RuaHughONeill

The book you claim to source your piece from, the History of the GAA in Tyrone by Joe Martin, doesn't make any such claim that teams from Carrickmore were forced to play in West Tyrone competitions instead of the east unless I've missed it somewhere, only that teams from the area including St. Columbas played in competitions classed as Mid Tyrone, West Tyrone and Omagh District up until 1932 when the St. Colmcilles club affiliated with the new West Tyrone GAA Board under Fr. McGilligan when no such East Tyrone GAA Board existed, an East Tyrone board was set up a year later. If anyone wants to read the book, it can be downloaded from the Tyrone GAA website.

spoonman (Tyrone) - Posts: 24 - 07/04/2009 17:44:22    251139

Moortownspudhead - We are talking about which side is better at the minute, not the past and not before the 2000s so its irrelevant of how many players were provided to the county team from East clubs. As for you point on the Loch winning nothing lately, what have Moortown won lately?..exactly. And i think it is a shame that you refer to Carrickmore and Errigal as East clubs. Carrickmore, itself considers to be in the West and have always played with the Western clubs and Errigal seems to switch from 1A to 1B as they are a south club. At the minute, the best youth teams are from West so the future looks better for West and even the east must admit to that. East clubs have won little lately except Clonoe who dont have a player on Tyrone team whilist West clubs have dominated Tyrone before last years championship. So i dont see how you can say the East is better, shocks me.

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 07/04/2009 17:45:21    251140

here folks it seems that no matter what we say it wont change redtools opinion on all things west.......

big sacks, come you and lend a hand in our club then you big couch potato

moortownspuds (Tyrone) - Posts: 336 - 07/04/2009 18:02:41    251158

i aggree with big sacks, every club has one.. moortown spuds seems to be moortowns jester on hoganstand who just wants to argue and be a moortown--.

dmore91 (Tyrone) - Posts: 125 - 07/04/2009 18:40:46    251204

I think in fairness to the loughshore clubs geagrapically wise have a lot of clubs in that catchment area you take you have brackaville coalisland stewartstown clonoe killyman clonmore maghery derrytresk derrylaughan and brockagh that is ten clubs in maybe less of an area that errigal and carrickmore put together are dealing with. Even financally wise some strain on generally the same area to keep these clubs going. There is a fierce rivalry between these clubs so joining up is not an option. Even the likes of maghery and derrylaughan hate each maghery have even banned youth team managers from playing derrylaughan in friendlies.

istolethegiro (Tyrone) - Posts: 73 - 07/04/2009 20:11:00    251267

seems as if moortownspud head knows he's is beaten. you dont seem to be fond of carmen, i've noticed from previous posts, wonder has it got anything to do with them beating use in the championsip final of 95?

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 07/04/2009 20:42:54    251308

in the last twenty years there has been 8 different clubs to win oneill cup
coalisland east
clonoe east
moortown east
ardboe east
dromore west
killyclogher west
carrickmore west
errigal east/west

istolethegiro (Tyrone) - Posts: 73 - 07/04/2009 21:12:33    251341

Does it really matter about East and West. Carrickmore have never identified themselves as an East or West team; its nothing to do with Geography - its how good you are on the field.

and spoons...go and buy the book instead of cogging it off the website.

Mid-Tyrone abu

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 08/04/2009 08:27:32    251615

Good to see people are able to rise above pettyness and have a constructive deba....oh hang on. Sorry.
And we wonder why people hate Tyrone people.

milo (Tyrone) - Posts: 238 - 08/04/2009 09:03:50    251631

Plastic Paddy and redhand The reason why Carrickmore and occasionaly Errigal play in the west Tyrone underage group is because when Tyrone is split down the middle, there are about ten more clubs in the East. If you were any sort of supporter you would know then that some clubs from the east have to play in the west in order to balance the leagues up. I suggest you spend less time dossing in the computer room and go back to geography class.

flumpo (Tyrone) - Posts: 100 - 08/04/2009 13:47:29    251972

That's some face turn RuaHughONeill.

And I did buy the book, thanks ;) Joe Martin deserves high praise for his work.

spoonman (Tyrone) - Posts: 24 - 08/04/2009 14:13:37    252005

spoonman,
I didnt turn anywhere - its in the book if you look for it - the County had to be evened up, a more equal distribution of clubs;there was high proportion of clubs along the loughshore area and sparse in the west; because Carrickmore and Errigal Ciaran are in the middle/east of the County and had a substantial intake area it was felt that they should join in with their western neighbours to balance it out. Dont see the problem there.

