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Egan is a throughly decent fella by all accounts but think a change in management might be the best course of action, from January I was purely judging them on championship, I wasn't getting to bogged down on the league and Clare result,for years we were giving out about Davy going 12-13 championship starters most league games, also look at Limerick the 1 year in the last 3 they've gone hard for the league they could easily of not made the top 3 in Munster, the more concerning result for me was the 20 point defeat to Tipp in a challenge game 2 weeks before championship, understandably the rotten abuse towards Chin overshadowed it.
It was a really disappointing championship overall, I know we got bad luck injury wise but we barely laid a glove on Galway, Antrim was 1 really good and 1 really bad half to be honest, the amount of goal chances we gave up was a big concern. For the 2nd year in a row we completely left it behind us against Dublin, responsibility on both players ( awful wides) and management ( crazy set up). Westmeath was our darkest day in hurling history while Kilkenny was a crazy game and occasion where some experienced players who had been playing below par or weren't getting picked stood up and were counted. Outside of the 2 Kilkenny games we've really had 2 poor round Robins, realistically the 4 games against Westmeath and Dublin over the 2 years were 4 games we left behind us, once you might be unlucky but 4 games suggests more if a deeper rooted issue. Our injury count this year would have to raise concerns, some were unlucky like Ryan's injury against Galway in the league but the overall amount would pose the question S&C wise did we get things wrong.
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I'm surprised this Topic is still going. Someone needs to start a new one, 'Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2024'.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I'm surprised this Topic is still going. Someone needs to start a new one, 'Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2024'." Surprised you're still viewing it.
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Replying To Joe1: "Surprised you're still viewing it." I wouldn't if wasn't stuck in the top 5 topics recently commented on. I viewed it to see what they could still be talking about. Their season ended a week ago.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I'm surprised this Topic is still going. Someone needs to start a new one, 'Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2024'." That won't be til after the club championships
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I wouldn't if wasn't stuck in the top 5 topics recently commented on. I viewed it to see what they could still be talking about. Their season ended a week ago." Wexford need to treat this season a bit like how things ended up for Clare after the '93 Munster hurling final v Tipperary. At least some key players stood up in the final game v Kilkenny. It is something to build on. It would be great for hurling if Wexford could come back into contention like they did in the mid-90's…
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Replying To hunting: "Is paudie Foley back next year?" He's a teacher in Gorey and my understanding is he's traveling next year also.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I wouldn't if wasn't stuck in the top 5 topics recently commented on. I viewed it to see what they could still be talking about. Their season ended a week ago." Go engage on the Kilkenny thread ahead of the Leinster final, must be buzzing…… oh wait
goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 110 - 04/06/2023 23:04:28
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Replying To Observer23: "Wexford need to treat this season a bit like how things ended up for Clare after the '93 Munster hurling final v Tipperary. At least some key players stood up in the final game v Kilkenny. It is something to build on. It would be great for hurling if Wexford could come back into contention like they did in the mid-90's…" I don't think we're that far off.
2 leinster finals6in the last 6 years.
1 win an unlucky in all Ireland semi final.
A couple of league semi finals.
Were generally an all Ireland quarter final team in that period.
Bar this year being a total disaster.
Some of that is down to injuries, luck and a bit of a lack of guts.
We do need to learn the lessons from this year though.
We've found a few new players, and need to find a few more.
Every game is important next year.
That Kilkenny win will have done something for the overall mindset but we can't forget Dublin and Westmeath in particular. We should be preparing for a leinster final now so must ask ourselves why we've left so much behind us in games we dominated the majority of.
For me it's just an attitude problem. The approach was all wrong.
Another poster used the phrase "didn't lay a glove on Galway"
We were well in that game. There was a 10 minute period early in the second half where we allowed Galway 9 scores on the trot which was the winning margin.
An easy fix with some minor tweaks.
Looking forward to the club now. Hopefully the fringe players will take another step up.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I wouldn't if wasn't stuck in the top 5 topics recently commented on. I viewed it to see what they could still be talking about. Their season ended a week ago." The Wexford forum is for Wexford posters to air their views. We don't mind outsiders coming on and expressing their views but please try to refrain from telling us to stop referring to issues that you consider to be done and dusted. If you are not happy with our writings then perhaps you would start a Kilkenny forum.
