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Just on this line you wrote about Offaly:
Swallowed their pride by dropping out of the Liam McCarthy in doing so. We'd whinge and complain should the same fate befall us.
You make it sound almost as though they chose to drop out. It was anything but.
And don't fool yourself that there was no whinging or complaining there either. And it was worse when they dropped again, to the Christy Ring.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3583 - 10/05/2026 17:58:15
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I think our biggest issue right now is the amount of negativity in the county, we have a mental block across nearly all of our hurling teams and negativity isn't going to help our lack of belief
I don't think anyone is suggesting that everything is fine and dandy at underage, schools, and club level; I'd say most others would agree with me in saying that we have major improvements to make at all three levels if we are to have any realistic ambitions of winning multiple AIs at Senior level
I think there's a need to enforce accountability and to set very high standards; we need to best-in-class everywhere and we have a lot of catching up to do, others are always look in to innovate too so we have to (a) catch up with them, (b) match them as they seek to innovate, and (c) surpass them. Regardless of whether underage results are good or bad, the goal should always be to be best-in-class at all levels and to never let our standards slip.
I don't think anyone is happy with our results in recent years and as I said before, I think even the most positive among us feel that we have to step up our game in a big way. There has been criticism that we are brushing our problems under the rug but I don't think this is the case, I think everyone is fairly aware of where we currently stand
I'm not even sure this is the worst Wexford team in my lifetime, you have to remember that we won 4 of our 6 AIs between 1955 and 1968 so outside of that time period, we have really won very little. Granted, other Wexford teams were closer to success than this team but things can change quickly and as poor as yesterday was, we handed them 1-03 and kept on hitting the same type of wide yesterday, would've been right in the game otherwise and that's even when we hurled very poorly
As much as our underage results can be better, Dublin's have been broadly the same and while Offaly had one great U20 team, the form of their previous and subsequent Minor/U20 teams is miles off even our form which a lot of people do not think is good. Even with Kildare, our underage form is miles better than theirs but that hasn't stopped their Senior team from emptying themselves day in, day out no matter how limited people think they are
We had an U20 team a few years ago that I think left an AI tile behind them in 2022 and the 2023 side ran a very good Offaly side very close. This is not to say we have a golden generation because some think the quality of those teams isn't great but I wouldn't be so quick to write them off, just look at what the footballers are doing right now, no-one could've imagine that they're doing what they're doing right now barring themselves, no point setting limits for yourself as you'll go no further than the self-imposed limit
Keep on telling everyone that we have no good hurlers and the hurlers will themselves start to believe that we have no good hurlers. If we just persist with the players we have and get them to empty the tank, this group is capable of a lot better than what they're showing right now, I don't know how much better but I know better than the three fairly limp performances they've put in so far
Accountability and high standards are necessary for success but so too is belief. You won't win anything if you don't believe in yourself and at the end of the day, I don't see much differed between being realistic and losing on the one hand and the being delusional and losing on the other hand, you end up losing either way ultimately and that's the most important thing
Pat Bennett once spoke of how he played on some fairly unsuccessful Waterford teams and how back in 1983, they made it to the Munster Final against Cork and would've been massive underdogs going into the game. He said that he managed to genuinely convince himself that they could/would win the game although they ultimately got thumped. The fact they lost isn't that important though, his point was that you have to believe in yourself no matter what. Just because you believe doesn't mean you'll win but if you don't believe, you definitely won't win
I think we (a) need to do our living best to improve everything and to ensure we have best-in-class performance everywhere, no let-up on that front but also that (b) we need to be positive.
Developing players for Senior is more important than winning at underage level (Although successful development should help winning big time) but I feel such is the mental block in the county at the moment that we need one team to win an AI to break down these mental barriers
The more negative we are, the more this feeds through to players of all ages and it's not going to make them hurl any better. We need to stop focusing on player's limitations and not giving them the chance to grow and develop, development paths are not the same from player to player and growth mindsets are much more conducive to success than fixed mindsets
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1178 - 10/05/2026 19:17:29
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: "Calling it as it is, is not negativity. Commenting on the reality of results is not negativity. Observing our style of play and lack of a game plan is not negativity.