I dont know why you are getting on your high horse about were geographically Carrickmore is within Tyrone - but look on a map it it will tell you; we are much closer to Ardboe in the East than we are to Aghayarn in the west...that tells the truth.
And unfortunately we have to make the journey away up into the west this weekend.
But sure as long as we are winning....

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 08/04/2009 16:30:33    252185

RuaHughONeill, It is quite a big book, tell me what page in it you claim to back up what you have said? What I can tell you is that I've no high horse to go on, I'm only speaking facts on this issue by using the source you claim backs you up. Your suggestion that Errigal Ciaran were forced to play in western competitions a long time ago is odd, since the club has only existed since the early 90s! Maybe you are thinking of a previous club in the area, Ballygawley St Ciarans. According to Joe Martin on p232 of his book, he calls them in 1931 as a West Tyrone club, the only one to play in county championship games against teams from the east. When a new West Tyrone board was set up, a new club called Carrickmore St. Colmcilles joined in March 1932 (p243) thanks to the work of Fr Mc Gilligan. There is nothing in this book around this time to suggest that any Carrickmore team were forced to play in West Tyrone, they just did it themselves. By the end of the year there were 28 clubs in the west and 17 in the east, surely the best thing to do there to keep competitions balanced would have been for Carrickmore to transfer to East Tyrone but there is no sign of this happening at that time and they played in West Tyrone competitions until 1974 when the West and East Tyrone boards were done away with.

No one is disputing that Carrickmore lies closer to Ardboe than to Aghyaran, but then Ardboe lies closer to Belfast than it does to Omagh. As Carrickmore St Colmcilles only ever played in west or all county competitions, and Errigal Ciaran was a club that brought Ballygawley and Glencull together, and Glencull broke away from Ballygawley in the first place, both clubs lie in the historic West Tyrone GAA area. Rewriting history is pointless.

spoonman (Tyrone) - Posts: 24 - 08/04/2009 17:36:11    252273

Re. Flumpo

Sorry to disappoint you but the last time I was in school was nearly 3 years ago when I was 18. Its a pity you have to result to that anyways...

Plastic Paddy (Tyrone) - Posts: 664 - 08/04/2009 17:37:24    252274

Maybe I'm being slightly simplistic, but as a rule of thumb, I always considered Cookstown and Dungannon Council areas to comprise "East" Tyrone and for Omagh and Strabane District Councils to be "West" Tyrone.

Anyway, I find it an irrelevant argument. The success of the Tyrone team over the past several years should have consigned this topic to the dustbin. Unlike times in the past, the best players are playing for the county no matter where they're from and we're the reigning All Ireland Champions at Minor and Senior levels. You can't get much better than this.

Curly Wurly (Tyrone) - Posts: 148 - 08/04/2009 18:33:34    252334

Milo see what you have created? lol

East is just as strong as the West

East players
Sean Cavanagh
Kevin Hughes
Ryan Mellon
McGuigan Bros

West Players
Colm McCullagh
Ricy
McConell
Gormly
Shaun O'Neill
Stevie O'Neill

in my opinion if you played the 2 off each other it would be a thrilling game and would be a good way to create funds for tyrone gaa or a charity event.

shane_mck (Tyrone) - Posts: 159 - 08/04/2009 21:50:38    252482

spoonman,
you really do have alot of spare time on your hands dont you. I dont know why you have such an interest in where Carrickmore lies in relation to the rest of the County - but go look at a map - the village and the club is in the eastern half of the County, I should know - I live there.
Anyway - I let you get back to your Scor quiz rehersal - but watch out for those geography questions.

The boundaries laid down by district council areas are relatively new; for instance Dungannon is in with South Tyrone, so they wouldnt necessarily be East.

Anyway who actually cares - as long as the club scene is going well and the County are goin well.

But Carrickmore still isnt an West Tyrone team:)

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 09/04/2009 08:17:53    252784

I always considered the divide to be clubs that go to CBS west, and the Academey east?
This would leave carmen a west Tyrone club?

Francis1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 21 - 11/04/2009 12:08:13    254735

francis thats like saying those of us that went to school in derry means we should consider ourselves derry people??
your silly theory is wrong francis

moortownspuds (Tyrone) - Posts: 336 - 11/04/2009 14:24:17    254792

But spud would some of your club mates not have went to Dugannon?

Francis1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 21 - 11/04/2009 14:31:30    254798