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Replying To Viking66: "Arlene Foster?! Thats pretty low!!!!!" It was!
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 340 - 18/05/2026 15:55:45
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "Re Tipp - Donal Og was right. They fall as fast as they rise. There will be serious questions asked down there, as bar the first half v Waterford, they have looked very ordinary indeed" Donal Og talks so much and makes so many pronouncements that he's bound to get something right sometime. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 633 - 18/05/2026 16:00:12
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Replying To Gillo: "On a separate note can an umpire inform the referee on a dropped hurley pass as in Limerick v Waterford yesterday or are they just there as ornaments to flag scores and wides." Only when asked by the referee.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 18/05/2026 18:50:29
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Only when asked by the referee." A common misconception, but not actually true. The Rule Book states, under "Duties of score umpires":
The Score Umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play in particular, rough or dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or unauthorised incursions onto the field of play or other infraction of Rule by a team official, which have not been noticed by the Referee.
No mention of them having to be first asked by the referee if there was any foul play of any kind.
In essence, telling the referee that agoal should have been disallowed due to a dropped hurl would be no different to telling him that a goal should be disallowed due to a square ball infringement.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3644 - 18/05/2026 20:10:04
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Replying To Pikeman96: "A common misconception, but not actually true. The Rule Book states, under "Duties of score umpires":
The Score Umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play in particular, rough or dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or unauthorised incursions onto the field of play or other infraction of Rule by a team official, which have not been noticed by the Referee.
No mention of them having to be first asked by the referee if there was any foul play of any kind.
In essence, telling the referee that agoal should have been disallowed due to a dropped hurl would be no different to telling him that a goal should be disallowed due to a square ball infringement." Slight correction. Foul play doesn't include technical fouls. so the umpire can't bring non personal fouls to the referee's attention.
midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 18/05/2026 20:46:26
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Replying To Viking66: "I blame our defeats on not being good enough to win. And I personally dont have a problem with Galway playing in our Championship.
What I do have a problem with is posters who are like the hungry neighbour you invite round for dinner, who then starts complaining about the food.
As regards Galway being in Leinster there are legitimate arguments put to me by friends about how its been holding Wexford hurling back the last 10 years. As a county a far higher proportion of our hurling population, adult and underage, play football and soccer at a comparable level to the level they hurl at than is the case in any other hurling county. Including the middle tier hurling counties. Whenever we win a Leinster title, there's a noticeable uptick in numbers pucking a ball around, especially in urban areas, towns and villages. In the last 10 years we might have won 3 or 4 more Leinster titles if you hadn't been in Leinster, including a 3 in a row between 2017 and 2019. We would probably have made the 2020 final also. That wouldve been massive for raising hurlings profile down here, and would have encouraged more young lads to take up hurling, more to stay at it, and more parents to get involved in coaching also. With obvious benefits to hurling in the county, at club and county level, on and off the field of play.
The worst thing about it is your lads winning a Leinster title at any level doesn't give the sport any kind of boost up your way, as you arent even from Leinster. It means nothing other than a stepping stone." Not alone complaining about the food, but sometimes 'not showing up' at all, according to popular trope/cliche.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4721 - 18/05/2026 22:56:44
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@midfield9 - Maybe have a look at the Playing Rules of Hurling in Part 2 of the Rule Book. This year's version of the Book is here:
https://www.gaa.ie/api/images/image/upload/t_q-best/prd/xi4oyuttzqpaqr2vfhbn.pdf
Specifically, look first at the simple diagram on page 24 of the PDF. Technical fouls are one of the three categories of foul play listed there. It's therefore clearly incorrect to claim that "foul play doesn't include technical fouls".
Now have a look at Rule 4, starting on page 31. It's the one that lists technical fouls.
4.10 is "For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle before the ball enters it during the play", save for a couple of permitted exceptions. It's clearly a duty of the umpire to bring this technical foul to the attention of the referee.
Other technical fouls which you'd expect an umpire to bring to the referee's intention include:
4.12 For a player attacking a goal to carry the ball over opponents' goal-line.
4.13 For a player on the team attacking a goal, who is in possession of the ball, to score with the hand(s).
Now look back up to 4.8, which says: "To drop the hurley intentionally, or to throw the hurley in a manner which does not constitute a danger to another player".
If an umpire can call the referee's attention to technical foul 4.10 or 4.12 or 4.13, why can't he inform the referee of technical foul 4.8?
TLDR - a square ball offence is a technical foul. Are you saying an umpire can't inform the referee of a square ball, because it's not a personal foul?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3644 - 18/05/2026 23:34:54
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Ah isn't it terrible. 19th of May and already the teams that don't play well enough are gone from the All Ireland! There's something grossly unfair about it all. I mean how can we grow the game of hurling in these counties when they won't puck another ball as a group until December (tongue in cheek as I don't know any top tier county that don't break the training ban)? In these counties where the vast majority of their games are televised in one way or another. I mean how can we help them?
