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Does Anyone See Past Limerick Winning The Hurling All Ireland?

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "You're not wrong there. The same amount of championship silverware as Galway in that period. Just not the big one for us sadly.

I am pleased that you joined our championship and managed to increase your standards to the level of Leinster counties to get Joe his medal though. Fair play."
It's not a 'Leinster standard' really since 1999. It was 'the KK std'. That was the standard required to avoid elimination v the cats.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 11/04/2026 21:36:54    2665822

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It's not a 'Leinster standard' really since 1999. It was 'the KK std'. That was the standard required to avoid elimination v the cats."
Kilkenny are no less dominant now though, even though you're still picking really strange frames or reference.

6 in a row up to 04 broken by Wexford
7 in a row up to 12, broken by Galway
13 Dublin, 17 Galway
19 broken by Wexford
Now 6 in a row again even though this is a weak Kilkenny by their standards.

I'm going to move away from winding you up for a minute. It would be genuinely great if any one of ourselves or Dublin could stop it this yes.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4431 - 12/04/2026 07:45:53    2665840

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It's not a 'Leinster standard' really since 1999. It was 'the KK std'. That was the standard required to avoid elimination v the cats."
If Kilkenny had of been playing in Munster in the noughties they wouldve won most of the Munster Championships in that decade. It was an exceptionally good team.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 10:57:00    2665849

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Kilkenny are no less dominant now though, even though you're still picking really strange frames or reference.

6 in a row up to 04 broken by Wexford
7 in a row up to 12, broken by Galway
13 Dublin, 17 Galway
19 broken by Wexford
Now 6 in a row again even though this is a weak Kilkenny by their standards.

I'm going to move away from winding you up for a minute. It would be genuinely great if any one of ourselves or Dublin could stop it this yes."
That's ok, move away, you're the one picking the really strange frames of reference.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 11:03:44    2665850

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Kilkenny are no less dominant now though, even though you're still picking really strange frames or reference.

6 in a row up to 04 broken by Wexford
7 in a row up to 12, broken by Galway
13 Dublin, 17 Galway
19 broken by Wexford
Now 6 in a row again even though this is a weak Kilkenny by their standards.

I'm going to move away from winding you up for a minute. It would be genuinely great if any one of ourselves or Dublin could stop it this yes."
They are obviously less dominant now, going from 11 allirelands 2000-2015, to none 2016-2025.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 11:07:51    2665851

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Kilkenny are no less dominant now though, even though you're still picking really strange frames or reference.

6 in a row up to 04 broken by Wexford
7 in a row up to 12, broken by Galway
13 Dublin, 17 Galway
19 broken by Wexford
Now 6 in a row again even though this is a weak Kilkenny by their standards.

I'm going to move away from winding you up for a minute. It would be genuinely great if any one of ourselves or Dublin could stop it this yes."
No less dominant in Leinster, but still a KK standard, not a Leinster one. Galway have generally dealt with Wexford fairly handily, since they entered the Senior LHC in 2009. Have we lost to Wexford more than once in the LHC in those 17 seasons? A little more successful heh heh.......

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 11:15:27    2665855

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "No less dominant in Leinster, but still a KK standard, not a Leinster one. Galway have generally dealt with Wexford fairly handily, since they entered the Senior LHC in 2009. Have we lost to Wexford more than once in the LHC in those 17 seasons? A little more successful heh heh......."
Thats just not the recent past. In that time you had one of your best ever teams, while we didnt. In the Round Robin era we have both failed to get out of Leinster twice, while head to head you have won 3, drawn 2 and lost one. Which isnt too bad for us considering the 2nd sentence of this post.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 11:23:37    2665858

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Right can we go back to the present day lads. The historic stuff while at times very interesting at the moment it's gone completely out of hand.

