Bannerman, I think that you have to stick your neck out and say whats what sometimes, moral authority is a debate that these idiots would get off the hook with.

I think it is sensible to conclude that if a group of drunks who are shouting abuse and profanities in front of children and people who have paid big money to travel and attend a game in croke park, are in the wrong.

Naming and shaming is one way of putting it. Another way would be to send evidence to the guards who would then be able to press with charges in the same manner as getting a fine in the post.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3852 - 26/08/2013 21:26:46    1468923

26/08/2013 21:08:31
Killarney.87
I'm not against alcohol, I'm against alcohol sponsorship because it glamourises drinking and worse still links it to sport. I'm not comfortable with the two being interlinked just like subway or McDonalds want to target this area. I enjoy a drink but I've enjoyed plenty of matches without needing a pint. I think hurling is too fast moving to enjoy half cut or drunk.
Alcohol being linked to sport is not that bad. Alcohol sponsorship does not glamourize drinking.
That is all your opinion plenty of people want to drink during games and enjoy games more while drinking as the whole day of the game is a social day out and this is serious fans as well as those people that members of this site constantly refer to as "bandwagoners"
It is also only your opinion that hurling is a sport that is too fast moving to enjoy while half cut or drunk. Many other people may feel otherwise
26/08/2013 21:23:34
Killarney.87
Ormond of course you are right when you say that the social side of sport is a huge and important part of why we watch and play it. There is nothing wrong with having a drink while watching it, but getting blind drunk and being abusive to opposing fans is not proper behaviour.

Is it an inerrant shyness in Irish people that drives us to binge drinking? Whatever the reason is I'd love to know cos most Irish people I know are good fun and good company sober. I have never stated that abusing other people is right but there is nothing wrong with people getting blind drunk if they want to at a sporting event or elsewhere.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2013 21:36:51    1468941

I go to watch Cliftonville and Celtic quite a bit and have to say the policy towards drunken, abusive behaviour is far more stricter at Solitude and Celtic Park than at most GAA grounds. At the last Linfield game at Solitude last season a very drunk fella was giving a lot of abuse from his seat; he was warned twice and then ejected. I have also seen some fellow Celtic fans ejected for their drunken behaviour and this is where the GAA falls down literally. The antics of some at games through alcohol is horrible and very annoying for many fans especially young families; however to be fair there are as many older drunken yahoos as young ones. Zero tolerance is required now as it is gradually getting worse.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 26/08/2013 21:47:22    1468954

yerra would 'oo shtop now ormondbannerman. you'd give an aspirin a headache at this stage

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1069 - 26/08/2013 21:48:35    1468955

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
there is nothing wrong with people getting blind drunk if they want to at a sporting event or elsewhere.

Alot of people would argue the contrary...

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 26/08/2013 21:57:41    1468969

Ormondbannerman, you write that alcohol sponsorship does not glamourise drinking. With respect, that is nonsense. Why do you think that alcohol companies associate themselves so heavily with sporting events, spending millions in the process? Because they want to implant an image of alcohol as being associated with successful athletes, who are heroes to millions, thereby increasing sales. They are also, by the by, subliminally targeting children, much like the cigarette companies used to do with the likes of chocolate cigarettes and cartoon characters on their packets.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 27/08/2013 08:42:32    1468989

"there is nothing wrong with people getting blind drunk if they want to at a sporting event or elsewhere."

Hmm on the upper deck someone blind drunk?

By all means let them get drunk if they want to, GAA can make a fortune with the ticket and the drink. But just don't allow them into the seating or terraced areas.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 27/08/2013 09:12:51    1469013

I cant understand A: how they get into that state and B: how they can afford it, I couldn get into that state if I tired. I personally know of people that got refused entry to the Munster final because they couldn walk in a straight line. I saw kids drinking vodka, now you can blame everything and anything for this but I blame the parents, the off licience system but most of all I blame the Guards because they do SFA to curb anti-social behavoiur, if they put half the effert that they put into catching people without road tax and speeding , we would not be disccusing this.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 27/08/2013 10:34:58    1469073

arock, absolutely. If people are too drunk then refuse them entry. It would be difficult to enforce though.

As regards this thing about alchohol and sport. These poeple are getting drunk because it is a big day out. They will be doing the same for every big day out, so I dont think you can say it is all down to advertising at games. They are doing the same thing at non-sporting events...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 27/08/2013 11:08:13    1469103

