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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now? - 8 Like(s)
Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet. Most exciting maybe but Brian Fenton is the player for me. Scary what he does from box to box.
I'd also rate the big Murphy lad up in Donegal ahead of him. Playmaker, scorer, grafter, ball winner etc. And he's been at it a while.
Sindar (National) - 15/07/2019 17:37:32
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Dubs V Mayo - 6 Like(s)
Lots of comments in here about the ref and the on and off the ball incidents. I'm a club ref and unfortuntately tend to watch these games as a ref and not just enjoy it like everyone else. I have empathy for Lane on the Small/McLaughlin tackle. In real time it looked good and the ref only gets real time (no tmo/var in GAA please!) and he has half a sec to make that call. After watching it a gazillion times since it could have been red but definitely a yellow - that's the interpretation between "rough play" and "behaving in a way that is dangerous to an opponent" - subjective. Either way, Lane should have stopped play and he could have done that at any point after the tackle once he realised McLaughlin was not getting up - err on the side of caution which in fairness, most refs do in such instances.
Pundits such as T. O´Sé and O.McC call for a definitite black card for the pull on the jersey (Davy Byrne) but apparently it doesn't fit their image to actually read what the rules state. Pulling a jersey is not a black card offence and it doesn't matter where/when it happens. In fact it is a noting offence only (not even a yellow card!!). Pulling a player by the jersey and that player going to ground is not the same as pulling him to the ground which is a black card. Happy to explain if asked but it's mostly about intent to bring the player down vs slow him down. If they want to argue that the rule should be changed then that's a different matter.
Finally, players and fans alike often call on refs to "let the game flow". Gimme a break! What does that actually mean anyway? Conor Lane and David Gough would be very different types of refs imo. They both reffed the two ´19 finals and I had a good seat on both occassions. The former tends to let a lot go rather than deal with incidents. If you do that at the start of a game then you are going to have problems in high intensity games such as these ones later on. It's difficult to now start pulling for fouls that weren't being pulled earlier - that's where you get charged with inconsistency. Gough is the opposite. He pulls for everything but I've never seen him lose control of a game.
Sindar (National) - 16/08/2021 18:01:01
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Gaa Rules That Don't Make Any Sense - 6 Like(s)
Replying To The_Biler: "The pick up. So many players get away with picking a rolling ball they might aswell get rid of it. It doesn't serve any purpose and is not a skill." It absolutely is a skill. Watch someone new to football and you'll see that it is
Sindar (National) - 18/07/2019 18:03:59
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Cork should lodge complaint - 4 Like(s)
Replying To seanie_boy: "It's over. There'll be no replay. Just further examples of inept officiating. Can't be trusted with time keeping consistently or administering the black card,Donegals Michael Murphys today was a joke." Give it a rest will ya! It gets boring complaining about the officiating. Ciaran Brannigan gave one of the best refereeing performances of the championship
Sindar (National) - 22/07/2017 21:08:21
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Dubs V Mayo - 4 Like(s)
Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=CiarraiMick: "[quote=Sindar: "Yes you can deliberately pull someone to the ground by the jersey and that is a black card. However, that wasn't the case here. He pulled him back and not down. That might sound pedantic and technical but that's why words are carefully chosen in rules. You'd change the rule to state that a pull back is now a black card. Of course that causes other problems." I bow to your superior knowledge Sindar as you would know more about the rules than I."]Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it.
Black card all day long.
Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long.
It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. I wanted it again just now. He did not spin him to the ground. It was definitely cynical but not a black card. Read the rules before you reply.
As for your Small comment "regardless of intent" you are completely wrong again. It is never a red card in GAA for unintentional action.
Sindar (National) - 17/08/2021 14:29:56
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Testimonials for individuals - in the GAA? - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Ulsterman: "Just a couple of points. 1. How much has Joe Brolly earned from his RTE/Indo work over the past 20 years? Has Joe's 'amateur ethos' mentality dictated his media work? Has he kept the proceeds or donated them to charity/good causes? 2.. The GAA has long, long since lost it's soul and principles when it comes to money with certain individuals, counties, clubs, managers, coaches, gurus, dieticians etc all getting financial reward. 3. Colm Cooper is doing no different and good luck to him. Anything negative said about this is just TOTAL hypocrisy." Ex player-pundits do what they do as a job. Whether you agree or disagree with these pundits, they have a commercial value for a paying public (via whatever media outlet is paying them). Ex players and managers cashing in has been around for decades but the difference is they actually work for their money.
