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Replying To zinny: "Great to hear that your club does everything right.
2024 there were U14H 53 Players from 28 Clubs, here is what the CB site says
The lads have trained brilliantly since March following their trials and have played many matches throughout the year, both in competition and challenge games, We have two squads which are split evenly as per competition rules, and both teams will take part in the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh tournaments which are being hosted in Waterford
So what you are saying is that out of all the 28 clubs involved every one of them follow what you do and you know that of that the kids show up for all the sessions. In addition when these challenge games and competitions are on it does not cause any disruption to the clubs and their own ability to play games. And you know that because its all tracked. 53 Players 12/13 year olds put on a pedestal above their mates or peers in their own club, then as well how many clubs then put these kids on pedestals again but putting it on social media etc. So we put all these resources into Dev squads and believe that solves the problem whereas the problem is with the clubs.
Here are a couple of snippets from Stop the Drop on why boys drop out this is 2024.
Boys feel a lack of enjoyment and coaching support. Parents of boys are much more likely to suggest that they hadn't enjoyed it, and they were disproportionately more likely (almost three times) to say that they didn't like the coaches or being coached.
Parents of boys were twice as likely to say that they had experienced too much pressure with potentially related male issues including not being picked for the first team or their sport not being sufficiently well organised.
Teenage boys often feel they are sacrificing typical teenage rites and joys, particularly when
compelled to choose between different sports. This decision can lead to the loss of friendships and, as the demands of training intensify, the chosen sport may become a source of resentment rather than pleasure. Additionally, they often face financial burdens such as out-of-pocket expenses, loss of job hours due to training and high medical bills for
sports-related injuries, responsibilities they bear alone.
That U14 squad had 7 mentors - which means that once a month one of these mentors could get to a club session to ensure that they were being organized and run correctly." We had a lad on that squad. He's a very effective hurler, plays with good intensity, usually makes the right decisions. He didn't miss any of our training sessions or matches. He only did 1 pitch session a week with the county, Saturday mornings. He really enjoyed the year, sadly he didn't make the u15 development squad this year.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Fair play to that club 3 times a week is a lot but its whats needed to improve standards" We do 3 sessions at week at U14, but equally split between hurling and football. We never mix hurling and football in one session.
So training Tuesday, match Thursday and a rising stars or practice match Sunday.
So still only getting in one training session per code every 2 weeks.
The top 4 or 5 get one training session and one game but are with development squad and shool teams.
The middle majority get one training session and two games.
The tail end get one training session and one game.
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Good Counsel played St Kierans in a first year Leinster final yesterday - got well beaten
However the worrying point for me is 12 of the starting 15 were from Kilkenny.
It possibly shows how far behind we are as a county - if we cannot get the basics right at that 10-13 age group we are always going to be on the back foot.
I've been involved in coaching from U6-U12 both hurling and camogie over last number of years. I am noticing a lot of the dual underage clubs are fairly poor at those grades. The standard of the basic skills on the vast majority of players is well below what i'd expect. However - I also notice (especially in Camogie) that the clubs who play football are much better at running and basic functional movement.
For me (and this isn't an anti football rant), we are a small dual county. Most of our clubs are rural clubs and all players play both hurling and football. Surely there is a way that our Coaching can integrate both into those important years where we teach the skills of hurling and the movement / speed of football. I don't think the current system is working - one night football / one night hurling. The most important skills of hurling cannot be learned / mastered in that timeframe." We played O'Loughlin Gaels and Eirns Own last year in U14 Hurling practice matches. Both were D1 teams with O'Loughlin Gaels the top team. We beat both ot them.
We also played Clane in football (they had a panel of about 60) we beat them aswell.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Look at some of the coaches on the squads, they would not be allowed near a senior or inter team. Some never hurled adult or underage at a serious level, if at all in some cases. Yet this is what our underage has as coaches and mentors." And you can take this up whatever way you like, but another problem we have is some of the best players I ever saw hurl for Wexford have never even taken over an underage team at their club, never mind put time into Wexford underage squads.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15794 - 14/05/2025 18:18:37
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I see Dublin beat Galway by 2-18 to 0-17 in the Leinster U20 Semi-Finals
Kilkenny beating Laois 0-10 to 1-04 at half-time in the other semi-final
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Replying To Viking66: "And you can take this up whatever way you like, but another problem we have is some of the best players I ever saw hurl for Wexford have never even taken over an underage team at their club, never mind put time into Wexford underage squads." Out of interest Viking - and the others involved in coaching on this forum, in your clubs in Wexford have ye many of your current adult hurlers involved in coaching the underage?