I agree the title if the post is designed to stir. But look at the moment Limerick have shown a nice bit of consistency. However, while Gillane is always a top forward I do think if he's marked well we don't have other lads stepping up. O'Connor and O'brien have been way too quiet for my liking when they tempo has been raised. Also there are question marks about the fitness levels near the end of the older but one in a lifetime brigade. I definitely would like to see a midfield of o donovan and English and shove up lynch to the forwards. Yes same old same old but these boys have done 4 in a row, they aren't average players you can shove off to one side.

I honestly cannot name the 3 to come out of munster. Clare and waterford are a bit unknown but both don't fear anybody and can do serious damage to the other 3. Tired of Tipp with their rubbish no one is talking about us or giving us a chance rubbish. Yes donal og's comments were a bit harsh but they are over the top trying to create a false narrative.

I think leinster will be interesting this year and what would be fantastic is if there was a new winner there. Galway or Dublin are best placed to do that.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 12/04/2026 12:23:33    2665865

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "You're belittling u21 wins and u21 competition, and then go on to belittle players who didn't win u21s. Make up your mind like a good lad.

The correlation between u21 and senior success is quite high imo. Clare Limerick Tipp Cork have dominated the grade for 14 seasons, and have the beat senior sides our of it for the last 8 years. Galway's 4 senior wins 1980-2017 were preceded by u21 wins in '72, '78, '83, '86, 2007 and 2011.

Most of Wexford's senior intercounty success was post 2nd world war, but before the introduction of underage intercounty competition in the sixties, which perhaps is jaundicing your view there about the value of intercounty minor and u21 grades as underage talent pipelines for senior success."
I have reached and passed pension age age and though I remember nothing of it, was brought by Galway hurling fanatic parents to the Wexford Galway final in 1955.
Wexford were in no final between their victory in 1910 and 1951 whereas Galway who were in five finals during the twenties were in no final during the thirties or forties.
Galway were in three finals during the fifties wining none, Wexford in six between '51 and '62 winning three.
In the context of the Benedict/Viking debate … genuine Galway hurling supporters supported Wexford in all those finals bar '55, delighted that the big three were being challenged and enthused by the Rackards and that great Wexford team/s.
Though Galway got direct entry to the semi-finals and indeed straight to the 1958 final and won none of the three and taking into account the more serious impact on emigration on Galway hurling, they were not as far off as seems to be assumed 70 years later.
Galway lost to Cork in 1953 … 3-3 v 0-8 ie eight scores v six and the shameful dirty assault on Micky Burke by the greatest hurler of all time.
Galway lost the 1955 final by eight points to Wexford … much the same as the six points which Cork lost by to the same Wexford team in 1956. So we were not so bad and indeed won an Oireachtas final earlier … JoeSalmon and Jimmy Duggan were wonderful hurlers.
Re the importance of minors … I'm not sure how many of the Wexford other than John Quigley played on the Wexford teams which lost the finals of 1970, '76 and '77 to Cork but I'd venture there was a contribution- I do accept that a victory in the the U21 was more signicant as an indicator of a good future senior tea
Re Galway, the Coiste Iomana set a target in 1961 to win a minor all-Ireland by 1970 and the attention paid to under age players by PJ Callanan and Norman Farragher began to pay dividends … in 1966 Galway minors drew with Waterford and won the replay, beat Tipperary in the semi-final and were beaten by Cork 6-7 v 2-8 in the Munster final …many of the Cork minors went on to win senior all Irelands in 1970 and after… John Connolly, Frank Canning and Padraig Fahy were stars on that Galway team. Emigration was still a big problem in the West of Ireland and we lost Frank Canning and the Abbeyknockmoy Connollys to London and they came back to beat us in 1973. Galway went on to win the 1972 u21 but IMHO without the emphasis on the minors - we didn't win but got to the 1970 final - the success of the 1970/1980s would have been delayed.