A guy I used to know from Granard set up a GAA club in Barcelona 15 years ago, one that is still going today. A hell of lot of work went into it. He's a nobody in GAA terms (meant with the greatest respect). For two years he's been trying to raise 70K to beat MS that he suffers from. My point being that there are thousands of volunteers in the GAA who have put in as much time as our top players and they all do it because they love it and get something out of it. Cooper may have ruinnd that entire ethos for many of those.
Sindar (National) - 28/09/2017 20:00:09
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Roscommon GAA thread - 4 Like(s)
Stay positive people. I think we'll do it on Saturday.
Roscommon didn't play badly against Kildare. Too many stupid wides can kill any team. I just can't see us doing that again.
Cork good and on the up but Mayo had an epic meltdown when they thought they were home and hosed. Cork could only manage a draw with Louth and are capable of the occasional collapse as well.
Hopefully the pain of Clare last year will spur everyone on. Everyone would have been delighted to have a second go 6 days later then! The players won't want to have their season ruined again by defeats to teams that they have been much stronger than in recent years
Sindar (National) - 22/06/2023 15:18:34
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Project Dublin - a great success - 4 Like(s)
Replying To bad.monkey: "The GAA get a lot of stick but this Dublin project has been very successful. Through massive unjustifable funding and preferential treatment in fixtures the GAA now have forced the situation whereby counties will now need to consider merging to compete. Quite asute work to force the situation rather than propose the mergers themselves. This one big step closer to their ultimate goal of a neatly packaged "Super 12 or 10"teams. Far easier get bigger sponsorship and sell to Sky. Plus no need to deal with pesky small counties looking for a level playing field. Rossies have excellent structures, produce very good players but can now not complete even in a league game. Good job GAA. Role on Sky deciding fixture times, squad numbers and transfer windows" Roscommon are a division 2 team playing in division one. The fact that they're missing 9 players from last year that lost by 1 point to Dublin in the correponding fixture has provided for this anomaly. The main difference being Dublin could lose 9 players and still be very competitive. Dublin are not unbeatable as time will prove but they have raised the bar for everyone else and have done so by playing a very attractive style of fooball when many other teams resort to 15 behind the ball. Some of the points they kick are the best we've ever seen on a GAA pitch. During the 80's when Kerry won 5 All Ireland's and another 5 in the noughties, we never heard any suggestion that they should be handicapped in any way! Why do so now with Dublin? I don't want to see Dublin dominate but it's up to other counties to match them. Counties with those resources are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Meath and Kildare but they haven't been able to match them though bear in mind that Mayo lost to them by just 1 point last year and 2 points in 2013 and Kerry lost by 3 in 2015 and Donegal beat them in 2014. Tyrone punch above their weight in my opinion but I don't think they have enough this year to topple Dublin. I think it'll be left to Kerry and Mayo again.
Sindar (National) - 26/03/2017 12:45:43
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Do Umpires Take Their Role Seriously? - 4 Like(s)
I think the role of the umpire is being understated here. He has many responsibilities apart from the obvious point, goal or wide. The 45/65 is an important one and the referee will tend to rely on his umpire if the action is close to the endline when the ball goes out. Signalling where the ball went out for the 45/65 to be taken allows the referee to get into position for the kick/puck. Watching for a square ball particulalry from open play when the ref may not be able to get into position in time unlike in set play.
The umpire will also be the eyes in the back of the refs head keeping an eye out for off the ball stuff. He'll also be able to advise of other potential fouls inside the 21m. We often do see much communication between ref and umpire but it is happening. They have signals that they use between each other of not hooked up with electronically. Good communication and signalling are important.
