carr did wrong so far. We were top heavy with younger inexperinced players. The result is that when games get tight, you don't have the experince to call upon. Larry Reilly won't be around to save us anymore.

wildcard (Cavan) - Posts: 23 - 20/08/2009 12:58:51    398095

Sean: regarding your idea of using a bus to collect the dublin based players is good in theory, believe me is extremely unpractical. Our club tried it a couple of years back and was scrapped within weeks and we only had 4 or 5 travelling. Let me explain why, to have a meetin point central to everyone meant you would be closer to d city. This caused huge delays and meant lads werent home for trainin until half 8 or so. So then we tried a meeting point outside of d city, castleknock to be exact. Now some players had such difficulty getting to there that there was no improvement in time. Also these players did not get into their homes at nite until 1 or so due to the bus havin to drop everyone off.

Navscan (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 22/08/2009 04:35:28    399692

As I don't have any say as to what the county board do this is one issue that needs to be addressed very fast for if they continue as it is we will not get any better, 14 or 15 players training on a Tuesday night in Breffni Park is not good enough so its either all done at home or half ways but I would recommend that all County Teams do there training in one location and that is Cavan. "Breffni Park" its why we have the facilities so that this can be done at home, it's just a suggestion and one I hope they take on board for as it is we are going no place. I would say that the seniors the under 21 and the juniors sort out training nights for Breffni Park then the minors followed by the hurlers the ladies and the development squad once this area is sorted I feel we will be at the beginning of moving forward.
Paddy Smyth did this for years with the minors and ir seemed to work okay.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 22/08/2009 11:42:24    399768

sean reilly (cavan gaels) is the best midfielder in the county at the moment by a country mile, anyone who has seen him this year cant but agree! his fielding, distribution and point taking has been top drawer. he was askd in to the county last year but refused, every effort should be made to get the best out of this lad for cavan in 2010...+ hes hard as nails...we need a few players like him!!

natureboy.woo (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 25/08/2009 17:51:28    403841

how many times have I mentioned him in correspondence but do they want to listen I would say not, time will tell once again come 2010

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 25/08/2009 18:33:56    403870

18/08/2009 21:58:10
dachubba
County: Cavan
Posts: 26

396294
SeanORinn, i agree with gettin rid of da baggage, but these 45-50 player provisional squad is the norm unfortunately.

i'd like to see an elite squad of 22 picked before intercounty pre-season.

Where's the elite players coming from for this squad?

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 691 - 26/08/2009 15:16:43    404955

dachubba
County: Cavan
Posts: 26

396294
SeanORinn, i agree with gettin rid of da baggage, but these 45-50 player provisional squad is the norm unfortunately.

i'd like to see an elite squad of 22 picked before intercounty pre-season.

Where's the elite players coming from for this squad?
kingpuck71 , 26/08/2009 at 15:16


The problem with this so called elite squad is that they think they cannot be done without, in fact they believe they are Cavan's answer to Sam. The sooner we realise that only two on the current panel can fit into this elite 22 the better and the future of our game here in Cavan will improve. So let all the current players on the panel plus the potentials go out and show us what they can do and let Tommy Carr select them on merit this way is the only way and as well as that then when things go well Tommy can be praised or if they go belly up then he can be ridiculed its that simple.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2009 15:41:12    404991

396294
SeanORinn, i agree with gettin rid of da baggage, but these 45-50 player provisional squad is the norm unfortunately.

i'd like to see an elite squad of 22 picked before intercounty pre-season.

Where's the elite players coming from for this squad?
kingpuck71 , 26/08/2009 at 15:16


The problem with this so called elite squad is that they think they cannot be done without, in fact they believe they are Cavan's answer to Sam. The sooner we realise that only two on the current panel can fit into this elite 22 the better and the future of our game here in Cavan will improve. So let all the current players on the panel plus the potentials go out and show us what they can do and let Tommy Carr select them on merit this way is the only way and as well as that then when things go well Tommy can be praised or if they go belly up then he can be ridiculed its that simple.

i suppose the word "elite" stretches the imagination!

What i meant was getting players to do a job, and nothin else.
i'm all in favour of picking men to do a specific job, so first of all, get in players that can give;

- 9 months committment
- a high level of fitness

If either of these criterias are breached, then send them home, with an invitation to return with redemption.

If 22 can be got, then fine. if not, then work with what you have.

Next is to work/train/educate these players with the proverbial tooth comb. We need our skills to improve. So i wont go into the detail of this training, but if you've been watching the senior team, you know what's to be done.

So two goalies, 8 backs, 8 forwards, 4 midfielders.

Now let's be realistic. there are at least 8 defenders capable of playing inter-county football in all of cavan, or maybe will in a few years. So to be realistic, they should be chosen. there are at least 8 forwards capable of playing inter-county football in all of cavan, or maybe will in a few years. And being realistic again, they should be chosen too.
I think midfield will be our worst selection headache, but if TC has good scouts, they should be spotting potential, and the word "potential" is the focal point of my post. For all we know James Reilly is a great goal-keeper, but could be an impact midfielder in disguise! Things like this should be spotted.

