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Sligo 2020 - 5 Like(s)

Replying To Sligonian:  "Timmy, you are alluding to the issue indirectly in a sense. The hope with the centre of excellence was to create a success-driven mentality and create a culture of excellence and expecting to win against anybody which would result in Connacht titles at all levels. For me, I look at the previous posts and it worries me because ye are all far closer to it than me, and the list of reasons for me suggests you still don't get it- the manager, the club championship, underage playing all year round... Take a step back for a second, even though I agree with on all those reason we could improve on but was Saturdays team good enough to beat Waterford despite all your reasons. For me yes. The mindset and attitude of the players for me is the no1 thing that needs to change. If we got a top manager tomorrow it would change the mindset of the players so the selection of Taylor is linked here. He did not get a positive reaction from the players on his comments which suggests he's lost the dressing room. But the problem is the mindset of players. We beat Antrim who are better than Waterford, we didn't get opened up down the middle against them but the only difference between that game and Wicklow and Waterford was the Players mindset, not the manager, the club championship etc..... After Wicklow "It's a desire to win and it's work rate and it's hunger and it's discipline as well and Wicklow had that in buckets and we were just below the level we needed to be," said Taylor. Taylor is an easy-going and nice guy and he's saying this but clearly he's getting tougher. I have been involved with Players outside of Sligo and teams and the attitude is different. You never have to worry about work-rate, desire, hunger, its something that's guaranteed in most cases. With Sligo it's never guaranteed because they either get too cocky or don't believe in themselves and hide. The next Sligo team that gets to a Connacht final and is in a winning position has overcome tradition and our culture and be able to handle the pressure to get us over the line. We seen some of our great teams fail because of mindset, Taylor missed a 15 yard free in 97 and we only believed that day with 5 mins to go, Sean Davey missed a 20 yard free in 2007 but we scrapped over the line but I can forgive a Sligo team for lacking belief not for being overconfident. In 2010 you saw the opposite we got cocky but the only thing is we had a Mayoman in Costello who had a different mindset because he's not from Sligo so he turned up and nearly got us over the line. I once had a Sligo player come up to me in Toffs, and say I was right in what I said about work-rate. He said he would let other players tackle for him. So he would put out an arm knowing the defender is going to break the tackle and let him go. I just said to him I already knew. Any player who tackles this way and isn't using his full body to slow a player down is just pretend tackling. If we had the correct mindset and attitude against Wicklow and Waterford do we win? Yes or No. There's your answer. There's the difference between 8 pts and 4pts. Promotion and staying in Div4. Don't get me wrong if Taylor starts the same team with the same lack of pace against Wexford he deserves to be sacked and it will be interesting to see how do last 3 games because its a tough run-in. I'd imagine his days are numbered and try not to look at Galway's results is all I'll say."
It was an OK read until.... "I once had a Sligo player come up to me in Toffs, and say I was right in what I said about work-rate." How close are you to the setup in 2020 that you know about the psychology of the team? Talking about what one of the old guard said full to the gills in Toffs is matterless. I'd go as far as to say it's absolute nonsense and you've serious value put on your own opinions. What has Taylor missing a free have to do with anything? Honestly... Did you ever consider that Sligo are poor. Bloody poor bunch of players and yes possibly a poor manager in Taylor. All doing their very best but poor. Sitting in a poor division 4 league where everyone beats everyone because they all have the same problems. London and Waterford possibly the worst yes but not dramatically behind. So who's to blame? The GAA for the distribution of funding The coaching work done in Sligo the past 15 years. Inadequate S&C work done historically? The deterioration of an absolute abysmal adult and underage club scene run with no interest from our County Board? Management? Player Belief (as you suggested)? Local Clubs willingness to chase players down and hold onto them? General interest in GAA? The Governement for not having enough work in the West? The parents in Sligo for not multiplying the population sufficiently A missed free 23 years ago? Possibly a combination of these things and more (which I'm sure we'll hear about). The truth is there has been dramatic change to this team and as I alluded to last year, things would get worse before they get better. Look at the overhaul of that team. Our best players are U22. They are good lads but most of them wouldn't make the panel in 2000-2002. That's the fact here. I'd be more worried in our U20 performance considering that looked a good U17 team in 2017. Why have we fallen off there? Will we continue to fall off into senior. Seems so