Blackcoatsoffthefield (Galway) - Posts: 29 - 12/04/2026 12:26:20    2665866

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Replying To Viking66:  "Thats just not the recent past. In that time you had one of your best ever teams, while we didnt. In the Round Robin era we have both failed to get out of Leinster twice, while head to head you have won 3, drawn 2 and lost one. Which isnt too bad for us considering the 2nd sentence of this post."
One win in 17 seasons, and you're making mention of the '2nd sentence' like it was sacrilege. What about adding the ko games 2009-2025 to those round robin stats? Would they add any bit of flatter at all to Wexford's head to head with Galway in the LHC since Gakway entered that competition in 200? Iirc, no they wouldn't, which may or may not be why you excluded them from your data set there.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 14:23:57    2665884

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Replying To Mads:  "Right can we go back to the present day lads. The historic stuff while at times very interesting at the moment it's gone completely out of hand.

I agree the title if the post is designed to stir. But look at the moment Limerick have shown a nice bit of consistency. However, while Gillane is always a top forward I do think if he's marked well we don't have other lads stepping up. O'Connor and O'brien have been way too quiet for my liking when they tempo has been raised. Also there are question marks about the fitness levels near the end of the older but one in a lifetime brigade. I definitely would like to see a midfield of o donovan and English and shove up lynch to the forwards. Yes same old same old but these boys have done 4 in a row, they aren't average players you can shove off to one side.

I honestly cannot name the 3 to come out of munster. Clare and waterford are a bit unknown but both don't fear anybody and can do serious damage to the other 3. Tired of Tipp with their rubbish no one is talking about us or giving us a chance rubbish. Yes donal og's comments were a bit harsh but they are over the top trying to create a false narrative.

I think leinster will be interesting this year and what would be fantastic is if there was a new winner there. Galway or Dublin are best placed to do that."
Yeah the historical stuff is a bit tedious now.

WRT today the schedule will have an impact for sure, and this is unquantifiable at this stage.

In Leinster KK have Galway and then Wexford. Win both and it's one foot in a LF. Lose both, however… and Wexford won't be afraid of Kilkenny in the slightest.

Similar for Cork in Munster. Lose to Limerick and they then go to Thurles with the season on the line immediately

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 983 - 12/04/2026 14:56:00    2665891

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "One win in 17 seasons, and you're making mention of the '2nd sentence' like it was sacrilege. What about adding the ko games 2009-2025 to those round robin stats? Would they add any bit of flatter at all to Wexford's head to head with Galway in the LHC since Gakway entered that competition in 200? Iirc, no they wouldn't, which may or may not be why you excluded them from your data set there."
There are hardly any players left on either panel from the teams from 2009 to 2017, so not sure how relevant those stats are. Added to which we actually didnt play you very often in those years. Did we even play you 3 or 4 times?
Thats like the other stat friends from Galway kept reminding me of before 2024, that we hadn't beaten you in championship since 1996. We hardly ever played you in the 20 years after 1996.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 14:59:48    2665893

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "One win in 17 seasons, and you're making mention of the '2nd sentence' like it was sacrilege. What about adding the ko games 2009-2025 to those round robin stats? Would they add any bit of flatter at all to Wexford's head to head with Galway in the LHC since Gakway entered that competition in 200? Iirc, no they wouldn't, which may or may not be why you excluded them from your data set there."
Happy to acknowledge we were at nothing from 09-13. We nearly disappeared altogether if not for Trojan work by some wonderful hurling people bringing us back from the brink.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4431 - 12/04/2026 15:03:55    2665896

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "One win in 17 seasons, and you're making mention of the '2nd sentence' like it was sacrilege. What about adding the ko games 2009-2025 to those round robin stats? Would they add any bit of flatter at all to Wexford's head to head with Galway in the LHC since Gakway entered that competition in 200? Iirc, no they wouldn't, which may or may not be why you excluded them from your data set there."
You had a great team in the teens, I was delighted Joe Canning got his hands on Liam, just as I would have been delighted to see Hayes and Ollie Canning get their hands on Liam in the noughties, which sadly for them didnt happen.
On the other hand Id of probably died of shock if we won Liam at that time.
Thats what that 2nd sentence means.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 15:08:59    2665898

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "Yeah the historical stuff is a bit tedious now.