Anyway I am just going to make a final comment and it's about 2024. That should please you Cockley. For next year I think our biggest concern is our back 6. I know the 2 Recks will be free from injury then. ( hopefully ) but I think we need to get our corner backs and the numbers 5 and 7 sorted.
We were cut open far too much during the league and championship. We simply can't be leaking goals at the rate we did this season. Get our defence in order and things will be a lot brighter in 2024.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I don't think we're that far off.
2 leinster finals6in the last 6 years.
1 win an unlucky in all Ireland semi final.
A couple of league semi finals.
Were generally an all Ireland quarter final team in that period.
Bar this year being a total disaster.
Some of that is down to injuries, luck and a bit of a lack of guts.
We do need to learn the lessons from this year though.
We've found a few new players, and need to find a few more.
Every game is important next year.
That Kilkenny win will have done something for the overall mindset but we can't forget Dublin and Westmeath in particular. We should be preparing for a leinster final now so must ask ourselves why we've left so much behind us in games we dominated the majority of.
For me it's just an attitude problem. The approach was all wrong.
Another poster used the phrase "didn't lay a glove on Galway"
We were well in that game. There was a 10 minute period early in the second half where we allowed Galway 9 scores on the trot which was the winning margin.
An easy fix with some minor tweaks.
Looking forward to the club now. Hopefully the fringe players will take another step up." Spot on Doylerwex
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Replying To Magpie2: "The Wexford forum is for Wexford posters to air their views. We don't mind outsiders coming on and expressing their views but please try to refrain from telling us to stop referring to issues that you consider to be done and dusted. If you are not happy with our writings then perhaps you would start a Kilkenny forum.
Anyway I am just going to make a final comment and it's about 2024. That should please you Cockley. For next year I think our biggest concern is our back 6. I know the 2 Recks will be free from injury then. ( hopefully ) but I think we need to get our corner backs and the numbers 5 and 7 sorted.
We were cut open far too much during the league and championship. We simply can't be leaking goals at the rate we did this season. Get our defence in order and things will be a lot brighter in 2024." Think Carty played well in the halfback line. Conor Foley with a bit more experience and composure will be good there also . Both need to bulk up a little and play more games though. For example Carty didn't play against Galway or Clare in the League despite playing well in the Walsh Cup. He played against Westmeath, Cork and Limerick. Then he didn't play again until he came on as a sub for the last 15 minutes against Dublin. Cian Molloy would give us another option there if he could be persuaded to commit, and Carley, Dundon and Murphy off the u20s are all overage for u20 next year also. Cullen would be a big option if he could be persuaded to commit also. Other lads to look at if they do well over the next few months would include Kyle Scallan, and Conor Firman for the fullback line.
Our defensive set up was all wrong against Westmeath. The last goal they scored came from a free out the field and we had noone on the line defending it. There's an excellent photo in the People Paper showing Matthew jumping with Niall Mitchell with only Lawlor and Devitt behind him.
As regards the fullback line Ryan looked injured for most of the championship after missing most of the League. Matthew didn't look fully fit until the Kilkenny game after getting injured against Cork. Both suffered unlucky injuries that weren't due to bad preparation it has to be said. Dooley played very well this year in general although Shane didn't have as good a year as last year. Match ups didn't look the best either, with Dublins goal from Considine maybe preventable had Matthew been on him. And Shane mightve been better suited to doing a man marking job on Burke. Conor Devitt was a little inconsistent also. AJ would be a good option for the future, as would Clarke and Murphy. All 3 would need to spend the winter in the gym though. Hopefully all of the above will commit next year
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I don't think we're that far off.
2 leinster finals6in the last 6 years.
1 win an unlucky in all Ireland semi final.
A couple of league semi finals.
Were generally an all Ireland quarter final team in that period.
Bar this year being a total disaster.
Some of that is down to injuries, luck and a bit of a lack of guts.
We do need to learn the lessons from this year though.