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 25/02/2020 17:36:11

Sligo 2020 - 2 Like(s)

Replying To Sligonian:  "It is true. The Psychology of this team is clear from Taylor's comments. What more evidence do you need along with the results? Mindset for is not just about Player belief, it's about having a resilient mind that doesn't change based on outside factors, that can handle pressure, that handle being favorites, you play to your own level not to your opposition. It means you bring the same attitude, desire, work rate maximizing your own level in each game no matter the opposition for the full duration. You never get cocky, complacent or overconfident and never overlook an opponent. If our players had the right mindset we wouldn't be beating Antrim one week, losing to Wicklow and Waterford the next. You can say we have poor players because it gives the mindset issues a free pass. My point about the past is pretty clear and I'm not going back and forth on this. There are countless examples of where our mindset is an issue, a huge amount of evidence consistently exists where if we had a stronger mindset we would have a lot more Connacht Titles at all levels. I reckon if our mindset was right we would have at least 5 more Connacht titles 2 x senior 97, 10, 1 x u21 96 and 2 x minor 96, 98. Some maulings could have been avoided and a few more final appearances but some of the below we would have lost anyway. 96 minor final and U21 final 97 senior final 98 senior semi and minor final 00 senior semi - mindset although great galway team 01 league semi - 7 pts to 0 score up 02 senior final - mindset and team selection 10 senior final 13 v london away 15 senior final mayo mauling - mindset and tactics 16 v ros semi - 8 pts up at ht lose by 9 2016 - 2020 too many to mention - the whole of 2019 That's off the top of my head where the losses and extent of the maulings were more about mindset than anything else like the reasons you list above and obviously times changed and some reasons but the mindset for me the consistently overlooked factor. Our players are still running the same mind conditioning. So improving S&C will have positive impact and will help a lot against better teams but Waterford aren't better than us. BTW I am not disagreeing with any of your reasons or the previous posters reasons but there are not the main reason we lost against Waterford is all I am saying. We've been here before and until we learn I repost this in 5 years' time."
If everyone had the same mindset, it would come down to talent alone. And guess what, we'd lose that battle as well. For a man (or woman) who stated they are not close to the setup, you seem to have a great knowledge about the psychology levels in this current setup. No point going back in time to tell us what could have been. Lord knows I wish I could go back in time myself and believe a bit more. You can repost away in 5 years time. i'm not sure anyone will be taking any heed of you then either. Sligo will likely be dribbling between div 3 and 4 for the next 5 years and psychology (though playing a very small part) will not be the main reason for that. If that was the case I could tell our struggling B' Minor team to go upto A' there and win it like good lads if I got their heads right. Wonderful lads and very proud of them but no more than our Sligo team, there isn't fairy dust I can sprinkle on them to make it happen. I bet if my list above was expanded, there are 20-30 reasons for decline. My advice, set up a task force for proposals on best how to address them one at a time. Take it from there. There is no quick fix here.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 26/02/2020 11:30:13

2021 Club Season - 1 Like(s)

Replying To NewSligofan:  "Today's result won't look good on Aidan Rooney who I believe has a high profile backroom team assembled in his bid for the Leitrim job. He can talk the talk but has yet to walk the walk."
Aidan Rooney and Backroom Team? Does such a thing exist?