Our adult hurling team (Premier Intermediate) have a "code" or "unwritten rule" whatever you want to call it that every member of the panel must be involved in club affairs outside of playing. Been this way with years.
Majority of lads are in coaching roles from u8 upto minor and 2 of the older lads on the team are doing the u21s.
They won't be the manager or the selectors due to the time constraints of playing themselves but there will always be 1 or 2 of them taking the training sessions and on the sideline at a match. Alternating it amongst themselves.
We see that the younger kids and even the minors/u21s are far more responsive and committed for current players as they see them as role models in a way.
Other players are in the administrative side of the club because coaching is not for everyone I suppose. Our current captain is also club secretary!
Parents are far more in favour of it too because they know that the kids are getting coached proper because it's by lads playing the actual game!
We've probably all had the coach whose heart is 100% in the right place but never played the game nor has the knowledge how to teach the skills.
It might not work in other clubs but we see the benefits of it and if it keeps young boys playing hurling that's all that really matters
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I think we need to accept that we are a middle-of-the-road DUAL county, one that can generate great excitement if we crack the Leinster title ceiling in hurling or have a sustained period of competitiveness in football (summer of 2008 is still my favourite ever championship campaign).
We can fret that the coaching maybe not of the same standard as elsewhere, but you know what? Isn't it great to have so many kids playing the game in both codes? I drive by Naomh Eanna's pitch every day and it'd be jammo with cars on a Saturday and Sunday morning in particular and most evenings as well. Same goes with my own club and no doubt countless others. They aren't all playing just hurling or football
And we have no divine right to label ourselves as an exclusively hurling county either or lament a couple of fallen giants of the club scene and the doom and gloom that entails. Why shouldn't a good hurler from say Ballyhogue, Castletown, Kilanerin or Gusserane (traditional football powers) be given the same platform to perform at the highest level, especially when the clubs involved do seem to put a lot of hours into coaching both codes? Same goes for young footballers coming from the Alley or Rathnure (young Reddy and Furlong both played underage football for Wexford recently).
I'm as frustrated as anyone at the performances of our hurlers, but starting to accept that while we aren't at the top table, there is room for us somewhere in the GAA ecosystem, and we appear to among the market leaders in terms of catering for all. And that's something to be proud of.
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Replying To Viking66: "And you can take this up whatever way you like, but another problem we have is some of the best players I ever saw hurl for Wexford have never even taken over an underage team at their club, never mind put time into Wexford underage squads." Looking at what kk done to Laois tonight in the u20 make you realise how poor our u 20 team was going to take time to get things right.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 342 - 14/05/2025 20:58:42
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Replying To WEX98: "We played O'Loughlin Gaels and Eirns Own last year in U14 Hurling practice matches. Both were D1 teams with O'Loughlin Gaels the top team. We beat both ot them.
We also played Clane in football (they had a panel of about 60) we beat them aswell." Brilliant to hear!
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Replying To countyman2022: "Look at some of the coaches on the squads, they would not be allowed near a senior or inter team. Some never hurled adult or underage at a serious level, if at all in some cases. Yet this is what our underage has as coaches and mentors." As others have already said - not having played at a particularly high level yourself doesn't mean you can't be a good coach. And conversely, having played at a high level doesn't prevent you from being a bad coach.
But here's a thing. Imagine you're in charge yourself of recruiting coaches for County Development Squads, and you obviously want them to be the best they can be. You've a number of people in mind, but as you approach them, they all tell you things like they've also been asked to be a coach/selector with their own club's seniors, or manager of their club's minors, or something like that. Or, they've been offered a paid gig with another club. How do you convince them to take up a role with a County Development Squad instead?
