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Replying To Viking66: "Sensible move" There will be a hour of gap between the end of the 1st game and start of the 2nd, heard that's to do with the dressing room situation.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Surprised Dylan Purcell isn't starting too unless Farrell and him are carrying knocks, we had 5 starters on the DCU freshers that got to the final and 3 of them named on the bench." Yes he is. Whelan too. Farrell isnt apparently.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "There will be a hour of gap between the end of the 1st game and start of the 2nd, heard that's to do with the dressing room situation." Yes
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12133 - 29/03/2024 14:44:50
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Replying To StoreysTash: "No!!! Stop trying to be too smart and cute in Wexford. Stop trying to be too clever, go out and win every game, finish top of the group and puff the chest out for whoever the next opponent is. "We finished top of the group, where did you finish". I can already hear the "Sure we didn't need to beat Kilkenny anyway" rhetoric at the weekend.
If our U20's have been training since before Christmas, how long do you need to get ready for a match? No other sport has a 4 month pre-season.
Our Aussie Rules team has just started back practice in the last month, and games in the next week or so. We had been doing some pre-season work before and we got an individual S&C schedule for 6 weeks before the practice started.
I think the GAA has completely lost the run of itself when it comes to the length of the season and the amount of training that is done relative to the benefit gained from that training. It suits the manager who is being paid per night, but is there science to back up the need for 4 months of training before a competitive match? I had a look back at my Strava logs, bleep tests, etc and I'm fitter now than I ever was when I was playing hurling and football with a reduced but better planned training load.
I heard an S&C person say as much as well, but if they too are on the GAA gravy train maybe they tow the line?" It is making a valid point to say thestructure is questionable. Winning the mini-league leads to a four-and a-half week break before the semi-final. It's at least week too long for optimum. No-one sets out to lose, but the structure is partly why the rehab for the likes of Eoin Whelan, Cian Doyle, and Robbie Chapman is being targeted for the business end of the championship. The semi-final, Leinster final and All-Ireland final take place within 17 days, playing a quarter final two weeks before all that might be no bad thing. It also bloods more of the panel at the highest level they'll ever have played.
As to the preparation, the spine of this panel came together at U-13, in 2017. This is their eigth season together, they knoew each other well. Dara Kehoe and Cian O Tuama, are, to the best of my knowledge the only players to have featured at county senior level, some of them played Fitzgibbon this year, but mostly freshers.
One thing to note about that is that some ofthe most talented in this panel are under age again next year- Paidi Doyle, Sean Rowley, Cillian Byrne, and Simon Roche, along with the two Duffry lads who have been battling injury. Charlie Roark, the centre back, was U-17 last year.
Tomorrow is all about performance. A win would be nice, but being competitive for the full hour against a Kilkenny team that have handed out a few drubbings to Munster teams is essential.
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Replying To wendellgee: "It is making a valid point to say thestructure is questionable. Winning the mini-league leads to a four-and a-half week break before the semi-final. It's at least week too long for optimum. No-one sets out to lose, but the structure is partly why the rehab for the likes of Eoin Whelan, Cian Doyle, and Robbie Chapman is being targeted for the business end of the championship. The semi-final, Leinster final and All-Ireland final take place within 17 days, playing a quarter final two weeks before all that might be no bad thing. It also bloods more of the panel at the highest level they'll ever have played.
As to the preparation, the spine of this panel came together at U-13, in 2017. This is their eigth season together, they knoew each other well. Dara Kehoe and Cian O Tuama, are, to the best of my knowledge the only players to have featured at county senior level, some of them played Fitzgibbon this year, but mostly freshers.
One thing to note about that is that some ofthe most talented in this panel are under age again next year- Paidi Doyle, Sean Rowley, Cillian Byrne, and Simon Roche, along with the two Duffry lads who have been battling injury. Charlie Roark, the centre back, was U-17 last year.
Tomorrow is all about performance. A win would be nice, but being competitive for the full hour against a Kilkenny team that have handed out a few drubbings to Munster teams is essential." That's a good post. Not sure if O Tuama and Kehoe have actually played in any Senior games though. O Tuama did well on Screeney for Gorey last year I thought.
Any idea why he's going with Cillian Byrne in midfield? And Simon Roche in the forwards? And Farrell did well for DCU Freshers, and when he came on against Galway in Carlow last year. Any idea why he isn't starting?
