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Dublin might live to regret not translating their superiority over Kildare into scores. Going to be who wins by how much on the last day. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 04/06/2023 16:33:39 2483946 Link 0 |
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Why aren't you taking it up with Kildare fans? Or is it just the Dubs you hate?
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 04/06/2023 16:36:37 2483948 Link 1 |
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Dubs will have to beat Sligo by more than Roscommon beat Kildare on the last day.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 04/06/2023 16:47:31 2483956 Link 0 |
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Which you imagine will happen though who knows.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 04/06/2023 16:51:27 2483959 Link 0 |
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Obviously. Can't afford to be missing Con that day because I can see Rossies hammering the daylights out of Kildare who will give up once they go a few points behind. Sligo probably a bit more fight in them. Dublin will be needing 3/4 goals methinks.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 04/06/2023 16:55:07 2483961 Link 0 |
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How was a penalty awarded and black card issued against Cork for supposedly "denying a clear goal scoring opportunity within the 20 m line" which wasn't clear cut at all, and, nothing was awarded to Louth when the Mayo goal keeper clearly pushed the Louth player denying him a clear goal scoring opportunity mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 04/06/2023 17:04:24 2483968 Link 3 |
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For the same reason that Dublin didn't get a penalty nor opponent a black card despite it being a duplicate of the Cork incident. It's down to the referees's "interpretation". Once again a nonsense interpretative rule. He was either inside the 20 or he wasn't and he was either last man or not. There are 3 officials within yards of it. Once a rule comes down to interpretation then you know you have a problem.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/06/2023 17:25:48 2483972 Link 2 |
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They'll either beat them by 40 or 2 :-)
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 04/06/2023 18:27:24 2483993 Link 1 |
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I did call this out earlier in the chat when I had a bit of a sour grapes moan at the Cork penalty. However, whilst it was a moan, I did say that this rule will probably not be implemented again all year and lo and behold it wasn't even implemented twice in the same weekend. I think you're right. Just enlarge the penalty area, rather than this interpretive rule. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 04/06/2023 23:05:43 2484081 Link 2 |
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Problem is compounded by the fact that the GAA sees fit to change rules every few years, and the referees basically "wing it" as they adjudicate.
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 216 - 05/06/2023 06:34:49 2484101 Link 1 |
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Could somebody here post the GAA Rule for this penalty decision and when was it introduced? I've tried to find this in the online rules but failed. Looks like most GAA pundits weren't aware of it and neither was ref Hurson in the Dubs match or Mooney in the game up north. JackMurphy (Cork) - Posts: 30 - 05/06/2023 13:31:13 2484161 Link 2 |
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Came in following Congress in 2021. Haven't checked the actual rule but here's an article on it. Definitely the ref in Kilkenny seemed to be oblivious to it as it checked all the boxes for a black card and penalty. https://www.gaa.ie/news/referees-ready-to-implement-new-playing-rules/ Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 05/06/2023 16:48:38 2484189 Link 0 |
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Was introduced in 2021 but rarely enforced. Could have been enforced in the Tyrone Armagh and Kildare Dublin games but wasn't. Gough punished Powter to the limit!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 216 - 05/06/2023 17:00:07 2484190 Link 0 |
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I think people have overlooked the fact that an unmarked Paudie Clifford - clearly screaming for a pass - was charging in on goal to Geaney's right. Accordingly, it was a 'clear goal scoring opportunity'.
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 05/06/2023 18:49:51 2484210 Link 0 |
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Almost every rules is an 'interpretive rule'. The rule you refer to does not mention 'last man'. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 05/06/2023 18:53:09 2484211 Link 0 |
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Football | Denying a Goalscoring Opportunity• • is no change to the cynical behaviour fouls. The rule change allows a Referee to award a penalty kick if the infraction is committed inside the 20m line or the semi-circle and the Referee deems it to be a goal-scoring opportunity. • All other black cards and consequences continue as before. • It is the decision of the Referee as to whether it is a goal-scoring opportunity or not. However, it must be inside the 20m line or the semi-circular arc. Things the referee should consider: • Where the foul occurred • How many defenders are between the attaching player and the goals • Could another defender make a tackle before reaching the goals? • How many players are in the area in front of the goals? • If a player commits a Cynical Behaviour infraction within the 20-metre line or the semicircular arc and outside the large rectangle, and it is not a goal-scoring opportunity, the referee will deal with foul as per rule i.e. issue the card and award a free-kick. • This is only for Senior Inter-County League & Championship 2021. Published on 5/5/2021 on GAA website. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 05/06/2023 19:12:29 2484214 Link 0 |
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Only time I ever remember it been used was when we played Dublin in league a few years ago ref gave two penalties for this. Never seen it before or after till the weekend. Ridiculous
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1145 - 05/06/2023 19:25:36 2484216 Link 0 |
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The trouble with these discretionary rules is that they are truly unpredictable. The football one being discussed is not as mad as the short-lived hurling equivalent which led to some bizarre penalty awards but it is from the same mindset.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 05/06/2023 20:49:47 2484223 Link 0 |
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I never new the "rule" and have been watching GAA since we only had a radio suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 05/06/2023 21:15:33 2484230 Link 1 |
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We can assume that the goal scoring opportunity applies to the player who has the ball, otherwise a new can of worms opens up? This is Peter Canavan's take on the incident.... "My understanding was it had to be a clear goalscoring opportunity; in that case I don't think it was for a number of reasons. He was coming in at a tight angle and if he was shooting Powter would have been very close to him. Possibly he would be fisting over the bar. If he had got past Powter, would some of the other defenders not be there to get a block on it?" The six-time All Star said there is ambiguity around the rule, which does not reference a "clear" goalscoring opportunity, just a goalscoring opportunity. "It is not in the rule book, but if you speak to any referee, they would say in their opinion it has to be clear. That is where the mix-up in terminology is coming." JackMurphy (Cork) - Posts: 30 - 06/06/2023 09:44:04 2484283 Link 0 |