27/08/2013 08:42:32
Gleebo
Ormondbannerman, you write that alcohol sponsorship does not glamourise drinking. With respect, that is nonsense. Why do you think that alcohol companies associate themselves so heavily with sporting events, spending millions in the process? Because they want to implant an image of alcohol as being associated with successful athletes, who are heroes to millions, thereby increasing sales. They are also, by the by, subliminally targeting children, much like the cigarette companies used to do with the likes of chocolate cigarettes and cartoon characters on their packets.
It doesn't glamourize drinking. The alcohol companies like all companies associate with sporting events because of the large amount of people that follow sport. Yes They want to associate alcohol with success but all sponsoring and advertising does that. Look at ads for fast food, chocolate, sweets. A large proportion of ads subliminally target children and others.
27/08/2013 09:12:51
arock
"there is nothing wrong with people getting blind drunk if they want to at a sporting event or elsewhere."
Hmm on the upper deck someone blind drunk?
By all means let them get drunk if they want to, GAA can make a fortune with the ticket and the drink. But just don't allow them into the seating or terraced areas.How would the GAA justify that in court as if somebody with a few drinks taken but not doing anything to upset others was not allowed into their seat they could very easily lose money in a court action.
Who would be the moral authority to say who can and who cannot go to their seats.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2013 11:08:54    1469104

Ive seen drunk people at Rugby and Soccer games and American Football, Hockey games etc.....its nothing new. I do wonder though how some of these young teens barley able to stand get past security into the stadium. The Gardai and stewards seems more pre-occupied taking flag poles of flags or searching for flares etc.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11661 - 27/08/2013 11:18:13    1469109

Gleebo
Ormondbannerman, you write that alcohol sponsorship does not glamourise drinking. With respect, that is nonsense. Why do you think that alcohol companies associate themselves so heavily with sporting events, spending millions in the process? Because they want to implant an image of alcohol as being associated with successful athletes, who are heroes to millions, thereby increasing sales. They are also, by the by, subliminally targeting children, much like the cigarette companies used to do with the likes of chocolate cigarettes and cartoon characters on their packets.
It doesn't glamourize drinking. The alcohol companies like all companies associate with sporting events because of the large amount of people that follow sport. Yes They want to associate alcohol with success but all sponsoring and advertising does that. Look at ads for fast food, chocolate, sweets. A large proportion of ads subliminally target children and others.

Of course it glamourises drinking. Take the Heineken ad for the Champions League, for example. How many top-class professional athletes drink during the season, do you think? Very few, I would say. But the ad depicts a few fellas having scoops of Heineken, before trotting onto a floodlit stadium full of spectators. This is Heineken's attempt to horn in on the success of professional athletes, thereby glamourising alcohol consumption. There's a reason why such ads will only ever depict good-looking, ostensibly professional types and never anyone outside of this bracket.

As for your comparison with chocolate, sweets etc., you're correct, they all do it. But IMO alcohol does more damage to society than those, and must be regulated accordingly.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 27/08/2013 11:26:11    1469117

This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

ritchie
Posts: 8
Cork

Should drunk people be turned away from matches

Good morning all i would like to see the opinions on this subject. Over the years i have seen the number of drunk loud and abusive people at matches increase. They do not seem to be there to watch the match but rather see it as a social occasion where the pubs and drink seem to be more important. In my opinion i find it offensive and annoying to go to a match to support my teams and have on occasion been in a position that i have to deal with a drunken lout spilling vile and sometime racist abuse at amature players who give up so much to provide us with the occasion. I think since this is so much on the increase it is something that the guards stewards and the Gaa need to tackle. There are people taking young children to these events to foster supporters and players for the future and i think its a disgrace that they have to listen to some of the things being said. I expect a good response from the genuine Gaa supporter and a bad response from those partaking in the drunken behavior. I am not against drink and shall have 2/3 pints before the final and probably a pint at half time but i dont see why it is a necessity to start drinking at 10 for a match at 3.30. By all means enjoy your self get in the spirits but i do not wish to find my self in a situation where the patron along side me can only shout abuse or as happened to me in 2009 the person along side me was so drunk he fell aslepp on my shoulder 15 mins into an ALL IRELAND FINAL !!!!!! Look forward to seeing the opinions of the hogan stand members p.s im 37 so im not old enough to start saying i remember when !!!! But i love my gaa pay enough for it and should be able to watch it with out drunkards spoiling my experience

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2275 - 27/08/2013 12:56:16    1469204

Before every home game at Cliftonville a statement is read out over the tannoy. It says that fans (HOME OR AWAY) are expected to abide by Cliftonville's behaviour policy and that ANYONE engaging in a sectarian, racist or abusive manner will be ejected from the ground. It only takes about 2 mins and works quite well. I think the GAA could do something similar or print something on tickets along the same lines. If fans know there is a zero tolerance policy and see people being ejected they usually abide by the rules. I would also make it clear that anyone suspected of being in an intoxicated state that could be interpreted as dangerous, intimidating or threatening to that person or others will not be allowed into the ground.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 27/08/2013 13:32:31    1469250

27/08/2013 11:18:13
yew_tree
Ive seen drunk people at Rugby and Soccer games and American Football, Hockey games etc.....its nothing new. I do wonder though how some of these young teens barley able to stand get past security into the stadium. The Gardai and stewards seems more pre-occupied taking flag poles of flags or searching for flares etc.
What security do they have to get past? Stewards are not security so to speak.
ritchie
Should drunk people be turned away from matches

