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Something will have to be done about these errors. The score error yesterday, Limerick not getting a 65 v Kilkenny in 2019, Cork not getting a 65 in last year's All-Ireland final - this is happening once too often with costly consequences.

CnocÁine (Limerick) - Posts: 10 - 07/07/2025 21:42:19    2624258

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Whatever happens from here this has shown the GAA up to be a joke, for it to happen in Croke Park with hawk eye and all the other eyes there so wide shut that they didn't cop on to the mistake is an absolute farce."
You ever made a mistake?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2252 - 07/07/2025 22:52:01    2624268

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In my opinion there were a number of quick frees taken yesterday by both teams that were played to team members who were within 20 metres and should have been free outs.

Not really picked up on by any of the commentators.

Corner flag (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 07/07/2025 23:26:56    2624271

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Replying To mooncat:  "Anyone I have been talking to dont want a replay,we were beaten on the field,thats it."
I don't think making excuses would be in the Kilkenny mindset at all to be fair.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3820 - 08/07/2025 08:00:54    2624285

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Replying To Corner flag:  "In my opinion there were a number of quick frees taken yesterday by both teams that were played to team members who were within 20 metres and should have been free outs.

Not really picked up on by any of the commentators."
Id say you are great craic on a night out!

Ballyknockill (Limerick) - Posts: 28 - 08/07/2025 08:56:45    2624291

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Replying To mooncat:  "Anyone I have been talking to dont want a replay,we were beaten on the field,thats it."
Yes ye were beaten but the score board blunder most definitely went against ye, not Tipp's doing to be fair.

Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 08/07/2025 10:04:05    2624304

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Replying To CnocÁine:  "Something will have to be done about these errors. The score error yesterday, Limerick not getting a 65 v Kilkenny in 2019, Cork not getting a 65 in last year's All-Ireland final - this is happening once too often with costly consequences."
What will have to be done about them? Refs and players are human and will make mistakes. Of that there is no doubt. They all train and prepare so as to not make mistakes.
The main thing we want to avoid are the major and obvious errors. They are rare enough thankfully, but the scoreboard operator definitely made one on Sunday. A massive error was made in the Leinster Final in 2010 for example. A timekeeping issue or a score not being counted is a major error.
A 65 not being spotted or a quick tug of the jersey not being seen in real time is not a major error, even if it's at a critical time of the game. The incident at the end of Clare-Cork last year was only mentioned because it was the last play of the game. Nobody in commentary even noticed it at the time. None of the Cork players appealed it, as they hadn't noticed. Watching it in real time, it was extremely difficult to spot. That's not a major error. That kind of incident happens multiple times in a game, just like quickly holding an opponent's hurl.
The alternative is robots, but shouting abuse from the sideline at a robot just wouldn't feel the same.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2417 - 08/07/2025 10:40:41    2624321

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Roll on Sunday week in what should be an absolute cracker - the great old Cork v Tipp rivalry is alive and well! two teams that love to score goals and will have a right cut off each other. Tipp owe us one for those beatings earlier in the year, so we'll have to be at our best... Bring it on

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 420 - 08/07/2025 12:10:05    2624345

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Replying To Corner flag:  "In my opinion there were a number of quick frees taken yesterday by both teams that were played to team members who were within 20 metres and should have been free outs.

Not really picked up on by any of the commentators."
10 meters

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 170 - 08/07/2025 12:19:34    2624352

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Replying To Viking66:  "A big mess"
Wouldn't have gone to extra time the ref had the correct score. On the other hand Tipp would be up in arms and screaming bloody murder

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 559 - 08/07/2025 13:33:27    2624380

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Replying To Viking66:  "A big mess"
Wouldn't have gone to extra time the ref had the correct score. On the other hand Tipp would be up in arms and screaming bloody murder

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 559 - 08/07/2025 13:33:49    2624381

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Replying To Viking66:  "They have no grounds for a replay. A bit like us after we lost to Dublin when the momentum of the game changed with a goal given that never crossed the line, Kilkenny had plenty of other reasons why they lost. Lawlor was took on a tour of the Park and they shipped 4 goals, they didn't create much by way of goal chances themselves, management were slow to change things up when they went a man up.
At the end of the day regardless of the scoreboard reading 3 points there's no guarantee they'd of gone for points at 2 down with so little time to go, and even less of a guarantee that they would've got them."
Exactly and if a replay was granted which there is no chance of where do you stop correcting the mistakes. Does Paddy Deegan get his red which also means nothing. Does McCarthy's sending off get rescinded as his fly by caused accidental contact with Eoin Murphy but deemed intentional. However contact with the head much more serious was an accident trying to block down. This was a straight red card no matter how you dice it. A whole can of worms with lots of losers including officals. Quiet simple review this incidents as the consequences are much greater than any time lost. It is true the lines man was close but in rucks and sticks flying all over place it could be mistaken. 20 seconds would confirm. Actually the video reviewer could have the ref informed before he got over there.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3127 - 08/07/2025 14:34:29    2624398