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 06/09/2021 15:15:28

2021 Club Season - 1 Like(s)

Replying To ShellyGael:  "Yes it's possible that's a very young and fast Molaise side will challenge St. Michaels, where the winner will go through with Pats, who are surely favourites now for Junior A. A very competitive competition it must be said where Mary's could have beaten Owenmore at the weekend. Something must be up with Marys system when you see the quality of some players playing junior, that should be on their first team. Performance of the weekend goes to John's, nobody seen that result coming"
I know I said this last week but the groups of 5 are terrific. Marys never came out in the second half and were battered by Coolera who have it all to do themselves to get into a semi. Marys can still save themselves if they beat Tubber and Curry do them a favour. The second spot in group 2 is wide open also with two huge games in the last two week involving Coolaney/Mullinabreena, DRP & Shamrock Gaels. Should make for terrific games. Results in Intermediate mean amazingly Harps have virtually no shot now for a place in the semi. Amazing fall from grace to be likely in relegation and from what I hear, should have lost by more. One would think Farnans will pip Enniscrone in what will be a tight West Derby. Another west Derby saw Easkey secure top spot against Castleconnor. The couple of draws and Johns win against Ballymote means nothing is certain and any of the other 4 could reach the semi finals. Score difference could come into play. The Junior as you said has been entertaining. I fancy Michaels to go the distance after that good win at the weekend.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 06/09/2021 15:26:20

New Club Managers - 1 Like(s)
In hindsight, it's what he should have done to begin with. He took that job with no experience at club level. Anyway, good luck to him. Paul is a sound guy. I think McPartland is a good choice for Owenmore Gaels. He may just give them a bit of steel defensively to improve what is a talented bunch of youngsters. Despite Sligo not being so, Coolera were hard beat under him. The only other job outside of Tour, I've saw confirmed is the Castleconnor gig going to Nigel Reape. Through the grapevine, he sounds like a tough guy with plenty of experience at a pretty decent level. They will have to improve again at some stage you'd think. I'd imagine, clubs are giving managers another shot based on the short calendar last year. Can't be expecting too many changes round the clubs. Could be another short calendar this year though.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 15/01/2021 15:17:05

Master Calendar 2020 - 1 Like(s)

Replying To eoinog:  "Biggest change is the head off CCC has been replaced by his own Clubman, who says that there isn't politics at work there"
You love getting the shoe in eoinog

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 04/02/2020 15:32:22

Sligo 2020 - 1 Like(s)

Replying To Sligonian:  "A week is a long time in the life of Sligo Supporter. Summerhill winning, Minors drawing with Donegal in Ulster league and Sligo as expected beating Wexford away. A few of the words Tommy Breheny used to describe the Waterford performance, embarrassing, lacked desire and we stood off our men, but today was the opposite. What was the difference today, was it S&C, the club championship and standard, underage not playing all year round, coaching standard, the town, the distribution of funding, what's the one thing that changed in the week, hmmmmmm was it the mindset of the Players by any chance? Now I know the players read on here, congrats on Wexford win lads, delighted, but in no way does it redeem the last 2 weeks, only promotion will do that. And if we could be guaranteed like MOST other counties workrate, desire, effort, passion, and a collective attitude every match its the minimum we ask going forward. You will save yourselves a lot of criticism. Sligeach Abu."
You seem destined to take some sort of credit out of wins as well as defeats. Do us a favour and "believe" your way into keeping quiet for a while. Also, if you could change your name from Sligonian to Buzzword, I'd appreciate it. I was at both games. And I can honestly say we were not as bad as made out (bar last 20) against Waterford and we were OK against Wexford. This is the life of division 4 teams. Slow process in this change. Though, if they pull off a win in Carlow, it would be great to be playing against Limerick for promotion in Markeveicz.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 02/03/2020 11:02:01

Master Calendar 2020 - 1 Like(s)
Can someone please explain how on the calendar that has done the rounds, there was games down for next weekend, yet there is no fixtures up on the website? Other counties have started and teams don't even know where they stand. Sligo CCC and CB yet again holding themselves in a very poor light in relation to the club game here. I know emails have gone in but sure like any email that does, I don't think there will be much a reply