Good morning all i would like to see the opinions on this subject. Over the years i have seen the number of drunk loud and abusive people at matches increase. They do not seem to be there to watch the match but rather see it as a social occasion where the pubs and drink seem to be more important. In my opinion i find it offensive and annoying to go to a match to support my teams and have on occasion been in a position that i have to deal with a drunken lout spilling vile and sometime racist abuse at amature players who give up so much to provide us with the occasion. I think since this is so much on the increase it is something that the guards stewards and the Gaa need to tackle. There are people taking young children to these events to foster supporters and players for the future and i think its a disgrace that they have to listen to some of the things being said. I expect a good response from the genuine Gaa supporter and a bad response from those partaking in the drunken behavior. I am not against drink and shall have 2/3 pints before the final and probably a pint at half time but i dont see why it is a necessity to start drinking at 10 for a match at 3.30. By all means enjoy your self get in the spirits but i do not wish to find my self in a situation where the patron along side me can only shout abuse or as happened to me in 2009 the person along side me was so drunk he fell aslepp on my shoulder 15 mins into an ALL IRELAND FINAL !!!!!! Look forward to seeing the opinions of the hogan stand members p.s im 37 so im not old enough to start saying i remember when !!!! But i love my gaa pay enough for it and should be able to watch it with out drunkards spoiling my experienceThat is your opinion that people shouldn't drink from 10 for a match at 3.30.If I want to do that I should be allowed to even if you dislike that I want to. You cannot knock me or look down at me because I want to drink in that fashion.
I am not stating that abusive behaviour is ok but stopping alcohol from being sold is not the answer

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2013 14:33:56    1469318

But nobody is advocating 'dry' gaa matches, Ormondbannerman. What most are saying here is that fans who get intoxicated to the point where they are a danger to themselves and others shouldn't be let in to a match. You're creating a straw man to get away from the main point of the thread.

Anyone can drink 20 pints before a match if they choose; the point is that they shouldn't presume to gain admission on the flimsy grounds of personal choice.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 27/08/2013 15:09:03    1469353

admin finds it annoying that he cant delete real life people from the stands!

I hear you though. There's a balance between getting into it with your mates over a few pre game pints and turning up messy. Messy being when it impinges on others enjoyment

emmomac (UK) - Posts: 273 - 27/08/2013 15:14:01    1469363

26/08/2013 21:26:46
Donegalman
Bannerman, I think that you have to stick your neck out and say whats what sometimes, moral authority is a debate that these idiots would get off the hook with.

I think it is sensible to conclude that if a group of drunks who are shouting abuse and profanities in front of children and people who have paid big money to travel and attend a game in croke park, are in the wrong.

Naming and shaming is one way of putting it. Another way would be to send evidence to the guards who would then be able to press with charges in the same manner as getting a fine in the post
what use honestly would naming and shaming do?
You would be getting into similar scenarios to a certain girl at a concert on twitter if you begin to name and shame people and what would be the benefit of that?
I have never said once that group of people shouting abuse is right.

27/08/2013 15:09:03
Gleebo
But nobody is advocating 'dry' gaa matches, Ormondbannerman. What most are saying here is that fans who get intoxicated to the point where they are a danger to themselves and others shouldn't be let in to a match. You're creating a straw man to get away from the main point of the thread.

Anyone can drink 20 pints before a match if they choose; the point is that they shouldn't presume to gain admission on the flimsy grounds of personal choice
If I want to drink 20 pints before a match that is my choice. There is no proof that because I have drank this amount that I will physically abuse players/fellow supporters. the abuse is as likely to come from dry sober supporters as a drunk supporter. If I drink quite a few pints prior to a game there s no way of proving I am likely to offend other spectators by my actions unless you want to create some method by which people who attend games are id'd and their actions at previous games are looked upon and who wants that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2013 15:28:01    1469389

the abuse is as likely to come from dry sober supporters as a drunk supporter

the above sentence is not true

emmomac (UK) - Posts: 273 - 27/08/2013 15:43:41    1469406

Gleebo
But nobody is advocating 'dry' gaa matches, Ormondbannerman. What most are saying here is that fans who get intoxicated to the point where they are a danger to themselves and others shouldn't be let in to a match. You're creating a straw man to get away from the main point of the thread.

Anyone can drink 20 pints before a match if they choose; the point is that they shouldn't presume to gain admission on the flimsy grounds of personal choice
If I want to drink 20 pints before a match that is my choice. There is no proof that because I have drank this amount that I will physically abuse players/fellow supporters. the abuse is as likely to come from dry sober supporters as a drunk supporter. If I drink quite a few pints prior to a game there s no way of proving I am likely to offend other spectators by my actions unless you want to create some method by which people who attend games are id'd and their actions at previous games are looked upon and who wants that?

This is my last post on this matter, because your opinions are obviously entrenched. If you have 20 pints before a match, then your demeanour and actions should dictate whether you get in or not. The statement that drunken fans are less likely to give abuse flies in the face of common sense, but believe it if you like.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 27/08/2013 16:44:32    1469471