Anyway hopefully as you say we are competitive tomorrow, or you will get all the usual negative suspects cluttering this up on Saturday evening;-)
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Replying To wendellgee: "It is making a valid point to say thestructure is questionable. Winning the mini-league leads to a four-and a-half week break before the semi-final. It's at least week too long for optimum. No-one sets out to lose, but the structure is partly why the rehab for the likes of Eoin Whelan, Cian Doyle, and Robbie Chapman is being targeted for the business end of the championship. The semi-final, Leinster final and All-Ireland final take place within 17 days, playing a quarter final two weeks before all that might be no bad thing. It also bloods more of the panel at the highest level they'll ever have played.
As to the preparation, the spine of this panel came together at U-13, in 2017. This is their eigth season together, they knoew each other well. Dara Kehoe and Cian O Tuama, are, to the best of my knowledge the only players to have featured at county senior level, some of them played Fitzgibbon this year, but mostly freshers.
One thing to note about that is that some ofthe most talented in this panel are under age again next year- Paidi Doyle, Sean Rowley, Cillian Byrne, and Simon Roche, along with the two Duffry lads who have been battling injury. Charlie Roark, the centre back, was U-17 last year.
Tomorrow is all about performance. A win would be nice, but being competitive for the full hour against a Kilkenny team that have handed out a few drubbings to Munster teams is essential." Hoping Wexford all the best for the upcoming Leinster championships , I don't post often as a UK second generation Irish don't think my opinion carries much weight, can't claim knowledge on the Wexford club scene etc, but with a Wexford dad and a Tipperary mum, love hurling and think sometimes Wexford underplays it's contributions to GAA history, only 4 counties have more All Ireland Hurling titles, first county to do a 4 in a row, the greatest family in GAA history, and when Wexford are doing well it is basically better championship. And I always back Tipp in Munster, only county to win an All Ireland in every decade since the GAA started. Here is hoping to great 2024 of hurling.
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Replying To wendellgee: "It is making a valid point to say thestructure is questionable. Winning the mini-league leads to a four-and a-half week break before the semi-final. It's at least week too long for optimum. No-one sets out to lose, but the structure is partly why the rehab for the likes of Eoin Whelan, Cian Doyle, and Robbie Chapman is being targeted for the business end of the championship. The semi-final, Leinster final and All-Ireland final take place within 17 days, playing a quarter final two weeks before all that might be no bad thing. It also bloods more of the panel at the highest level they'll ever have played.
As to the preparation, the spine of this panel came together at U-13, in 2017. This is their eigth season together, they knoew each other well. Dara Kehoe and Cian O Tuama, are, to the best of my knowledge the only players to have featured at county senior level, some of them played Fitzgibbon this year, but mostly freshers.
One thing to note about that is that some ofthe most talented in this panel are under age again next year- Paidi Doyle, Sean Rowley, Cillian Byrne, and Simon Roche, along with the two Duffry lads who have been battling injury. Charlie Roark, the centre back, was U-17 last year.
Tomorrow is all about performance. A win would be nice, but being competitive for the full hour against a Kilkenny team that have handed out a few drubbings to Munster teams is essential." Don't think anyone on the panel has played Senior for Wexford in a competitive yet. Think Sean Rowley, Darragh Kehoe and Simon Roche were unused subs for Walsh Cup games. Haven't a clue if anyone on the panel featured in challenge games for the Seniors.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Don't think anyone on the panel has played Senior for Wexford in a competitive yet. Think Sean Rowley, Darragh Kehoe and Simon Roche were unused subs for Walsh Cup games. Haven't a clue if anyone on the panel featured in challenge games for the Seniors." Rowley came on for the Wexford Selection against the TOTY in Gorey I think?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12133 - 29/03/2024 17:27:29
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Don't think anyone on the panel has played Senior for Wexford in a competitive yet. Think Sean Rowley, Darragh Kehoe and Simon Roche were unused subs for Walsh Cup games. Haven't a clue if anyone on the panel featured in challenge games for the Seniors." Simon Roche and Luke Murphy also came on. Daragh Kehoe and Cian O Tuama both started for the TOTY and Daragh Farrell came on for them.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12133 - 29/03/2024 17:31:56
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Replying To Viking66: "Simon Roche and Luke Murphy also came on. Daragh Kehoe and Cian O Tuama both started for the TOTY and Daragh Farrell came on for them." Ah fair enough, gave Gorey a miss that day with the rain, your made of tougher stuff than myself :)
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 29/03/2024 19:27:37
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I wouldnt be overly worried about numbers on the programme. They mean nothing for the last 20 years. Players are so fluid now. The goalie is the only person playing in the proper position.Looking foward to the match i think despite some doom and gloom here there will be a big performance, recent history backs up my point. Kk were all ireland champions last year and wexford bet them twice home and away. Theres absolutely no reason why wexford cant do the same this year.im impressed with the backroom team involved with the u20.
kk people will tell you their underage has being completely neglected. Id expect a good match. Its on clubber for anyone not able to go. Hopefully the weather picks up its being terrible.