An example of somebody to be worked on is Ciaran Galligan. has the attributes of a lung-busting midfielder, but i've never heard or seen him play a spectacular game for Cavan ever. He has the fitness and would give the committment, but falls short of inter-county skills. so i'd bring him in and make him eat, drink and sleep football, high catching, intense tackling, passing, movement, the whole lot. And by the time he's prepared to enter an Ulster Championship match in May 2010, he's at least focussed, super-fit and confident. His skills are improved through a comprehensive re-education programme and is ready to compete.

That's the manager's job done and the rest is up to the players.

We could name at least 22 players in Ciaran's situation, so naming 22 isnt a problem, i think selecting the 22 is the real problem. I suppose the manger's vision of how he sees Cavan competing will spearhead them selections, but alas, i have doubts on where that spearhead is heading for, or who?

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 26/08/2009 18:43:16    405300

dachubba , 26/08/2009 at 18:43 excellent post once again and all true as well, however you mentioned only C.Galligan in midfield do you not think that if you applied the same training to N.Walshe, D.Gibney, J.McCutchon, L.Mulvey, G.McKiernan and so on that they too would develop into potential midfielders, the art of fielding a ball is Illusive at this moment in time so something to work on for sure but this happen I don't think so.
I personally believe that the regional trials are an excellent cover for the managements inability to pick out potential during the championship and league and is a cop out, at this stage the management should have a fair idea as to what is good or bad. Just my opinion I must add. I have so far listed 17 players how many of these I wonder will be at the trials, I expect not many.????

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/08/2009 21:00:30    405440

Well Sean, who are the 17 players you think should be tried?

I agree with a lot of what the previous post said.

People in Cavan need to start realising that just because certain players have been on the panel over the past few years - that it does not make them intercounty footballers.

I think next year, the manager needs take a gamble or two and try a few new players.

For example surely there are one or two players in the county that are not exceptionally good footballers, but their strengths are work-rate, tackling and man-marking. For years I have been thinking Cavan seem to play alot of defenders whose strengths aren't even defending. Eg. Fannin, Hannon. We need tough spoilers who want to defend and enjoy tackling.Old-fashioned defenders who may not be too pleasing on the eye BUT WILL GET A JOB DONE.

In midfield, we need to take our players with rough edges and try polish them off. Galligan has the build and athletiscim but someone needs to work with him and help him individually. He, like others, can lift all the weights he wants but at the end of the day we are playing football - he needs to work on skills.

onthesquare (Cavan) - Posts: 76 - 26/08/2009 23:11:04    405667

dachubba , 26/08/2009 at 18:43 excellent post once again and all true as well, however you mentioned only C.Galligan in midfield do you not think that if you applied the same training to N.Walshe, D.Gibney, J.McCutchon, L.Mulvey, G.McKiernan and so on that they too would develop into potential midfielders, the art of fielding a ball is Illusive at this moment in time so something to work on for sure but this happen I don't think so.
I personally believe that the regional trials are an excellent cover for the managements inability to pick out potential during the championship and league and is a cop out, at this stage the management should have a fair idea as to what is good or bad. Just my opinion I must add. I have so far listed 17 players how many of these I wonder will be at the trials, I expect not many.????

I whole-heartedly agree with the regional trials being a cover for a lack-lustre management team, it smacks of primitive organisation. There is alot of players who wont play because of the ambition shown by the management. i was suprised Jelly came out in support of TC, maybe it showed his ambition and thoughts on consolidation,(small pond, big Fish).
The management should have scoured the championship looking for players with the attributes needed for specific jobs on the county team. I'm not happy with their effort, or their ethics.
Unfortunately, i havent see a fair crop of games in cavan this year for personal reasons but i would love to pin-point players with potential. Sean, can you name some players you've identified so far this year, if possible?

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 26/08/2009 23:17:09    405678

dachubba , 26/08/2009 at 23:17

I replied to your post and I posted my names that I have noted so far this year but it has not been posted I don't know why sorry. Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/08/2009 13:40:31    406186

the mods are really taking the ****.they let lads post their and their friends names in threads about minor players,and dont let someone post a list of players he thinks are good.

Dougal (Cavan) - Posts: 543 - 27/08/2009 18:27:36    406777

the mods are really taking the ****.they let lads post their and their friends names in threads about minor players,and dont let someone post a list of players he thinks are good.
Dougal , 27/08/2009 at 18:27

I am not saying good but worth another view or two if you know what I mean Sean

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 27/08/2009 20:05:33    406906

For the championship it should be:

1. James Reilly

2. Michael hannon
3. Dermot Sheridan
4. Paul Brady

5. Gavin Duffy
6. Eammon Reilly
7. Mark Mc Keever

8. Enda King
9. Ray Cullivan

10. Mickey Lyng
11. Nesty Smith
12. Cian Mackey

13. Martin Reliiy
14. Cormac Nelligan
15. Seanie Johnston

Although i'm not a fan of Cavan Gaels I think there should be more Gaels players starting! The likes of Gavin Duffy and Enda King are filled with talent

ryan_giggs (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 02/05/2010 16:19:53    635876

What about David Givney, Bud Fitzpatrick ? Lyng quit the panel . Enda King isn't first choice with the gaels (Walsh and Sean Reilly) Rory Dunne?

zamora (Cavan) - Posts: 200 - 02/05/2010 17:27:31    635909