I think negativity is going through the squad as witnessed with those who did not commit this year.
I don't see any glimpses of many of the younger players that show me they will be big players in the future for us. One or 2 maybe.
It's not negativity commenting when players take 3 attempts to rise the ball. Or send a hand pass 4 yards and towards the ground.
The players have to take accountability.
Management need to take accountability of tactics.
We were sending balls into forwards as 50 50 balls yesterday.
Don't see us beating Offaly or Galway.
What I think might happen is we pull one last game performance out of us. Like the last few years.
Most will then be back on the bandwagon for next year. Wise up lads. We going backwards fast. So so far away from the top table.
Realise this and you will never be disappointed" This is what Forums are for YellowHelmet…Afterall We are in a crisis now. There is way too much waffle and talking bout young lads and nearly teams. It's all adding to the problem, kicking the can down the road and be careful not to call out anyone. Thankfully the PC world is coming to an end & we can call BS even if it's only an opinion. This ain't personal, we all want the best for Wexford Hurling. What we seen yesterday was muck or what Pat Spillane called Tyrone as Puke Football, yesterday was Puke hurling. But I am convinced we are not as bad as we were against KK & Dub. Tactics were bizarre, our Touch was terrible, Confidence is on the floor. How many scores did Dublin get from turnovers? Short Puckouts and short passes in crowded areas? Every game under current management is the same. The crowd were telling Fanning to drive it long, Why? We were coughing up way too many scores. Even in 2nd half with the wind. I don't blame young Carley or Fanning they have been told to do it, Where and When has this worked??? We taken the ball into contact and get turnover in our full and half back line. Ball should be 70 yards up the field and into space rather than to crowded areas. Use Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley,Cian Byrne, James Byrne, give them an honest chance of winning possessions with a bit of space around. At least it ain't in our full back line where we are being buried. I wonder where is Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan?? Both players are good enough.That Chap from Rathnure name eludes me at the moment,a very tidy corner back. Felt sorry for Darragh Carley TBH.Big call-out to Liam Ryan, what a warrior. John Hetherton wasn't gonna just walk all over Liam Ryan. Life in that dog still.
Spuds&GAA (Wexford) - Posts: 15 - 10/05/2026 19:18:30
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I think our biggest issue right now is the amount of negativity in the county, we have a mental block across nearly all of our hurling teams and negativity isn't going to help our lack of belief
I don't think anyone is suggesting that everything is fine and dandy at underage, schools, and club level; I'd say most others would agree with me in saying that we have major improvements to make at all three levels if we are to have any realistic ambitions of winning multiple AIs at Senior level
I think there's a need to enforce accountability and to set very high standards; we need to best-in-class everywhere and we have a lot of catching up to do, others are always look in to innovate too so we have to (a) catch up with them, (b) match them as they seek to innovate, and (c) surpass them. Regardless of whether underage results are good or bad, the goal should always be to be best-in-class at all levels and to never let our standards slip.
I don't think anyone is happy with our results in recent years and as I said before, I think even the most positive among us feel that we have to step up our game in a big way. There has been criticism that we are brushing our problems under the rug but I don't think this is the case, I think everyone is fairly aware of where we currently stand
I'm not even sure this is the worst Wexford team in my lifetime, you have to remember that we won 4 of our 6 AIs between 1955 and 1968 so outside of that time period, we have really won very little. Granted, other Wexford teams were closer to success than this team but things can change quickly and as poor as yesterday was, we handed them 1-03 and kept on hitting the same type of wide yesterday, would've been right in the game otherwise and that's even when we hurled very poorly
As much as our underage results can be better, Dublin's have been broadly the same and while Offaly had one great U20 team, the form of their previous and subsequent Minor/U20 teams is miles off even our form which a lot of people do not think is good. Even with Kildare, our underage form is miles better than theirs but that hasn't stopped their Senior team from emptying themselves day in, day out no matter how limited people think they are
We had an U20 team a few years ago that I think left an AI tile behind them in 2022 and the 2023 side ran a very good Offaly side very close. This is not to say we have a golden generation because some think the quality of those teams isn't great but I wouldn't be so quick to write them off, just look at what the footballers are doing right now, no-one could've imagine that they're doing what they're doing right now barring themselves, no point setting limits for yourself as you'll go no further than the self-imposed limit
Keep on telling everyone that we have no good hurlers and the hurlers will themselves start to believe that we have no good hurlers. If we just persist with the players we have and get them to empty the tank, this group is capable of a lot better than what they're showing right now, I don't know how much better but I know better than the three fairly limp performances they've put in so far
Accountability and high standards are necessary for success but so too is belief. You won't win anything if you don't believe in yourself and at the end of the day, I don't see much differed between being realistic and losing on the one hand and the being delusional and losing on the other hand, you end up losing either way ultimately and that's the most important thing
Pat Bennett once spoke of how he played on some fairly unsuccessful Waterford teams and how back in 1983, they made it to the Munster Final against Cork and would've been massive underdogs going into the game. He said that he managed to genuinely convince himself that they could/would win the game although they ultimately got thumped. The fact they lost isn't that important though, his point was that you have to believe in yourself no matter what. Just because you believe doesn't mean you'll win but if you don't believe, you definitely won't win
I think we (a) need to do our living best to improve everything and to ensure we have best-in-class performance everywhere, no let-up on that front but also that (b) we need to be positive.