I just see the u19 result. I know its only a development thing but its a good idea.i didnt see the team but im presuming its a very young team.Im suprised to see that margin
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Just a heads up tickets for Corrigan Park are selling fast. Stand and West Terrace 1 are already sold out.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12133 - 30/03/2024 08:38:54
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "I wouldnt be overly worried about numbers on the programme. They mean nothing for the last 20 years. Players are so fluid now. The goalie is the only person playing in the proper position.Looking foward to the match i think despite some doom and gloom here there will be a big performance, recent history backs up my point. Kk were all ireland champions last year and wexford bet them twice home and away. Theres absolutely no reason why wexford cant do the same this year.im impressed with the backroom team involved with the u20.
kk people will tell you their underage has being completely neglected. Id expect a good match. Its on clubber for anyone not able to go. Hopefully the weather picks up its being terrible.
I just see the u19 result. I know its only a development thing but its a good idea.i didnt see the team but im presuming its a very young team.Im suprised to see that margin" It's hard for anyone to definitively know but the sense I get is that we put out a properly developmental side in that i.e Pretty much no-one on the U19 team is also a member of the U20 panel. I'm guessing Kilkenny and Offaly are using members of the U20 extended panel and maybe a few of the (likely unused) subs in their U19 games. This is just speculation on my part though
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Replying To Viking66: "Just a heads up tickets for Corrigan Park are selling fast. Stand and West Terrace 1 are already sold out." My dad brother and cousin got tickets for the stand a few of us are going up on my stag. But only got terrace tickets. Was never in the place my dad was up the day we drew in covid times says it's a small place
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Replying To Wexfordgaa: "My dad brother and cousin got tickets for the stand a few of us are going up on my stag. But only got terrace tickets. Was never in the place my dad was up the day we drew in covid times says it's a small place" Two big losses to kilkenny over the weekend. Worrying and hopefully, this trend will not continue.
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That was sobering although in defence of the players, regardless of whether they under-performed on the day or else that's their level, they were thrown to the wolves tactically-speaking
You'd have to ask serious questions of the management team after that
Why didn't we push up on their puck-outs in the first half when we had the wind?
Why did we not start working the ball short in the first half when their backs were cleaning us out in terms of winning primary possession?
If we weren't pushing up on them, why were our full-back line so exposed?
And I try to avoid over-exaggeration but I don't think I've ever seen a worse display off a team's own puck-out than ours today, we lost 90%+ of every puck-out that went long and we started butchering puck-outs that went short
I don't want to pick on any hurlers in particular but if Eoin Whelan were to come back, you could have him at full-back and then shift Kehoe to corner-back in place of Asple, could bring in Doyle when back fit for Parker (Or else could start Farrell who offers genuine size to a team that were physically dominated today)
That said, that Kilkenny team were hugely impressive, they will take some beating, very good both at going short and going long, and some of their lads would make fully-grown senior intercounty hurlers look small
To be fair, Seán Rowley and Cillian Byrne hurled well and Jordan Molloy was bright when he came on, Charlie Roark made some mistakes but as someone who's not 18 until July, he did well enough
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "That was sobering although in defence of the players, regardless of whether they under-performed on the day or else that's their level, they were thrown to the wolves tactically-speaking
You'd have to ask serious questions of the management team after that
Why didn't we push up on their puck-outs in the first half when we had the wind?
Why did we not start working the ball short in the first half when their backs were cleaning us out in terms of winning primary possession?
If we weren't pushing up on them, why were our full-back line so exposed?
And I try to avoid over-exaggeration but I don't think I've ever seen a worse display off a team's own puck-out than ours today, we lost 90%+ of every puck-out that went long and we started butchering puck-outs that went short
I don't want to pick on any hurlers in particular but if Eoin Whelan were to come back, you could have him at full-back and then shift Kehoe to corner-back in place of Asple, could bring in Doyle when back fit for Parker (Or else could start Farrell who offers genuine size to a team that were physically dominated today)
That said, that Kilkenny team were hugely impressive, they will take some beating, very good both at going short and going long, and some of their lads would make fully-grown senior intercounty hurlers look small
To be fair, Seán Rowley and Cillian Byrne hurled well and Jordan Molloy was bright when he came on, Charlie Roark made some mistakes but as someone who's not 18 until July, he did well enough" I agree, questions need to be asked if the management here. From a spectators point of view there didn't seem to be any direction or assistance given towards players throughout the game. The defense were left isolated for the majority of the game - huge credit to Darragh Kehoe in particular, he was one of the best on the field along with Rowley and Byrne. There also seemed to be a lack of leadership on the field too and by the end of the game players looked to be disinterested. Hopefully the team get back on track and injured players like Purcell and Whelan come back into the squad sooner rather than later as they are a huge loss. This Wexford squad has huge potential with the right set up.
