Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Kieran's about annihilating Kilkenny CBS

Would guess Good Counsel didn't show up the last day but they might have been second best in Leinster this year, it's just that Kieran's are miles ahead of everyone else at Senior"

Replying To tearintom:  "Good post that, its pretty much it really.

Clubs have to do more or maybe the reality is that we are where we are for 60 odd years because thats in reality the level we are at for the interest that is there.

You go around clubs and its for the most part the same families, the same surnames making up teams etc.

This all starts at home, this all comes from the families, then its the clubs and then the county yet we obsess with county as the be all and end all.

Interestingly I was talking to a high ranking county board official recently and shooting the breeze and some of the stuff he said was interesting.

Definitely a frustration with clubs and county board annoyed with work or lack of it a lot of clubs are putting in, clubs not even responding to requests for trials etc and sending no one for example and secondly the feedback from underage from parents and clubs was fhere are far too many games and its something to be looked at. Thats something I believed myself the obsessions with games as if more games solves everything, our hAC club championships for the last 2 years fkr example, just more games.

I queried the level of coaching with them but he made a valid point that when coaching courses and training options are out on thyere attended sparsely, sometimes struggling to put together enough so what can fhey do?

Funnily enough he would be a hurling man to the bone but remarked that the football courses are being well attended and put it down to the new football rules, in that its made the game better to watch and play but also peaked an interest from coaches about how best to implement new rules etc. It's fresh, it's new.

We also spoke about the whole mythology, hes said hes sick of it, we as hurling people do more damage to our game than we know. All this stuff about you need to be born into it, need to be able to do this by age 6 or that by age 10, it just puts kids and parents off. Its a valid point, all this way of life shtick.

We need to get back to it being a game, a game anyone can play nkt a cultural definition and examination of your dna. You get the kids and parents involved first and everything moves from there, do that by simplifying the message not mythicizing it."

Replying To ElGranSenor:  "But this is nothing new, underage results have been similar for a long time now, it's not as if they are considerably worse in recent times than what they were in the past

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that coming 4th or 5th in an U14-U16 tournament is something that should be celebrated as an achievement"

Replying To Goreylad1985:  "A quick look at the Corn Uí Dhuill roll of honor will answer that one for you.
But again you have those on this forum who like to harp on about a Wexford school beating KK CBS in a group game!! Or beating Cork in a preliminary quarter final, and finishing 4th or 5th in an u15 tournament.
It's about winning titles nothing else.
And Wexford are currently so far away from winning titles at ALL levels it's frightening.

We are 100/1 to win the All Ireland this year!! Out of 11 teams!!
If it was a horse race would you even class us as an also-ran?? It's embarrassing"