This is the reality of it. Look at the overall pool of coaches in the county. First take out the ones involved with county squads at competitive level from minor upwards. Next take out all the ones who choose to coach at club level instead. The County Development Squad coaching teams have to be made up of what's left.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Look at some of the coaches on the squads, they would not be allowed near a senior or inter team. Some never hurled adult or underage at a serious level, if at all in some cases. Yet this is what our underage has as coaches and mentors." "I never knew that to be a jockey you needed to be a horse first" - Arrigo Saachi had that great one when asked back in Italy about his own lack of success as a player back in the 80s. Still holds true today.
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Replying To beano: "Listening to Cyril Farrell on the podcast earlier, and he said he'd try Jacko at wing-back as he's best at attacking the ball and being the aggressor. And I'd agree with a fella of his pedigree in the game, so this is the side I'd go with for the next two games, although don't think management will go the same.
Fanning
S.Reck
L.Ryan
E.Ryan
D.Reck
C.Molloy
Jacko
Hearne
Lawlor
Chin
ROC
McGuickan
Byrne
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Jacko playing there boosts our physical stature in defence significantly, and McGuickan's work-rate around the middle would be retained only he'd have less focus on defending. Just win ball and give it off.
John McGrath has shown there is life in 30+ forwards yet, and Foley has always been one of our neater stickmen, would sooner have him inside ahead of Dunbar and Casey. Can always be moved out the field to accommodate a tactical change too. Byrne a good foil for breaks off Mac, moving Damo out to the wing gives him more freedom to attack (his best asset in imo), if Shane is out, I'd bring Murphy back in out of the cold as he is a better out-and-out corner-back than C.Foley or Molloy if he moved in there. Eoin Ryan is possibly unheralded compared to some of the lads of a similar age in that he is used to man-marking at club level and is probably next in line for that specific duty after Shane.
Time to change it up a bit." Jacko has been tried there before. Didnt he play in an u21 AI final at wing back? Fairly sure he was tried at senior level a few times there too including that debacle in the league v Clare a few years ago. The excuses should have ran out for him a while ago. Has everything to be a top inter county player - size, strength, touch, striking, mobile. Yet cant win a ball - figure that one out! Goal keeper must be the only position McGuckian hasnt been tried at this stage. Lawlor is going that way. Fine underage player but he has been tried in nearly every position with limited success.
Give the likes of Redmond, Murphy, CBD, Molloy, Byrne, Codd a start v Offaly. They cant be any worse and might surprise us.
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Genuinely cannot believe lads reactions to the post on how poor, unstructured and lacking in quality our underage coaches are. Lads throw out a name like Mullaly or Fortune, great coaches yes. But look at the quality of what we have training underage teams, how they are being trained to train. Go have a look at a session. Coaches looking at YouTube vids and reading books before trainings. Its unacceptable. I am actually beginning to believe that some of the Co. Board dinosaurs are in on this post from reading some of the comments.
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Replying To beano: "I think we need to accept that we are a middle-of-the-road DUAL county, one that can generate great excitement if we crack the Leinster title ceiling in hurling or have a sustained period of competitiveness in football (summer of 2008 is still my favourite ever championship campaign).
We can fret that the coaching maybe not of the same standard as elsewhere, but you know what? Isn't it great to have so many kids playing the game in both codes? I drive by Naomh Eanna's pitch every day and it'd be jammo with cars on a Saturday and Sunday morning in particular and most evenings as well. Same goes with my own club and no doubt countless others. They aren't all playing just hurling or football
And we have no divine right to label ourselves as an exclusively hurling county either or lament a couple of fallen giants of the club scene and the doom and gloom that entails. Why shouldn't a good hurler from say Ballyhogue, Castletown, Kilanerin or Gusserane (traditional football powers) be given the same platform to perform at the highest level, especially when the clubs involved do seem to put a lot of hours into coaching both codes? Same goes for young footballers coming from the Alley or Rathnure (young Reddy and Furlong both played underage football for Wexford recently).
I'm as frustrated as anyone at the performances of our hurlers, but starting to accept that while we aren't at the top table, there is room for us somewhere in the GAA ecosystem, and we appear to among the market leaders in terms of catering for all. And that's something to be proud of." Great post
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Replying To Tiger1: "Looking at what kk done to Laois tonight in the u20 make you realise how poor our u 20 team was going to take time to get things right." Could look at it differently and say we beat Dublin in the group stages and now they're in a Leinster Final having beaten Galway and Offaly
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Could look at it differently and say we beat Dublin in the group stages and now they're in a Leinster Final having beaten Galway and Offaly" And we beat that exact same Dublin team in Parnell Park.