At inter-county level and many Club championships, the referee will use the same team of umpires with whom he will have discussed with many times what he expects of them.
Umpires don't get a penny. A cup of tea and a sandwich at half-time and a few hours of their day gone. At inter-county level that could be a full day. Sean Hurson (Tyrone) reffed in Killarney last weekend. Think of the logisitics there. He has to "look after" them out of his expenses.
I suspect most day because the love the games and want to stay involved in some way. I'd doubt their doing it for the perks.
Sindar (National) - 19/07/2019 10:06:43
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A new stadium in Connacht? - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Richieq: "So despite a spend of €16 million on a new stand and media facilities the capacity of MacHale has been cut to just over 25'000 fir the Mayo/Donegal match for health and safety reasons, pure ludicrous not only are stadia capacities changing from year to year they are now changing game to game, a farce really." I don't get it either. Two Connaught teams playing and there's no problem filling it to capacity. Bring in a team from outside the province and that changes. Why? Because they may not know their way around the stadium/town? I'm afraind the H&S people have got the GAA by the balls and someone needs to say ENOUGH!
Sindar (National) - 24/07/2019 19:39:14
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All Ireland Final 2023 - Dublin V Kerry - 3 Like(s)
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I'd say you must be a referee yourself Sindar or you have a great fondness for one… Gough gave all the marginal decisions to Dublin and McCarthy should have been off for persistent fouling…and didn't play the full allotted injury time .. no the sign of an outstanding referee…" I am a ref. Never hid that fact. Club level only. (Not in Roscommon in case anyone is trying to figure me out) Started only when I finished playing which was too late to move up. I wouldn't have had the temperment anyway.
Can't imagine the pressure a ref is under in an AI Final with 80+ thousand 'expreasing' their opinions, other officials in his ear giving information and players testing him to the limit. Add in all the gamesmanship, the pre and post match media and social media which he can't avoid and we may be a little more understanding and appreciative of that level of excellence.
Those refs are at a different level and I've met a few them or been on workshops with them. James Owens is one who stands out. Such a level of calmness on and off the field but will never be forgiven in KK for sending Richie Hogan off in an AI Final.
Conor Lane made an error in 2021 and he was completely vilified after it. The list goes on. Part of the job you can say.
And they are all amateurs. Just like the players, they have to earn a crust the following week and go back to their families. Some of them with young kids going to school who have to listen to their dad being unfairly criticised.
I'm not saying refs should be free from criticism but it would be so much better if it was well informed. And I haven't read anything in this forum that could be considered abuse towards refs.
Sindar (National) - 01/08/2023 11:18:48
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Dublin V Cork Super 8S - 3 Like(s)
Replying To superbluedub: "Cue bitter guff from Ulsterman" Don't pass any heed of Ulsterman., He's on here for the sole pupose of griping and feeding anti-Ulster conspiracy theories
Sindar (National) - 14/07/2019 10:47:21
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All Ireland Final 2023 - Dublin V Kerry - 3 Like(s)
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A good post but one point….. l have issue with you saying referees are the same as players… they get paid to do the job while players don't.. If you are paid to do any job then you deserve criticism if you don't carry out that job properly and I don't think Gough did his properly on Sunday… I do admit the GAA do not make the game any easier for the ref by continually changing the rules but the current President does himself or anyone else any goodby coming out after every game showering complements on the ref regardless of what mess he made…it just sounds pathetic.. hence he gets booed sometimes.. Fair play to you for taking up the job but it doesn't mean you have to agree with every single decision other referees make like your opinion on Gough's display… I like him as a ref but this was not his best day at the office…!" Refs don't get paid. They get their expenses just like the players out of which they have to cover their 4 umpires. No difference.
Everyone has the right to express an opinion of course but you seem to suggest in your posts that Gough favoured the Dubs. Personally, I'd prefer to be called incompetent or blind rather than biased as a ref. It's the worst insult of all because it questions a person's integrity.
Thanks for the appreciation. I enjoy the job. I would have been a woeful Admin and a mediocre coach so reffing keeps me hands on. Mostly an enjoyable experience but you have the odd bad day for one reason or another. The worst is when you know you made a mistake that cost a team the game.