We've found a few new players, and need to find a few more.
Every game is important next year.
That Kilkenny win will have done something for the overall mindset but we can't forget Dublin and Westmeath in particular. We should be preparing for a leinster final now so must ask ourselves why we've left so much behind us in games we dominated the majority of.
For me it's just an attitude problem. The approach was all wrong.
Another poster used the phrase "didn't lay a glove on Galway"
We were well in that game. There was a 10 minute period early in the second half where we allowed Galway 9 scores on the trot which was the winning margin.
An easy fix with some minor tweaks.
Looking forward to the club now. Hopefully the fringe players will take another step up." I made that remark about the Galway game, we got a dream start up 2-0 0-1 after 5 mins or so but were outscored 0-23 0-12 for the remainder and very much played 2nd fiddle, we were hit by injuries as I mentioned previously, we could have got a lifeline with the penalty but that's all hypothetical unfortunately.
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I sometimes wonder about Wexford people. I think the whole year was an annus horribilis from start to finish and last Sunday for all its greatness for those who were there papered over that this was a terrible year for Wexford.
The league was a complete non-entity for Wexford this year, and I for one won't be parting with €18 for any league match next year.
It was sold on here and elsewhere as about developing players yet only Conor Foley made the grade at the end of it all?
The match v Galway was a 6 point head start for Wexford yet they held up the white flag from there, and not on the score board. It felt like another damage limitation exercise.
The Dublin result Wexford got a deserved loss and yet with better moves on the line could have won.
Antrim, fell over the line from what I heard.
Westmeath......no lesson learned in 12 months on or off the field about taking a team or game for granted.
Kilkenny was a great day but again a ball away from playing Joe McDonagh hurling. I watched the Kilkenny match on the YouTube link and some really good Wexford scores were got off pressuring the puck out and/or getting fast ball in to forwards moving in to space. Why did it take until Sunday to do this?
And still people are talking about this management team back next year? To me, the Kilkenny win was players standing up to be counted and throwing off the shackles but again why were the shackles on so much? What was the game plan all year? The tactics and personnel selection were very very suspect all year for me and from what I heard from a well known gael Wexford would be still in the championship had he gone to the bench quicker v Westmeath and got experience and fresh bodies on much quicker and hauled some more ashore v Dublin.
I am missing something I can only assume but to me, the regression in Wexford this year has been alarming and I can't for the life of me understand why people are wanting the same again next year.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I sometimes wonder about Wexford people. I think the whole year was an annus horribilis from start to finish and last Sunday for all its greatness for those who were there papered over that this was a terrible year for Wexford.
The league was a complete non-entity for Wexford this year, and I for one won't be parting with €18 for any league match next year.
It was sold on here and elsewhere as about developing players yet only Conor Foley made the grade at the end of it all?
The match v Galway was a 6 point head start for Wexford yet they held up the white flag from there, and not on the score board. It felt like another damage limitation exercise.
The Dublin result Wexford got a deserved loss and yet with better moves on the line could have won.
Antrim, fell over the line from what I heard.
Westmeath......no lesson learned in 12 months on or off the field about taking a team or game for granted.
Kilkenny was a great day but again a ball away from playing Joe McDonagh hurling. I watched the Kilkenny match on the YouTube link and some really good Wexford scores were got off pressuring the puck out and/or getting fast ball in to forwards moving in to space. Why did it take until Sunday to do this?
And still people are talking about this management team back next year? To me, the Kilkenny win was players standing up to be counted and throwing off the shackles but again why were the shackles on so much? What was the game plan all year? The tactics and personnel selection were very very suspect all year for me and from what I heard from a well known gael Wexford would be still in the championship had he gone to the bench quicker v Westmeath and got experience and fresh bodies on much quicker and hauled some more ashore v Dublin.
I am missing something I can only assume but to me, the regression in Wexford this year has been alarming and I can't for the life of me understand why people are wanting the same again next year." As usual you speak lots of sense. I think the hurling league is a joke, not just for Wexford, the new intercounty calendar has pretty much totally undermined it IMO.