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Replying To gaafan68: "I agree, questions need to be asked if the management here. From a spectators point of view there didn't seem to be any direction or assistance given towards players throughout the game. The defense were left isolated for the majority of the game - huge credit to Darragh Kehoe in particular, he was one of the best on the field along with Rowley and Byrne. There also seemed to be a lack of leadership on the field too and by the end of the game players looked to be disinterested. Hopefully the team get back on track and injured players like Purcell and Whelan come back into the squad sooner rather than later as they are a huge loss. This Wexford squad has huge potential with the right set up." Was a lovely day for hurling and a nice drive up. Went downhill after the 1st quarter though. Very disappointed with the set up. Haven't seen a team set up 15 on 15 with 3 inside in alot of years. We took up our own space up front, and left acres of it for them at the back. Individually some of the lads did very well, while others didn't work hard enough closing down the Kilkenny backs coming out with the ball. In addition to Rowley and Byrne I thought Moran was good, Farrell looked good when he came on, Whelan and O Tuama were solid at the back. Rourke looked OK for a lad just out of minor too.
If it had been me I'd of had Farrell 11, and Roche 2. If Whelan is fit for the knockouts I'd put Roche or O Tuama wing back. Maybe select someone else in midfield instead of Byrne, play Byrne at 13, and let him rove as a 3rd midfielder as he did today. And tell the 2 Murphys to get busier off the ball, make runs out to make themselves available, and close down the opposition short puckouts. Set up something like modern Senior intercounty teams do. That way there'd be less space in our half for the opposition, and we'd retain shorter puckouts better. We need to play faster low ball inside also, and have lads inside who are fast enough to get out in front.
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Replying To gaafan68: "I agree, questions need to be asked if the management here. From a spectators point of view there didn't seem to be any direction or assistance given towards players throughout the game. The defense were left isolated for the majority of the game - huge credit to Darragh Kehoe in particular, he was one of the best on the field along with Rowley and Byrne. There also seemed to be a lack of leadership on the field too and by the end of the game players looked to be disinterested. Hopefully the team get back on track and injured players like Purcell and Whelan come back into the squad sooner rather than later as they are a huge loss. This Wexford squad has huge potential with the right set up." Was a lovely day for hurling and a nice drive up. Went downhill after the 1st quarter though. Very disappointed with the set up. Haven't seen a team set up 15 on 15 with 3 inside in alot of years. We took up our own space up front, and left acres of it for them at the back. Individually some of the lads did very well, while others didn't work hard enough closing down the Kilkenny backs coming out with the ball. In addition to Rowley and Byrne I thought Moran was good, Farrell looked good when he came on, Whelan and O Tuama were solid at the back. Rourke looked OK for a lad just out of minor too.
If it had been me I'd of had Farrell 11, and Roche 2. If Whelan is fit for the knockouts I'd put Roche or O Tuama wing back. Maybe select someone else in midfield instead of Byrne, play Byrne at 13, and let him rove as a 3rd midfielder as he did today. And tell the 2 Murphys to get busier off the ball, make runs out to make themselves available, and close down the opposition short puckouts. Set up something like modern Senior intercounty teams do. That way there'd be less space in our half for the opposition, and we'd retain shorter puckouts better. We need to play faster low ball inside also, and have lads inside who are fast enough to get out in front.
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Replying To gaafan68: "I agree, questions need to be asked if the management here. From a spectators point of view there didn't seem to be any direction or assistance given towards players throughout the game. The defense were left isolated for the majority of the game - huge credit to Darragh Kehoe in particular, he was one of the best on the field along with Rowley and Byrne. There also seemed to be a lack of leadership on the field too and by the end of the game players looked to be disinterested. Hopefully the team get back on track and injured players like Purcell and Whelan come back into the squad sooner rather than later as they are a huge loss. This Wexford squad has huge potential with the right set up." There are five or maybe six players with huge potential but probably a bit of a tail on the squad too and there are a few who because of attitude more than likely won't play senior.
A bad day at the office for sure and we were bettered all over the pitch.
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