Sindar (National) - 01/08/2023 13:26:45
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Mayo V Kerry - 3 Like(s)
I think Mayo will have enough here. They won't find it difficult to get scores but the'll have to tighten up themselves defensively. Keith Higgins has been loose but somehow he manages to adapt to what's needed for the game in hand. It's unfortunate for them that their home game is against Meath as they'd be expected to win that even in Navan. I fancy Mayo and Donegal to progress from this group. This Rossie will be supporting his neighbours!
Sindar (National) - 12/07/2019 19:26:13
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The Sunday Game - Awful Coverage - 3 Like(s)
Replying To westkerry: "I love Dessie criticising other forwards , he must forget some of his own performances against Meath and Dublin." Not a fair comment. He was an top class player like his cousin Frankie but just because he wasn't from the Kingdom he's not entitled to a key commentary position. I'll bet you were wondering what Ciaran Whelan was doing in The SG last Sunday. Two Kerrymen weren't enough. They should have put Pat Spillane on as well maybe and make it an all Kerry affair?
Sindar (National) - 22/07/2019 22:24:32
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Dinosbar&grill: "Did he actualy make bizarre comments? Thought it was Brolly who made the possibly controversial comments - insinuating that Gough gave into the pressure to be harsh on Dublin.
All I saw CW say was that both men were trying to challenge for the ball and there was no need to stop play or book Cooper." Whelan said Cooper didn't pull Clifford's arm at half time. Considering that it was blatant I'd call that bizarre. Half Time analysis on RTE was rubbish. Brolly and Whelan let themselves down and Spillane couldn't get a word in edgeways
Sindar (National) - 03/09/2019 15:22:19
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Roscommon Vs Tyrone - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Ulsterman: "The lack of a black card for a Dublin player blatantly pulling down an opponent makes my case entirely." You clearly don't understand the black card rule
Sindar (National) - 13/07/2019 22:01:37
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Dublin V Cork Super 8S - 3 Like(s)
Hard luck Cork. Didn't deserve that score. I think it papers over some the chinks in Dublin's armour though. Cork exposed them in a few areas such as the kickout and their full back line. No doubt Tyrone, who have the conditioning to match them, will have taken note.
Hopefully Cork can take heart and rattle Tyrone next weekend. Great to see them back and playing front foot football.
Sindar (National) - 13/07/2019 22:22:40
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Levelling The Playing Field - 3 Like(s)
It's been bugging me for quite some time so time to throw it out there but before I do that please note that this is not an anti-Dublin rant. You won't find such a post by me in this forum.
This mainly relates to Football but could apply to hurling as well except for the BC point obviously (only a matter of time before the hurling fraternity have to concede that its needed)
Some suggestions to level the playing field for Clubs and Counties.
1. Reduce the number of allowed subs to at least four and possibly three. When did it go to six anyway? Add the blood sub to that as well. You may argue that a team should be allowed to use the strength of their squad in a game but that would be forgetting that clubs and counties have to work with the panel they have and that's based on parish and county boundaries primarily. Of course thats not the only reason as some clubs and counties punch way above their weight and others need to get the finger out.
2. Make the black card a sin binning offence. If you are the David against the Goliath and the opposition get a black card and they have an All Star running in off the bench it does make you wonder where the actual punishment for the cynical foul is. Meanwhile you look at your own bench and it probably isn't full of household names.
So, does the playing field need to be levelled and if so any other suggestions in terms of rules changes.
Sindar (National) - 17/07/2019 19:40:02
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All Ireland Final 2023 - Dublin V Kerry - 3 Like(s)
Replying To totalrecall: "went in to his umpires on because fitzsimons jumped up and down until he did........dublin should have had a 45 in the first half and kerry one in the second, mccarthy should have got 2 yellows and the challenge on ryan in the first half deserved a red...........don't buy in to this nonsense that gough was good, he was poor" You must really hate the Dubs! One thing for sure is that you know absolutely nothing about how to referee a game. Outstanding referee
Sindar (National) - 31/07/2023 20:44:02
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