WRT today the schedule will have an impact for sure, and this is unquantifiable at this stage.

In Leinster KK have Galway and then Wexford. Win both and it's one foot in a LF. Lose both, however… and Wexford won't be afraid of Kilkenny in the slightest.

Similar for Cork in Munster. Lose to Limerick and they then go to Thurles with the season on the line immediately"
The Round Robin is a great format for sure!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 15:12:48    2665899

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Replying To Viking66:  "There are hardly any players left on either panel from the teams from 2009 to 2017, so not sure how relevant those stats are. Added to which we actually didnt play you very often in those years. Did we even play you 3 or 4 times?
Thats like the other stat friends from Galway kept reminding me of before 2024, that we hadn't beaten you in championship since 1996. We hardly ever played you in the 20 years after 1996."
One advantage of not remembering whether you played the games or not, is that you won't remember if you lost them all.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 15:13:29    2665900

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "One advantage of not remembering whether you played the games or not, is that you won't remember if you lost them all."
We did lose them all, of that I am sure!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 15:48:09    2665903

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Replying To Viking66:  "You had a great team in the teens, I was delighted Joe Canning got his hands on Liam, just as I would have been delighted to see Hayes and Ollie Canning get their hands on Liam in the noughties, which sadly for them didnt happen.
On the other hand Id of probably died of shock if we won Liam at that time.
Thats what that 2nd sentence means."
Imo nobody was getting their hands on Liam in the noughties, bar Cork or KK, and very latterly Tipp. Ollie Canning never had a sniff really, bar 2001 when out of the blue Noel Lane got us right to the pitch of being good enough to win it.......but that was strictly for one season only.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4661 - 12/04/2026 15:57:29    2665904

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Imo nobody was getting their hands on Liam in the noughties, bar Cork or KK, and very latterly Tipp. Ollie Canning never had a sniff really, bar 2001 when out of the blue Noel Lane got us right to the pitch of being good enough to win it.......but that was strictly for one season only."
Tipp were lucky in 01. Ourselves and yourselves shouldve been in the final that year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19195 - 12/04/2026 16:52:02    2665919

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If (and it's a big if) Clare get out of Munster we might get a bit of a run. I am glad we have a home game against Waterford as our opener. I think there is very little between these two sides, both with a few promising youngsters coming through. But it seems a bit easier for the Waterford lads to make the breakthrough to first team. The game against Limerick two weeks later will surely let us know where we are at.
I think everybody in Clare knows the scale of the task for us to get out of Munster this year in particular. If we do we could make a charge. I think if we face Limerick in the latter stages we will not be able to match them (a Munster Final win against them, possibly, were we both to make it there). However, we should otherwise get stronger the longer we stay in.
I say this because I genuinely believe we have some very good lads coming through. Diarmuid Stritch and Jack O Neill are generally considered excellent prospects in the county, and maybe Niall O Farrell can challenge for a starting place in the half back line. But in my opinion Jack Kirwan, if he gets game time in the half forwards, could be our find of the season. Sean Rynne and Keith Smyth are also worth mentioning among those others on the fringes.
From midfield onwards we look in fine fettle, but defensively (especially when it comes to leaking stupid goals, despite having an excellent goalkeeper) seems to be our biggest problem. Individually the players are definitely up to standard but somehow as a unit they are too mistake-prone.
Anyway, my prediction for the Banner this year is that they will definitely excite, and the longer they stay in the competition the more dangerous they will become. But I do not see another All Ireland title.

MiAmigaVERONICA (Clare) - Posts: 330 - 12/04/2026 17:52:17    2665941

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