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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Are you sure about thst? Thats a decision for the munster council afaik and im not aware of that decision being made." Yes. That's also in the Rule Book. From the rule that covers the Joe McDonagh Cup: The winner of the final shall be promoted to the Senior Hurling Championship Tier 1 and take part in the Provincial Championships in the following year. If the winner is from Munster, they shall play in the Munster Championship, and if the winner is not from Munster, they shall play in the Leinster Championship. This is on foot of a decision made at Congress three years ago. There was a time it used to amaze me how many people don't even know the basics of why things are the way they are in matters that those people argue about. But over time (and with the wisdom of ever-increasing age!), I've gotten used to it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3434 - 25/03/2026 23:15:05 2663239 Link
Replying To Goreylad1985: "Or until the Leinster counties start to grow a bit of a challenge and start reaching National finals!! Why would you bring 3 Munster counties to a venue in the east of Leinster??" Look at it this way. If there were two or three Munster counties (or Connacht counties, or Ulster counties) in either of the Football League Finals double-headers to be played in Croke Park this weekend, then those finals would still be in Croke Park. They wouldn't be fixed for another ground "down the country". Logically, "hurling people" should actually be insulted that the 1A and 1B League Finals are being played in Limerick - "how come football gets to use Croke Park, but we don't????" Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3434 - 25/03/2026 23:20:58 2663241 Link
Replying To Goreylad1985: "Ah come on now Viking! We all know if Munster had a venue of 82k capacity that last sentence would be blown out of the water! Sounds good tho ;D" It did :-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 06:26:21 2663249 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Made in 2022." Also it was made at Congress, not in Munster. Hence Tadhg2020 not hearing about it maybe? The Munster Championship is part of a National Competition. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 06:28:38 2663250 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Wexford battling for 2 places - it's going to be great!" Think 3 out of each Province with advantages if you finish 1st or 2nd, as is currently the case, suits both Championships. If both have to be a Round Robin which I dont believe is the case. The only alternative Id be interested in would be going back to straight knockout, with Galway and Antrim etc returning to their own provinces, then a 3 tier all ireland competition with promotion and relegation between tiers. The format I put up on one of your Football threads. I know alot of Galway and Antrim people I know would prefer this also. And Waterford people. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 06:36:19 2663251 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Wexford battling for 2 places - it's going to be great!" Sorry that last post should read 4 tiers for hurling. It was 3 for Football I proposed. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 06:51:12 2663253 Link
Replying To Goreylad1985: "Or until the Leinster counties start to grow a bit of a challenge and start reaching National finals!! Why would you bring 3 Munster counties to a venue in the east of Leinster??" I wasn't suggesting East of Leinster but separate locations for both finals. Once it was understood that 1A was going to be a Cork v Limerick final, it should have been made a stand alone fixture with Clare v Dublin switched to Thurles. bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 480 - 26/03/2026 08:12:46 2663258 Link
Replying To Viking66: "There were only around 8000 less at the Leinster final than the Munster final last year, which wasnt bad considering one of the counties isnt even from Leinster and many supporters there have no interest in Leinster. The 2 biggest attendances for Munster and Leinster finals over the last 10 years were both in Leinster finals." Ah yes, but you know those stats are a bit skewed because of stadium capacities.... bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 480 - 26/03/2026 08:14:33 2663259 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Made in 2022." If that is the case and it ever happens then what I have said about the effect of 6 in Bob Cup will also apply to Munster. What makes the current format great is the fairness of it. Everyone gets 2 home and 2 away games. Thats important in a short format like this. Noone can complain about fixtures being against them etc. The introduction of the 6th destroys that. Now you may have 2 home games and 3 away with one of your home games against kerry for example. That changes things a lot. Then there is the quality control issue. With all due respect to Kerry they are miles off Munster championship level even if they do win the Joe. It would be of no benefit to them or the championship. Teams would have to go out and hammer them by as much as possible because score difference could be the deciding factor in either getting to a Munster final or 3rd and 4th. Thats not a good scenario for anyone. Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 125 - 26/03/2026 09:30:32 2663268 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "I wasn't suggesting East of Leinster but separate locations for both finals. Once it was understood that 1A was going to be a Cork v Limerick final, it should have been made a stand alone fixture with Clare v Dublin switched to Thurles." I don't mind going to Limerick as want to see the main event anyway. I see the argument about the kids but the game being Easter Sunday would mean less chance of clubs bringing them anyway, We a humble folk in Dublin hurlers, We don't like to be a bother :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4111 - 26/03/2026 10:41:17 2663273 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "Ah yes, but you know those stats are a bit skewed because of stadium capacities...." Of course! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 10:50:42 2663278 Link