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Replying To Timbertony: "Jacko has been tried there before. Didnt he play in an u21 AI final at wing back? Fairly sure he was tried at senior level a few times there too including that debacle in the league v Clare a few years ago. The excuses should have ran out for him a while ago. Has everything to be a top inter county player - size, strength, touch, striking, mobile. Yet cant win a ball - figure that one out! Goal keeper must be the only position McGuckian hasnt been tried at this stage. Lawlor is going that way. Fine underage player but he has been tried in nearly every position with limited success.
Give the likes of Redmond, Murphy, CBD, Molloy, Byrne, Codd a start v Offaly. They cant be any worse and might surprise us." CBD can't win his own ball at Senior level yet either.
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Replying To beano: "I think we need to accept that we are a middle-of-the-road DUAL county, one that can generate great excitement if we crack the Leinster title ceiling in hurling or have a sustained period of competitiveness in football (summer of 2008 is still my favourite ever championship campaign).
We can fret that the coaching maybe not of the same standard as elsewhere, but you know what? Isn't it great to have so many kids playing the game in both codes? I drive by Naomh Eanna's pitch every day and it'd be jammo with cars on a Saturday and Sunday morning in particular and most evenings as well. Same goes with my own club and no doubt countless others. They aren't all playing just hurling or football
And we have no divine right to label ourselves as an exclusively hurling county either or lament a couple of fallen giants of the club scene and the doom and gloom that entails. Why shouldn't a good hurler from say Ballyhogue, Castletown, Kilanerin or Gusserane (traditional football powers) be given the same platform to perform at the highest level, especially when the clubs involved do seem to put a lot of hours into coaching both codes? Same goes for young footballers coming from the Alley or Rathnure (young Reddy and Furlong both played underage football for Wexford recently).
I'm as frustrated as anyone at the performances of our hurlers, but starting to accept that while we aren't at the top table, there is room for us somewhere in the GAA ecosystem, and we appear to among the market leaders in terms of catering for all. And that's something to be proud of." That's a great post Beano. Still if we improve our coaching, quality and quantity, at club level we can be a bit more successful than we are currently .
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I see Dublin beat Galway by 2-18 to 0-17 in the Leinster U20 Semi-Finals
Kilkenny beating Laois 0-10 to 1-04 at half-time in the other semi-final" Think Kilkenny were only 1 point up at the 40 minute mark
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15794 - 15/05/2025 10:53:28
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Replying To Avondhu86: "Out of interest Viking - and the others involved in coaching on this forum, in your clubs in Wexford have ye many of your current adult hurlers involved in coaching the underage?
Our adult hurling team (Premier Intermediate) have a "code" or "unwritten rule" whatever you want to call it that every member of the panel must be involved in club affairs outside of playing. Been this way with years.
Majority of lads are in coaching roles from u8 upto minor and 2 of the older lads on the team are doing the u21s.
They won't be the manager or the selectors due to the time constraints of playing themselves but there will always be 1 or 2 of them taking the training sessions and on the sideline at a match. Alternating it amongst themselves.
We see that the younger kids and even the minors/u21s are far more responsive and committed for current players as they see them as role models in a way.
Other players are in the administrative side of the club because coaching is not for everyone I suppose. Our current captain is also club secretary!
Parents are far more in favour of it too because they know that the kids are getting coached proper because it's by lads playing the actual game!
We've probably all had the coach whose heart is 100% in the right place but never played the game nor has the knowledge how to teach the skills.
It might not work in other clubs but we see the benefits of it and if it keeps young boys playing hurling that's all that really matters" In our group we have had a couple of current players who also played a bit of intercounty hurling help out with our u12s, and will again with our u14s. But we could do more to encourage current players to help out for sure. Problem is some of the other lads with intercounty experience don't live in the parish any more and are commuting long distances to play for the club at all, while others have young families.
And great credit should go to Jack Redmond, who is only trying to break onto our Senior Intercounty team yet spends the rest of his time managing Rathnures u14s. Cian Byrne also coaches down in Fethard.
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