I struggle to see how the management team can remain in place for many of the reasons you outline. I'm not a knee jerk reaction guy, I also understand the manager can't take shots etc on the pitch and once players cross that white line it's up to them to perform BUT the manager selects the team, the tactics, sets the expectations, they are responsible ultimately.
Having said all of this I'm equivocal to the question of the management for 2024. I would if I were in the hot seat want to hear from the management about the year that's gone and how they account for everything that went on. I'm a fan of continuity in management as it seems to me that chopping and changing is counter productive, we also have to know what are the options, if we cut Egan who replaces him, is there a credible expectation that it will be better?
A fear for me would be that if Egan remains and we suffer any set backs in 2024 we are right back into crisis and all the toxicity this would bring.
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I struggle to see how the management team can remain in place for many of the reasons you outline. I'm not a knee jerk reaction guy, I also understand the manager can't take shots etc on the pitch and once players cross that white line it's up to them to perform BUT the manager selects the team, the tactics, sets the expectations, they are responsible ultimately.
Having said all of this I'm equivocal to the question of the management for 2024. I would if I were in the hot seat want to hear from the management about the year that's gone and how they account for everything that went on. I'm a fan of continuity in management as it seems to me that chopping and changing is counter productive, we also have to know what are the options, if we cut Egan who replaces him, is there a credible expectation that it will be better?
A fear for me would be that if Egan remains and we suffer any set backs in 2024 we are right back into crisis and all the toxicity this would bring." Good post. I wonder how that toxic attitude crept in. Was it the Clare game I wonder?
The season started so well with the Kilkenny game under lights but it zapped so quickly and yet most genuine fans know that we were crucified by injuries in the league with as many as eight of our best players missing some days.
I have to say I don't remember the atmosphere being so bad leading into championship even when we were low on expectations. I remember reading an article by Vincent Hogan the morning of the Galway game about negativity around the county and being surprised by it. Then Damien and Lee pulled out in the warm up and there was a feeling that we were cursed.
I think losing the 20s final was a real pity as it would have given a much needed boost. I also think we would have given Cork a better game funnily enough as we would have dealt with their physicaality better.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I sometimes wonder about Wexford people. I think the whole year was an annus horribilis from start to finish and last Sunday for all its greatness for those who were there papered over that this was a terrible year for Wexford.
The league was a complete non-entity for Wexford this year, and I for one won't be parting with €18 for any league match next year.
It was sold on here and elsewhere as about developing players yet only Conor Foley made the grade at the end of it all?
The match v Galway was a 6 point head start for Wexford yet they held up the white flag from there, and not on the score board. It felt like another damage limitation exercise.
The Dublin result Wexford got a deserved loss and yet with better moves on the line could have won.
Antrim, fell over the line from what I heard.
Westmeath......no lesson learned in 12 months on or off the field about taking a team or game for granted.
Kilkenny was a great day but again a ball away from playing Joe McDonagh hurling. I watched the Kilkenny match on the YouTube link and some really good Wexford scores were got off pressuring the puck out and/or getting fast ball in to forwards moving in to space. Why did it take until Sunday to do this?
And still people are talking about this management team back next year? To me, the Kilkenny win was players standing up to be counted and throwing off the shackles but again why were the shackles on so much? What was the game plan all year? The tactics and personnel selection were very very suspect all year for me and from what I heard from a well known gael Wexford would be still in the championship had he gone to the bench quicker v Westmeath and got experience and fresh bodies on much quicker and hauled some more ashore v Dublin.
I am missing something I can only assume but to me, the regression in Wexford this year has been alarming and I can't for the life of me understand why people are wanting the same again next year." In terms of new players from the League, James Lawlor, Ian Carty and Conor Foley all came through. I'd say three every year would be a decent turnover of new players.
The grim reality is the rest of the panel bar Oisin Foley and Charlie McGuckin have been there since 2019, with the spine of the team making their debut under Liam Dunne a decade ago. Davy Mourinho'd the panel for five seasons, so we now have a team growing old together.
I would be hopeful they'll all come back next year, but injuries are a reality for older players, so we need to deepen the panel further.
For that reason, having management in place for the club championship is vital.
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