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Tailteann Cup: Right To Scrap Group Stage?

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Well then it is preferable to call the secondary competition the intermediate all Ireland rather than this teacup nonsense

Of course an intermediate title isn't demeaning"
I think they should structure the County all Ireland like club. Senior, Intermediate and Junior, with promotion and relegation. Some sort of knockout format, with 1st round losers into a relegation series, 1st round winners go on further in the championship.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17750 - 10/12/2025 13:56:30    2647824

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Well then it is preferable to call the secondary competition the intermediate all Ireland rather than this teacup nonsense

Of course an intermediate title isn't demeaning"
So the name of it is your only issue in the case? It's clearly the second level intercounty championship, the same as intermediate club championships are. If it was renamed to the intermediate county championship, you'd be grand with it then, I'm assuming.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2661 - 10/12/2025 14:08:52    2647828

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Door isn't closed on any county, if you happen to be a div 3,4 team you can compete in the Sam Maguire cup by reaching your provincial final and you can also get to compete in it by winning the "demaning Trophy" so hardly meaningless more super."
I didn't say it was demaning, I said it was demeaning.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 159 - 10/12/2025 14:26:23    2647831

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Exactly, let the beaten teams play in an all Ireland qualifier and if they lose that also let them go into another competition...if they wish"
And as I've already pointed out, there are three different things they can already consider as "All-Ireland qualifiers", since if they do well enough in them, they'll qualify for the All-Ireland series.

You want to add a fourth route as well. Why not give them a fifth, sixth, seventh, etc., in case they end up needing them too?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3304 - 10/12/2025 15:10:38    2647843

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "I didn't say it was demaning, I said it was demeaning."
Thanks for correcting my typo. So it wouldn't be demeaning if the Tailteann cup was called the Intermediate All-Ireland instead?

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3794 - 10/12/2025 18:39:41    2647878

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "And as I've already pointed out, there are three different things they can already consider as "All-Ireland qualifiers", since if they do well enough in them, they'll qualify for the All-Ireland series.

You want to add a fourth route as well. Why not give them a fifth, sixth, seventh, etc., in case they end up needing them too?"
No I just want it to go back to the original qualifier set up. Adding all those routes you mentioned is just a bit childish really

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 159 - 10/12/2025 18:56:11    2647879

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "But where has that gotten us?
2010: Wexford 4-22 - 0-9 London
2010: Cork 1-19 - 0-4 Cavan
2013: Offaly 0-08 - 1-27 Tyrone
2013: Armagh 2-21 - 0-02 Wicklow
2013: Armagh 8-13 - 0-10 Leitrim
2014; Down 4-18 - 0-09 Leitrim
2015: Tipperary 3-21 - 0-07 Louth
2018: Waterford 0-09 - 5-21 Monaghan

And that's just in the qualifiers. None of those results are from the provincial championships, which contained {and still contain) more of the same."
What about Sligo and Limerick who had good seasons in back door championship? What about Fermanagh, Tipperary, Wexford reaching All Ireland semi finals in the same format? The current Small ireland and Tailteann championships only increase the gulf in standards between Division 1 and 2 counties and Division 3 and 4 counties. Top counties improve playing against higher standard counties. So called weaker counties standards get lower playing against weaker standard counties. I wasn't a fan of the back door before it started but, with it and previous league formats, some so called weaker counties had a chance to test themselves against higher standard counties. Some were anihiliated and then faded away and some took lessons onboard and improved. But they had a system that at least gave them a chace to improve. I, cynically, don't believe the current sytem allows them to improve. It, with round robin games that aren't needed, is to keep the stronger counties strong, to boost attendances and TV revenue. It shouldn't be called an All Ireland Championship.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8387 - 10/12/2025 19:06:16    2647881

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