Developing players for Senior is more important than winning at underage level (Although successful development should help winning big time) but I feel such is the mental block in the county at the moment that we need one team to win an AI to break down these mental barriers
The more negative we are, the more this feeds through to players of all ages and it's not going to make them hurl any better. We need to stop focusing on player's limitations and not giving them the chance to grow and develop, development paths are not the same from player to player and growth mindsets are much more conducive to success than fixed mindsets" Spot on
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19486 - 10/05/2026 20:09:04
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Replying To Spuds&GAA: "This is what Forums are for YellowHelmet…Afterall We are in a crisis now. There is way too much waffle and talking bout young lads and nearly teams. It's all adding to the problem, kicking the can down the road and be careful not to call out anyone. Thankfully the PC world is coming to an end & we can call BS even if it's only an opinion. This ain't personal, we all want the best for Wexford Hurling. What we seen yesterday was muck or what Pat Spillane called Tyrone as Puke Football, yesterday was Puke hurling. But I am convinced we are not as bad as we were against KK & Dub. Tactics were bizarre, our Touch was terrible, Confidence is on the floor. How many scores did Dublin get from turnovers? Short Puckouts and short passes in crowded areas? Every game under current management is the same. The crowd were telling Fanning to drive it long, Why? We were coughing up way too many scores. Even in 2nd half with the wind. I don't blame young Carley or Fanning they have been told to do it, Where and When has this worked??? We taken the ball into contact and get turnover in our full and half back line. Ball should be 70 yards up the field and into space rather than to crowded areas. Use Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley,Cian Byrne, James Byrne, give them an honest chance of winning possessions with a bit of space around. At least it ain't in our full back line where we are being buried. I wonder where is Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan?? Both players are good enough.That Chap from Rathnure name eludes me at the moment,a very tidy corner back. Felt sorry for Darragh Carley TBH.Big call-out to Liam Ryan, what a warrior. John Hetherton wasn't gonna just walk all over Liam Ryan. Life in that dog still." If you drive it long from inside our 45 there wont be any space when it lands.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19486 - 10/05/2026 20:11:32
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As for the underage, it is improving(despite Sunday non show) if Galway were not in Leinster it's quite possible we could be leinster champion's in both minor and under 20 this year. In fairness to Galway they are excellent underage and have always been one of the best in Ireland. The S&C work in the school is making a difference and I know lads who are involved in different under age set up and there are all saying we are now starting to see the benefits of focusing on the one code from under 14 up. Yes there is definitely more work needed and particularly in the national schools where the 365 in flagging slightly and the GPO model is outdated and not fit for purpose in some areas. The combined college is coming back next year and there is other plans afoot. We could be in for a tough night next Wednwsday with the under 20s, as well but that a good under 20 team, with a excellent young keeper amd all the half back line are all potentially senior material and of course there is 2 or 3 of our forwards that could step up in a few years. Our minors have some very good talent as well.