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 21/02/2020 10:51:37

Playing Numbers - 1 Like(s)

Replying To Sligoman1234:  "You'd imagine with Cul Camps which are usually bursting with numbers bar this year, development squads and coaches that they'd at least be holding the ground in most places? If it's as bad as you say you're looking at losing 3/4 clubs at adult level within the next 20 years or so. Would be understandable at a time of population decline but that's not really at play in Calry or St Johns I'd imagine. Even Coolaney/Mullinabreena probably has twice as many young lads in it now than 20 years ago."
County board have been much too soft on this. It was allowed in clubs as a 'once off' and is now part of those same clubs' norm. That then puts pressure on clubs competing on their own to compete with these other clubs using some younger lads. Tubbercurry & Cloonacool, Buninadden & Ballymote, St. Johns & Owenmore Gaels, Easkey & St. Farnans/Enniscrone, Geevagh & St. Michaels. I'm sure that I'm forgetting some. Domino effect rolling down. There is no rivalry for young players now and the so called 'average' players can't be bothered to be a very tiny part of an amalgamation. My own club, last year played against a team at minor that was an amalgamation with 22 players minor and an additional 4 u-16s as part of their panel. Our team had nine minors and eight under 16s. Was an amalgamation neccessary and if so, HOW were they allowed to compete in 'B' football? Again this year, two amalgamations are competing at 'B' level in the minor, four at U16 B level (including Enniscrone and St. Pats who are 30km and 3 clubs apart). Granted, it can happen that teams genuinely don't have the numbers, but surely it has to be policed to avoid continuation. You've a handful of rural teams that avoid it now - Tourlestrane, Curry, Eastern Harps (They would want to be avoiding it at this stage), Castleconnor and as for the town teams that do, something is seriously wrong. Unthinkable 10-15 years ago. A proposal should be made that ALL amalgamations play in 'A' - regardless of ability. Clubs would then think long and hard whether it is worth doing. Clubs amalgamation should be judged on the basis of the number of players they had in their final two years, the grade previous (E.g a team who has 13/14 players in their final two years at u16 level should not be allowed to join a club with similar numbers two years later.) I get the feeling that it is almost being encouraged at this point.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 13/07/2020 11:57:58

2021 Club Season - 1 Like(s)

Replying To ShellyGael:  "If that is correct, then why aren't CCC offering Castleconnor the chance to play Drumcliffe? Something isn't right somewhere…"
Speaking to one of the players midweek, they feel very let down by County Board. Not only were they down a host of players with close contact/covid but they were asked to go to Drumcliffe again, having already played two away games in group of 4 including a previous trip down there. Not an easy place to go at any stage without going twice in a few weeks. Hard to not feel for them a bit. At least Calry had two games at home in their group. The whole thing stinks. CB should have promoted one from div 2 and 2 from div 3 (if it's true that they are going back to 10 team groups) and just forgot about relegation. The league has been nothing short of a joke. Nobody is blaming them for teams getting covid but the inconsistency of decisions made based on it was poor. Once one team got to replay, surely they all should have? Championship is championship and I know it isn't easy to change those games but some team will struggle along the way with a number of close contacts and decide not to mention them and play. Hard to blame them when this is the attitude. Castleconnor were better placed breaking the rules.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 06/08/2021 08:30:06

New Club Managers - 1 Like(s)

Replying To republican:  "Is it any surprise to you? The one club domination might spur a bit of life if that club could actually compete in the Connacht championship"
I think it's only right we blame Tourlestrane for the lack of interest in GAA in the entire county. That makes perfect sense.

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 13/01/2020 13:39:14

Master Calendar 2020 - 1 Like(s)

Replying To Sligoman1234:  "Younger age profile of the new chairperson must be showing when they kept sea sessions weekend free!!"
The only sea session I can do any more is a recovery one I'm afraid

putyourfootunderit (Sligo) - 06/02/2020 09:37:43