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So scoreboard was wrong, shouldn't happen but happens all the time especially at lower levels

And the score on the scoreboard AFAIK is not the official score, the official score is the ref

The question I have is what score did the ref have? Its been reported he initially reported a Tipp 3 point win, then corrected it to 2. So did he also make a mistake? Did he record Tipps last point? And if he did on what basis did he change it at the end? Was it the fourth official who corrected him? (and if that was the case why didnt the 4th official alert the ref in real time)

Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 160 - 08/07/2025 16:29:19    2624429

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "You ever made a mistake?"
That's the usual cop out response. It was an All Ireland semi final. Mistakes should not happen, not at that level. Its that simple. There's enough people involved with these games to make sure it shouldn't happen either.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2420 - 08/07/2025 17:26:49    2624445

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I recall Kilkenny v Wexford in 1980 Leinster semifinal. (Offaly v Dublin was curtain raiser).

Kilkenny built up a big lead of ten points or more. Wexford staged a comeback and whittled the lead down to one point. However, the main scoreboard at the Nally Stand showed the sides level. The scoreboard at the Canal End had Kilkenny ahead by a point. There was great uncertainty regarding the correct score. Any chance of controversy was avoided when Kilkenny scored a goal and a point.

tommy58 (Dublin) - Posts: 171 - 08/07/2025 17:34:46    2624446

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I was in Kilkenny today with work and they do not want a replay. Hardly a mention of the scoreboard, all talking about the poor play, missed chances, poor performances, and so forth.
But sooner or later, the GAA needs to wake up and start helping our officials out.
The day of a referee bringing 4 of his pals as umpires is over. Umpires need coaching as to their positioning relative to the ball, and relative to the post, so they can make the best decision. Posts need to be higher in some grounds to help the umpire out. I would say no umpire should be doing umpire at an inter-county match unless he has been tested and his ability verified by hawk-eye. If he's not getting most of the decisions right, he's not up to it. Pay him for his day out, he deserves more than a dinner for doing umpire on All-Ireland final day. They should be paid for every inter county match they do umpire for.
The game is simply too fast for 1 referee now, he can't make an accurate decision from 70 yards away. He needs help. The linesmen need to be able to make calls when they see it better than the referee.
I think we need to bring a TMO official in to it where a referee thinks or is advised that he needs to send somebody off. Like, we can all argue the decisions and based on replays decide but the one man with a yellow and red card in his hand has to decide based on heresay of the linesman, umpires, or what he saw live. I'm not saying stop the game for 5 minutes to slow down a TMO to the nth degree but at least let the referee run to the sideline and have a quick look and decide then. He can spend minutes talking to these lads and by the time is finished everybody watching has seen it. Why not show him?
Also, for "last play" calls (e.g. Limerick 65 in 2019, Clare v Waterford in Cusack Park last year) let the referee have a look at these themselves.
I'm not calling for every decision to be reviewed, but we're now 27 years on from Jimmy Cooney in 1998 or 37 from John Denton in 1988 and not a thing has changed regarding how we support our officials despite monumental improvements in technology and its literally right beside them to help them.
Its time to grow up and start helping the man out. We'll never get better referees until we do.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1425 - 08/07/2025 17:36:21    2624448

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Replying To Yadse:  "So scoreboard was wrong, shouldn't happen but happens all the time especially at lower levels

And the score on the scoreboard AFAIK is not the official score, the official score is the ref

The question I have is what score did the ref have? Its been reported he initially reported a Tipp 3 point win, then corrected it to 2. So did he also make a mistake? Did he record Tipps last point? And if he did on what basis did he change it at the end? Was it the fourth official who corrected him? (and if that was the case why didnt the 4th official alert the ref in real time)"
One umpire signaled wide.. but the other umpire put his hand up in the air to catch the ball and the red must have tough he put his hand up because he was over the bar.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 170 - 08/07/2025 17:57:34    2624458

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