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1216 - 10/05/2026 20:45:19
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If we look at next year. Hopefully noone will step away, I think Chin has another year or two left(but it has to be said he no where near the player this year as he has been for the last number of years), if he wants to commit. Getting Rory back is essential(apparently he not going to hurl with the Martins this year) Barry o Connor, Mac. C Byrne, S Reck back fit, E Ryan, o foley, C Molloy missed nearly all this year as has Philip Dempsey, I sure there is mor but they can all add to the panel. I think if skippy Ruth jas a good year with Rathnure he could be the new man, if we decide to part ways with keith.
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1216 - 10/05/2026 20:51:34
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I think our biggest issue right now is the amount of negativity in the county, we have a mental block across nearly all of our hurling teams and negativity isn't going to help our lack of belief
I don't think anyone is suggesting that everything is fine and dandy at underage, schools, and club level; I'd say most others would agree with me in saying that we have major improvements to make at all three levels if we are to have any realistic ambitions of winning multiple AIs at Senior level
I think there's a need to enforce accountability and to set very high standards; we need to best-in-class everywhere and we have a lot of catching up to do, others are always look in to innovate too so we have to (a) catch up with them, (b) match them as they seek to innovate, and (c) surpass them. Regardless of whether underage results are good or bad, the goal should always be to be best-in-class at all levels and to never let our standards slip.
I don't think anyone is happy with our results in recent years and as I said before, I think even the most positive among us feel that we have to step up our game in a big way. There has been criticism that we are brushing our problems under the rug but I don't think this is the case, I think everyone is fairly aware of where we currently stand
I'm not even sure this is the worst Wexford team in my lifetime, you have to remember that we won 4 of our 6 AIs between 1955 and 1968 so outside of that time period, we have really won very little. Granted, other Wexford teams were closer to success than this team but things can change quickly and as poor as yesterday was, we handed them 1-03 and kept on hitting the same type of wide yesterday, would've been right in the game otherwise and that's even when we hurled very poorly
As much as our underage results can be better, Dublin's have been broadly the same and while Offaly had one great U20 team, the form of their previous and subsequent Minor/U20 teams is miles off even our form which a lot of people do not think is good. Even with Kildare, our underage form is miles better than theirs but that hasn't stopped their Senior team from emptying themselves day in, day out no matter how limited people think they are
We had an U20 team a few years ago that I think left an AI tile behind them in 2022 and the 2023 side ran a very good Offaly side very close. This is not to say we have a golden generation because some think the quality of those teams isn't great but I wouldn't be so quick to write them off, just look at what the footballers are doing right now, no-one could've imagine that they're doing what they're doing right now barring themselves, no point setting limits for yourself as you'll go no further than the self-imposed limit
Keep on telling everyone that we have no good hurlers and the hurlers will themselves start to believe that we have no good hurlers. If we just persist with the players we have and get them to empty the tank, this group is capable of a lot better than what they're showing right now, I don't know how much better but I know better than the three fairly limp performances they've put in so far
Accountability and high standards are necessary for success but so too is belief. You won't win anything if you don't believe in yourself and at the end of the day, I don't see much differed between being realistic and losing on the one hand and the being delusional and losing on the other hand, you end up losing either way ultimately and that's the most important thing
Pat Bennett once spoke of how he played on some fairly unsuccessful Waterford teams and how back in 1983, they made it to the Munster Final against Cork and would've been massive underdogs going into the game. He said that he managed to genuinely convince himself that they could/would win the game although they ultimately got thumped. The fact they lost isn't that important though, his point was that you have to believe in yourself no matter what. Just because you believe doesn't mean you'll win but if you don't believe, you definitely won't win
I think we (a) need to do our living best to improve everything and to ensure we have best-in-class performance everywhere, no let-up on that front but also that (b) we need to be positive.
Developing players for Senior is more important than winning at underage level (Although successful development should help winning big time) but I feel such is the mental block in the county at the moment that we need one team to win an AI to break down these mental barriers
The more negative we are, the more this feeds through to players of all ages and it's not going to make them hurl any better. We need to stop focusing on player's limitations and not giving them the chance to grow and develop, development paths are not the same from player to player and growth mindsets are much more conducive to success than fixed mindsets" 100% correct
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4502 - 10/05/2026 20:54:29
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