I feel bad for Waterford, they're not a bad team. Stephen Bennett & Billy Nolan in particular were exeptional. And they can be very entertaining to watch. But I feel far worse for Kildare... Pushing a boulder up a hill to get themselves to the top table, And performing well when they were there. Only to be faced with Joe McDonagh again next year. Player retention at that mid level is such a struggle and keeping guys around next year is the next challenge facing Brian Dowling. Waterford, however, don't have that problem. They're disappointed yes. But can recovery and rest assured of their place in the Liam McCarthy again in 2027. They didn't get it all their own way in Div 2B last year. So is the gap between Waterford and Joe Mc that big? It's getting smaller all the time in my opinion.
There needs to be some sort of punishment for finishing last in your province. Kerry aren't up to winning the Joe Mc just yet. So maybe give Kildare their extra year up. Promote the Joe Mc winners. And let Galway over to Munster, it's closer to home anyway! And if Waterford win the Joe Mc they can earn the right to play Liam McCarthy rather than their god given right at the moment!
sportingplay (Kilkenny) - Posts: 16 - 19/05/2026 09:06:05
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Replying To Pikeman96: "A common misconception, but not actually true. The Rule Book states, under "Duties of score umpires":
The Score Umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play in particular, rough or dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or unauthorised incursions onto the field of play or other infraction of Rule by a team official, which have not been noticed by the Referee.
No mention of them having to be first asked by the referee if there was any foul play of any kind.
In essence, telling the referee that agoal should have been disallowed due to a dropped hurl would be no different to telling him that a goal should be disallowed due to a square ball infringement." As someone who has been an umpire for a ref and previously a ref myself the instructions given are clear. Only get involved in general/foul play infringements when asked by the referee. If there is a square ball type issue dont raise the flag, wait for ref to come in, inform him of your opinion and await his instruction. Thats how they want it done. Umpires are not, generally, qualified referees. They are 4 family members/friends who work with the ref and get minimal training. The association dont want them making big calls like that.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 19/05/2026 09:10:38
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@Tadhg2020 - long story short is you're talking about the convention, while I'm talking about the Rule.
The original question was "can an umpire inform the referee of a dropped hurley pass", and under Rule, yes he can.
If there's a square ball offence leading to a goal, he's expected to not raise the flag, wait for the referee to ask why, and inform him of what he's seen.
Similarly, if there's a drop the stick offence, he's equally entitled to not raise the flag, wait for the referee to ask why, and again inform him of what he's seen.
Yes, it would be a major incident for an umpire to be involved in, but I see nothing in Rule to prevent it happening. If you do, please tell me what I'm missing.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3644 - 19/05/2026 10:54:09
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Replying To Tadhg2020: " Replying To Pikeman96: "A common misconception, but not actually true. The Rule Book states, under "Duties of score umpires":
<i>The Score Umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play in particular, rough or dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or unauthorised incursions onto the field of play or other infraction of Rule by a team official, which have not been noticed by the Referee.</i>
No mention of them having to be first asked by the referee if there was any foul play of any kind.
In essence, telling the referee that agoal should have been disallowed due to a dropped hurl would be no different to telling him that a goal should be disallowed due to a square ball infringement."</div>As someone who has been an umpire for a ref and previously a ref myself the instructions given are clear. Only get involved in general/foul play infringements when asked by the referee. If there is a square ball type issue dont raise the flag, wait for ref to come in, inform him of your opinion and await his instruction. Thats how they want it done. Umpires are not, generally, qualified referees. They are 4 family members/friends who work with the ref and get minimal training. The association dont want them making big calls like that." 'The association don't want them making big calls like that' John Meyler is currently heading up a team looking at how to improve the game of hurling and what tweaks can be made to ensure refs are getting the calls spot-on. I'm led to believe that umpires and their remit is being reviewed with the possibility that they may, in the future, be able to make these calls and inform the referee without any prompting.
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 545 - 19/05/2026 11:01:53
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Replying To sportingplay: "Ah isn't it terrible. 19th of May and already the teams that don't play well enough are gone from the All Ireland! There's something grossly unfair about it all. I mean how can we grow the game of hurling in these counties when they won't puck another ball as a group until December (tongue in cheek as I don't know any top tier county that don't break the training ban)? In these counties where the vast majority of their games are televised in one way or another. I mean how can we help them?
I feel bad for Waterford, they're not a bad team. Stephen Bennett & Billy Nolan in particular were exeptional. And they can be very entertaining to watch. But I feel far worse for Kildare... Pushing a boulder up a hill to get themselves to the top table, And performing well when they were there. Only to be faced with Joe McDonagh again next year. Player retention at that mid level is such a struggle and keeping guys around next year is the next challenge facing Brian Dowling. Waterford, however, don't have that problem. They're disappointed yes. But can recovery and rest assured of their place in the Liam McCarthy again in 2027. They didn't get it all their own way in Div 2B last year. So is the gap between Waterford and Joe Mc that big? It's getting smaller all the time in my opinion.
There needs to be some sort of punishment for finishing last in your province. Kerry aren't up to winning the Joe Mc just yet. So maybe give Kildare their extra year up. Promote the Joe Mc winners. And let Galway over to Munster, it's closer to home anyway! And if Waterford win the Joe Mc they can earn the right to play Liam McCarthy rather than their god given right at the moment!" Kerry have to win the christy ring before thinking about the Joe mc!!
richiepmurphy (Kilkenny) - Posts: 86 - 19/05/2026 11:28:03
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