On scoring difference in Munster following the scenario of Kerry gaining promotion: 1. Take scoring difference out of the equation. 2 teams level on points based on head to head. More than 2 teams level on points based on mini table between those teams. 2. As Kerry realistically would be in Munster for one year - Kerry could be given all their games at home as something of a festival of hurling for the year. The other 5 and keep their 2 home and away games against each other. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9587 - 26/03/2026 11:02:54 2663280 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "On scoring difference in Munster following the scenario of Kerry gaining promotion: 1. Take scoring difference out of the equation. 2 teams level on points based on head to head. More than 2 teams level on points based on mini table between those teams. 2. As Kerry realistically would be in Munster for one year - Kerry could be given all their games at home as something of a festival of hurling for the year. The other 5 and keep their 2 home and away games against each other." Perfect ideas Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 11:12:10 2663285 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "On scoring difference in Munster following the scenario of Kerry gaining promotion: 1. Take scoring difference out of the equation. 2 teams level on points based on head to head. More than 2 teams level on points based on mini table between those teams. 2. As Kerry realistically would be in Munster for one year - Kerry could be given all their games at home as something of a festival of hurling for the year. The other 5 and keep their 2 home and away games against each other." Its already head to head if two teams level. Score difference is the next default. On Kerry having home venue, I personally wouldnt have a problem with that but I think the County Boards or the 5 counties would. There is setting precedent, sponsors and revenue to consider unfortunately. Even if score difference isnt an issue ( and I fully believe that it will. To use any other formula is presumptuous that the other counties are thinking of kerry and not their own iterest). There will still be hammering regularly. Players getting chances will look to maximise them. Cork didnt need to hammer Offaly by 6 36 to 1 20 but they did anyway. They will put more up against kerry and kerry wont get near 1 20 unfortunately. Thats just the reality. Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 125 - 26/03/2026 11:36:23 2663290 Link
Dublin getting around 2,000 tickets for Limerick. There were 2,000 Dubs in Carlow last Saturday! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4111 - 26/03/2026 12:26:39 2663305 Link
Replying To Tadhg2020: "Its already head to head if two teams level. Score difference is the next default. On Kerry having home venue, I personally wouldnt have a problem with that but I think the County Boards or the 5 counties would. There is setting precedent, sponsors and revenue to consider unfortunately. Even if score difference isnt an issue ( and I fully believe that it will. To use any other formula is presumptuous that the other counties are thinking of kerry and not their own iterest). There will still be hammering regularly. Players getting chances will look to maximise them. Cork didnt need to hammer Offaly by 6 36 to 1 20 but they did anyway. They will put more up against kerry and kerry wont get near 1 20 unfortunately. Thats just the reality." Changing from score difference to a mini table of those level would be voted on - high chance of being approved if Kerry won promotion. Giving Kerry 5 home games - the 6th placed team is going to be relegated. There isn't a fair way of giving some 3 home games when fixtures are not going to be reversed in the following year. The Munster 5 would be real chickens if they wouldn't give Kerry the joy of hosting all 5. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9587 - 26/03/2026 12:36:54 2663309 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Changing from score difference to a mini table of those level would be voted on - high chance of being approved if Kerry won promotion. Giving Kerry 5 home games - the 6th placed team is going to be relegated. There isn't a fair way of giving some 3 home games when fixtures are not going to be reversed in the following year. The Munster 5 would be real chickens if they wouldn't give Kerry the joy of hosting all 5." Im not sure about chickens tbh. They will vote in their own self interests and those of their sponsors. Im not talking about their main sponsors as such. Im more talking about all the small businesses who provide smaller amounts and stand to lose income on home game business etc. It may not be a significant matter in the context of this particular conversation but I know of one county board given an ultimatum by sponsors when home league fixtures were moved. Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 125 - 26/03/2026 14:29:25 2663339 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Changing from score difference to a mini table of those level would be voted on - high chance of being approved if Kerry won promotion. Giving Kerry 5 home games - the 6th placed team is going to be relegated. There isn't a fair way of giving some 3 home games when fixtures are not going to be reversed in the following year. The Munster 5 would be real chickens if they wouldn't give Kerry the joy of hosting all 5." I doubt they would mind really. They will of course continue to block Kerry because it would lower the standard. Which applies equally now to Leinster although apart from Galway it is all Leinster counties which is a positive. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4111 - 26/03/2026 15:15:10 2663350 Link
Replying To Tadhg2020: "Its already head to head if two teams level. Score difference is the next default. On Kerry having home venue, I personally wouldnt have a problem with that but I think the County Boards or the 5 counties would. There is setting precedent, sponsors and revenue to consider unfortunately. Even if score difference isnt an issue ( and I fully believe that it will. To use any other formula is presumptuous that the other counties are thinking of kerry and not their own iterest). There will still be hammering regularly. Players getting chances will look to maximise them. Cork didnt need to hammer Offaly by 6 36 to 1 20 but they did anyway. They will put more up against kerry and kerry wont get near 1 20 unfortunately. Thats just the reality." If Kerry get good enough to win the Joe Mac they will have reached the same standard as other Joe Mac winners, who have shown in Leinster when they target certain games they can get quite close to Liam McCarthy counties on occasion. In 2022 Westmeath targeted us and got a draw. They werent any further behind us than Clare were in the AIQF that year at the hour mark, and the team we had on the pitch in Mullingar was stronger than the team we had on the pitch in Semple Stadium. 2 years ago in 2024 Carlow drew with Kilkenny. Antrim beat us that year, and in 2024 we were in pretty good form, we beat Galway comfortably, and were robbed in Nowlan Park. Kilkenny ran Clare to 2 points in the AISF. Clare went on to win the AI. Last year Dublin beat Offaly, who had just come up out of the Joe Mac, by only 1 point more than they beat Limerick by. You drew the Munster final in normal and extra time so were one of the strongest teams in Munster last year. If Kerry do win the Joe Mac Id say they will target whoever is weakest of the Munster counties, maybe the weakest 2. They wont get hammered in every game. They will have to have a pretty decent team to win the Joe Mac in the 1st place. And a team might have an off day, or get complacent. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 15:38:12 2663354 Link
Replying To Tadhg2020: "Im not sure about chickens tbh. They will vote in their own self interests and those of their sponsors. Im not talking about their main sponsors as such. Im more talking about all the small businesses who provide smaller amounts and stand to lose income on home game business etc. It may not be a significant matter in the context of this particular conversation but I know of one county board given an ultimatum by sponsors when home league fixtures were moved." They wont lose exposure as the 5 counties will still have 2 home games as usual. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18928 - 26/03/2026 16:01:51 2663359 Link